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From: Neal A Porter <nap@*****.PHYSICS.SWIN.OZ.AU>
Subject: re : Grounding and sustained and quickened
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 11:59:54 +1000
>Nice try at logic. First I've seen lately....However, influencing someone
>else's genetic talents should be at least a Resisted test if not outright
>impossible.

Now then, impossiable is a bit of a strong word, hasn't FASA and their
evolving plot gotten such terms out of our minds yet. I mean if you just
looked at the main rule book before the Grim was released wouldn't you
have said that something like achoring was impossiable?? Not to mention
some of the charecters in SR, ie --H-- and Ehran. As to the resisted test
how about having the incomming spell have to fight the existing sustained/
quickened spell. That would encourage those PCs to place higher force
levels on their spells.

>Can I from the astral cause you to be momentarily blind just
>from force of will? Noper... Since grounding a spell through the nature
>of a non-living (astrally but not physically) entity as a lock or focus
>requires at least an opposed test, giving astral mages (et al) carte
>blanche to "reverse" someone else's control of mana is a bit unbelievable
>- even laughable. Is this related to munchkinism, but... *grin* REVERSED?
>(ok, it was a pun, so?)

Not reverse, or even control, simply use the existing channel of power
as a guide for the grounding spell. As to munchkinism Blwaaaap to you, (
approximation of a rasberry over the net).


>They must be centered on character when cast, but not 'placed' on him
>permanently. Take for instance the Grimoire example for how to Quicken.
>Rikki Ratboy cast a Stink spell inside the tavern. He had to center it on
>some "poor slob" whose Wil was a 6.

But as you have pointed out this was an area effect spell, surely on
some spells, such as personal combat sense, there must be some connection
between the player and the spell, and as the spell is mainly an astral
entity, then there must be a connection to astral space. Wether you can
ground through this is the $64 question.

> physical world, take a reflex inhancement spell, in this case whats to
> stop a hostile astral force grounding extra power through that link?

>The fact that an astral link isn't need for grounding. It is a duality of
>nature that certain links have.

True, its that dual nature that lets you ground the spell, but as I've
mentioned above doesn't that astral connect provide that duality. Also
as an aside in responce to another of your posts, you commented that
you couldn't ground through an astrally percieving mage, surly such
a mage counts as a dual creature, with both an astral and physical form,
hence forfilling your own duality requirment for grounding.

>For instance, there is an astral link
>from a thesis (or cell sample, etc) which can be used in ritual sorcery.
>But you can't take a look at a thesis and use the link to ground out a
>spell. So more must exist, ie a dual nature of physical/astral along with
>an astral link. As the Grimoire says, the spell affects the astral
>portion, and grounds out through the physical. Since the spell Increase
>Reflexes is mana, it hasn't got a Physical portion.

But its having a physical effect, it is connected to the player. And as
such shouldn't it have that duality effect??

>I prefer to mix them in. BTW, you needn't quote your post within my own
>if you respond.

It does seem to work better doesn't it.

>Ciao. *grin* {Pardon????.. Sorry but us downunderreings (Ozzies) have
problems with soem of the phrasing you Yanks use)

>Brian

A'Deus.

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