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Message no. 1
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: [GridSec] RE: Time to reign everything in.
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:21:33 -0800
> In any case, on almost all lists discussion of the
> administration of the
> list *is* on topic.
>
> And peoples views on discussing the existence of planned SR books is
> also surely on-topic on a SR list. As is the release schedule, do
> 'veterans' come across as elitist to newbies, and everything
> else apart
> from personal invective that has been posted so far. And even the
> invective has been fairly mild by many internet standards...
>
> Obviously, the debate may get more heated, but just slamming
> the door on
> it is precisely the attitude the 'The List Admin are an
> elitist clique'
> group are saying exists.

This view is always going to be around, no matter the actions of the
Admin. If it's let run, people complain. If it's cut short, people
complain. No win either way, as far as being Admin/gridsec.

So Babs joined the list last week. All that new person see is a bunch of
people hollering at each other about politics that have nothing to do
with the rules in the books, or the novels, or what might be coming out
in the future. First impression of that person of the list? Same
impression the people who are hollering themselves blue. The argument
will continue, and nothing will change.

It's with a view of what the newer list members will think that we am
most concerned with, if we have to state whose side we are on. These
people present a valuable lifeblood for the list, and list politics are
the quickest thing to cause someone to leave. (Or if they actually do
stay, it just creates a bigger us or them camp. Again, no win either
way, this time for anyone)

A 24 hour warning to take it private is fair enough warning to parties
involved to make their final statements and take it to private.
Message no. 2
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: [GridSec] RE: Time to reign everything in.
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:43:00 -0800
Great dragon dunkie, could my grammer have been any worse.

(Could someone out there please tell me off list how to turn the
spellcheck for MS outlook on? (office 2k version))

...It's almost comforting to think that in the iconographic age of SR,
people's spelling and grammar has prolly gotten worse.....
Message no. 3
From: Adam J adamj@*********.com
Subject: [GridSec] RE: Time to reign everything in.
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:29:50 -0600
At 11:21 01/11/2000 -0800, Dvixen wrote:
>
>This view is always going to be around, no matter the actions of the
>Admin. If it's let run, people complain. If it's cut short, people
>complain. No win either way, as far as being Admin/gridsec.

...

>A 24 hour warning to take it private is fair enough warning to parties
>involved to make their final statements and take it to private.

And, let's be honest - there's not a lot new being said. Some people have
said what they intended to very well though, with a great amount of
politeness and relevancy; thank you.

A few people say "I think the Admins shouldn't be freelancers!" - and no
solid reason has been given why.

A few people say "I think some of the freelancers are far too teasy!" - And
some people, including myself, have agreed.

A few people say "There isn't a lot of Shadowrun discussion anymore!" - and
that's true of almost every online forum about SR, because there just
hasn't been a lot to discuss lately. Also, other forums, most notable
Dumpshock have taken away some of the immediacy that RN used to have. I
think it's generally faster to get a quick rules related question answered
on DSF than it is on RN. I also think RN is a much better atmosphere for
discussing "major" things, due to the nature of email over the web. But I'm
a geek - for a lot of people, the web is "where it's at".

Adam
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