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From:	Arne Rassek <rassek@******.COM>
Subject:	Grounding sorry, wrong name*
Date:	Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:36:54 +0100

Message no. 1 >: You can't at all because you need an area-effect spell for grounding
>: (otherwise you would only attack the focus itself..)
>
>Not true - a grounded spell hits the person that is in possession of
>the focus if it is a single-target spell.

OK, it was shortly before going home yesterday, so I didn't take the time to
explain; my fault, I fear.
Here it is:
By the book this is right, of course. But is doesn't make much sense:
A spell works by going from the astral plane into the target's aura and a
single-target spell only affects this target.
The targfet in this case is the focus, because this is the oly link existing.
So why should by any means in this case a single target spell work against
multiple targets?
On the other hand: By rules it must be a physical spell.
DOesn't make too much sense, either: Maybe I have it wrong, but if not, a
spell in astral space is a "kind of lifeform" so the channel opened by the
spell ni the focus should be suited for Mana-spells..

Sorry, wrong sender'S name above; I forgot to chnage the settings.

From:	Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject:	Re: Grounding sorry, wrong name*
Date:	Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:02:57 GMT

Message no. 2 Arne Rassek (rassek@******.COM) wrote:
: >Not true - a grounded spell hits the person that is in possession of
: >the focus if it is a single-targespell.
: OK, it was shortly before going home yesterday, so I didn't take the time to
: explain; my fault, I fear.

Doesn't matter - no harm done. By the way: Does your Email address
mean that you work at FanPro and have some connections to the guys
doing the translations of the SR Sourcebooks ?

: Here it is:
: By the book this is right, of course. But is doesn't make much sense:
: A spell works by going from the astral plane into the target's aura and a
: single-target spell only affects this target.
: The targfet in this case is the focus, because this is the oly link existing.
: So why should by any means in this case a single target spell work against
: multiple targets?

It does not. The spell is targeted at the person in possession of the
focus, NOT the focus itself. The focus "by virtue of its nature" just
creates a pathway between the planes that can be abused for the
purpose of grounding a spell through with brute force... but this does
not mean you target the focus - you just use it for grounding... the
destruction of the focus magical abilities is more a side-effect that
happens as a consequence of abusing it in this way.

A "real-world" example would be driving to another city using a
special road - you would say you drive to that other city, definitely
not "I am driving to that road". Unfortunately you are using an
extremely heavy, nasty tank that destroys the road while using
it... but you need to take this vehice because nothing else would be
capable of crashing through all those barricades ... *grin*

: On the other hand: By rules it must be a physical spell.
: DOesn't make too much sense, either: Maybe I have it wrong, but if not, a
: spell in astral space is a "kind of lifeform" so the channel opened by the
: spell ni the focus should be suited for Mana-spells..

I don't understand exactly why it has to be a physical spell - maybe
because it is this:

Astral - Focus (magical part) - Focus (merely physical part) - Target

route and a Mana spell would simply not be able to pass the merely
physical part of the focus, but that's just an idea I have...

: Sorry, wrong sender'S name above; I forgot to chnage the settings.

It's o.k. - it was just me. ;-)

Later,
Georg

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From:	John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Grounding sorry, wrong name*
Date:	Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:18:02 EST

Message no. 3 On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:36:54 +0100 Arne Rassek <rassek@******.COM>
writes:
<snip earlier>
>OK, it was shortly before going home yesterday, so I didn't take the
>time to
>explain; my fault, I fear.
>Here it is:
>By the book this is right, of course. But is doesn't make much sense:
>A spell works by going from the astral plane into the target's aura
>and a
>single-target spell only affects this target.
>The targfet in this case is the focus, because this is the oly link
>existing.
>So why should by any means in this case a single target spell work
>against
>multiple targets?
>On the other hand: By rules it must be a physical spell.
>DOesn't make too much sense, either: Maybe I have it wrong, but if
>not, a
>spell in astral space is a "kind of lifeform" so the channel opened by
>the
>spell ni the focus should be suited for Mana-spells..
>
>Sorry, wrong sender'S name above; I forgot to chnage the settings.
>
Now, I don't have the book on me right now, but I believe the way it
works is that to ground into a focus you need a spell. To get any effect
you have to over come the focus (the bonding). To hit anyone else, like
the mage/shaman/whatever carrying the item, you HAVE to use an
area-effect spell. A single target will only hit the focus, because it
doesn't spread out on the astral (secondary effects are another thing:),
so a single target spell will only disable the focus. An area-effect
spell arcs out on the astral to all auras within the area of effect, a
single target spell does not. A mana spell is all that is required to
disable the focus, if grounded into a focus, then the mage will need to
re-bond the focus. A physical spell, on the other hand, will destroy the
physical component of the focus, and, since there is no longer a link
into the physical world, will thus disperse the enchantment and bonding.

John Pederson "God is dead"
lobo1@****.com -Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 to
1900)
I don't know where my home page is! "Nietzsche is dead"
Only dead fish swim with the stream -God (everlasting to everlasting)

From:	Guido HÃ¶lker <guido@******.COM>
Subject:	Re: Grounding sorry, wrong name*
Date:	Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:18:01 +0100

Message no. 4 >Doesn't matter - no harm done. By the way: Does your Email address
>mean that you work at FanPro and have some connections to the guys
>doing the translations of the SR Sourcebooks ?
Yup.

(I'm still thinling about your answer to the lock/grounding-stuff, will come
back to this later.)

From:	Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject:	Re: Grounding sorry, wrong name*
Date:	Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:24:23 GMT

Message no. 5 Guido Hölker (guido@******.COM) wrote:
: >Doesn't matter - no harm done. By the way: Does your Email address
: >mean that you work at FanPro and have some connections to the guys
: >doing the translations of the SR Sourcebooks ?
: Yup.

Ah. So you can maybe tell me why the translation of so many
sourcebooks is so bad ? Was it intended to create a new RPG or was it
just due to some people not paying enough attention ?
(no offense intended - I'd like a serious answer)

: (I'm still thinling about your answer to the lock/grounding-stuff, will come
: back to this later.)

Sure - I'll be here. ;-)

Later,
Georg

--
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "The Clan's are marching 'gainst the law - |
| bagpipers play the tunes of war - death or glory I will find - |
| rebellion on my mind" |
| Grave Digger - "Rebellion" |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Georg Greve greve@*******.Hanse.DE |
| Tel.: +49-40-23809080 greve@*******.uni-hamburg.de |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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