| From: | Gurth <gurth@******.NL> |
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| Subject: | Gurth vs. Eve on gender in PBEMs (was: Re: POLL--PLEASE REPLY) |
| Date: | Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:05:06 +0200 |
I don't feel embarrased, I don't see why I should.
>I dount very much you would have said "what are you boys going to do?"
>because that would have been just as silly a thing to say.
Well, maybe I wouldn't have said it, that doesn't mean that if I had, you
_wouldn't_ have been offended. Oh, and I only said "you girls" once, not all
of the time...
>Different angles of the same case? Why did we just coincidentally have to
>be all-female? Get that female perspective? See how the silly girls handle
>it so that the studs can come in and save them?
You must be thinking of me as some women-hater or something. What do you
want me to say? Why I grouped three female characters together in one group,
I thought it was a nice idea at the time. It might not have been politically
correct or whatever (you won't find me caring about that anyway), but it
looked interesting to me. There was absolutely no idea behind it of "women
are weak, let's put them in a group so the male runners can save them." As a
matter of fact, you were probably more capable of handling yourself than the
"studs" (as you want to call them) in the same PBEM. Because of the very
slow response times in the group you were in, you just weren't able to find
that out...
>In Shadowrun, males and females are supposed to be pretty equal. They do the
>same jobs, etc. You shouldn't be surprised if the boss of a megacorp is
>male, female, or whatever. How would it be if you'd made divided the white
>characters and the Hispanic characters into separate groups?
I don't. I try very hard to mix up genders, skin colors, and races all the
time. As I said in an earlier post, sometimes the result is that it all gets
lop-sided exactly the other way than it is in RL.
> It just smacked so much of similar "neanderthalic" games I've
>been in in the past that I was suspicious.
IMHO it's probably that idea in the back of your head that got you to see
that PBEM the way you do. I never, repeat: never, had any intention of
making it even seem the way you perceived it to be.
*self-analysing mode on* Maybe it's my trying to treat men and women equally
that turns it all upside-down...
>However, I hope that it's also made you
>aware of how that impression came across, so that in the future you might
>be able to avoid such problems.
You already had done that. If I had been aware of your previous experiences
(problems?) with playing female characters, I wouldn't have set up that game
the way I did. If you want to give it another shot, I'm game...
>You should know a character as "Nightblade the Samurai" not "that chick
>with the spurs who kills people". I think calling attention to gender in
>any extreme way, setting apart or classing people by their gender, etc,
>detracts from the unique feel of Shadowrun.
Exactly my idea.
>And that's not why I left the game anyway. I left because no one else was
>doing any turns.
I know. You were about the only one who responded regularly...
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