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Message no. 1
From: BRYAN KENNEDY REED <KUCLOAK@*******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Guns and Sucesses.
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 06:43:13 CET
>
> > Just one more thing to consider...If the defender gets more sucesses
> > out of his combat pool than the attacker has total then the shot is a
> > clean miss. I have a phys ad character who survives firefights by
> > being hard to hit. Remeber in second edition, even trolls are not
> > bulletproof.
> >
> Ah, ha! That's one thing that I thought was true with SR2, but didn't
> see anything said about. That makes the example a little weird then,
> doesn't it? If you get more successes FROM AND ONLY FROM YOUR COMBAT
> POOL than the attacker has, THEN it's a clean miss, right? By George, I
> Think I've got it!
>
> ---
> The Reverend
> "He told me of his strange foundation..."
>
> Cthulhu in '92! Why vote for the lesser evil?
> Looking for Alt.Cyberpunk.Chatsubo archives...e-mail if u have info!

The Combat Pool can be a very usefull addition to your ability to keep
yourself alive. Take this example.

Theseus (ork street sam) and myself (Jake, physical adept) are being
shot at by a few disagreeable gents who are armed to the teeth.
Theseus takes the first burst:

Thug 1 gets three sucesses with an HK 227 on burst fire (making it a
10S attack from 7M). Theseus gets four sucesses (three body, one
combat pool; target number 5 [armor jacket]). Theseus takes a serious
wound since he does not get enough sucesses more than the thug to stage it
down.

Now it's my turn (happy, happy, joy, joy):

Thug 2 also gets three sucesses with an identical weapon (again making
it a 10S attack.) I get four sucesses, but all from my combat pool.
Since I get more sucesses than the thug just from my combat pool, it
is a clean miss.

This shows how powerful the combat pool can be. This example is based
on a actual encounter (though I have changed it a bit to make it more
clear.) We had two guys each shooting at us. Theseus' two take him
down. Mine miss completely. (Of course my GM decides that the some
guys on the roof then get to shoot at me since the first guys missed,
since I did so well. But then again, my GM gives even the lowliest
cops and corp security at least wired one and puts us up against 27
street sams (we would have been dead if we didn't have the rigger's
autocannon which the GM didn't know we had.))
--

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Invincibility depends on one's self; kucloak@*****.cc.ukans.edu
The enemy's vulnerability on him. bkreed@*****.cc.ukans.edu
--Sun Tzu Bryan Kennedy Reed
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Message no. 2
From: "P. Steele" <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Guns and Sucesses
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 17:22:39 GMT
[...deleted lots of stuff about how good combat pools are...]

Can someone fill me in on combat pools please as I haven't seen the S2 rules
but they do sound quite useful. If anyone has converted the idea to S1 I'd be
intrested to hear as well.

This does also fix a point which has been bugging me for a while.

Everyone gets dodge and defense pools, deckers get decking pools, riggers get
control pools, magicians get astral and magic pools. What do poor street sams
and physical adepts get ?????

- The Powerhouse
Message no. 3
From: "J. Earl Williams" <IH46@****.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Guns and Sucesses
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 12:07:43 MST
> [...deleted lots of stuff about how good combat pools are...]
>
> Can someone fill me in on combat pools please as I haven't seen the S2 rules
> but they do sound quite useful. If anyone has converted the idea to S1 I'd be
> intrested to hear as well.
Take int, quickness, and willpower. Add together, divide by 2. Voila.
(Remember, though, that there is no more dodge pool!)
>
> Everyone gets dodge and defense pools, deckers get decking pools, riggers get
> control pools, magicians get astral and magic pools. What do poor street sams
> and physical adepts get ?????
Under SR1? GREAT body and dodge pools.
Under SR2? Combat pool from hell (and Combat pools can be used
defensively OR offensively!)

---
J. Earl Williams
Up the Brotherhood!

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