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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (James Zealey)
Subject: Gun bunnies rejoice (X2)
Date: Sun Feb 11 17:45:01 2001
Ok, Kinda replying to two threads (both gun
bunnies though)

First of all there is the whole "guns fire/can't
fire underwater" thing.
I found a website thats useful for guns in
general...

http://www.vcircles.com/groups/Firearm/faq/one?faq_id•;

(This and other sites were all found on a google
search for "firearms underwater")

Secondly there is the "Submarines can be detected
using heat trails"

>> and here was a thing I
>>thought up and asked back when I was in Naval
Nuclear
>>Training. But the instructors I asked promptly
shut me
>>up when I pointed it out to them. The best way
to find
>>a Nuclear Sub when you suspect one in the area
is to
>>pay attention to the water tempature... cause
it uses
>>Seawater to cool the steam in the condensor.
thus it
>>heats the seawater. all you gotta do is find
that nice
>>warm water.

>Works in shallow still water, or if the boat's
>very near the surface. But it's very
>short-ranged and subject to a lot of error and
>misindications. To be honest, if the boat's
>shallow enough to leave an appreciable thermal
>scar, it's probably _visible_ as a dark shadow
>anyway...

For a number of years in the late 80's I
believe(I'm sure about the ban and the reason,
just not the date), infrared satelite pictures
were classified by the US because they showed up
the trails of heated water left by nuclear subs.


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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Paul J. Adam)
Subject: Gun bunnies rejoice (X2)
Date: Mon Feb 12 09:55:01 2001
In article <1850133616005D11EA420005B87A5027@*******.UncleBear.zzn.com>,
James Zealey <incubus@*********.zzn.com> writes
>For a number of years in the late 80's I
>believe(I'm sure about the ban and the reason,
>just not the date), infrared satelite pictures
>were classified by the US because they showed up
>the trails of heated water left by nuclear subs.

I'd heard it was to suppress the simple fact of how good the resolution
(both in pixel size and in sensitivity) of IR imagery had become.

Recall that someone went to jail around that time, for leaking a
satellite photograph (of a half-built Russian aircraft carrier, in the
Nikolayev yard in the Crimea) to Jane's.


--
Paul J. Adam

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