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Message no. 1
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:59:31 -0500
Is it still FASA's plan that the hardcover SR3 will only be available at
Gencon? If so, would someone who is going agree to pick one up for
me if I send you a check?

Double-Domed Mike
--who misses his SR1 hardbacks...
Message no. 2
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:11:21 -0500
>
> Is it still FASA's plan that the hardcover SR3 will only be available at
> Gencon? If so, would someone who is going agree to pick one up for
> me if I send you a check?
>
I hate to say it, but if anybody is willing to do this, count me in
for one as well. (More stuff!).


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Message no. 3
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:20:42 -0400
At 03:59 PM 6/30/98 -0500, Mike Elkins wrote these timeless words:
>Is it still FASA's plan that the hardcover SR3 will only be available at
>Gencon? If so, would someone who is going agree to pick one up for
>me if I send you a check?
>
Ummm, no clue, actually... I'll ask Mike Thursday and let you guys know
next wee...

<Bull sighs and grabs a notebook and starts jotting stuff down>

Bull
Message no. 4
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:26:28 -0700
>I hate to say it, but if anybody is willing to do this, count me in
>for one as well. (More stuff!).

I would like to be third on that list of people liking a hard cover.

What I heard from two local stores here was that if they order like 30
of the soft cover they will get 1 hard cover. Neither of them are going
to do that. So I thought I was stuck, but I would gladly send
nuyen.....I mean money if someone would pick me up a copy.

Otter
Message no. 5
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:41:49 +0100
At 30-Jun-98 wrote Bull:

>At 03:59 PM 6/30/98 -0500, Mike Elkins wrote these timeless words:
>>Is it still FASA's plan that the hardcover SR3 will only be available at
>>Gencon? If so, would someone who is going agree to pick one up for
>>me if I send you a check?
>>
>Ummm, no clue, actually... I'll ask Mike Thursday and let you guys know
>next wee...

Yep and handsigned please :)
hmmm with a second thought ... why not maybe we can work something out.
Actually I would like such book <bg>

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Message no. 6
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:50:22 EDT
In a message dated 98-06-30 16:12:06 EDT, you write:

> > Is it still FASA's plan that the hardcover SR3 will only be available at
> > Gencon? If so, would someone who is going agree to pick one up for
> > me if I send you a check?
> >
> I hate to say it, but if anybody is willing to do this, count me in
> for one as well. (More stuff!).

I always prefer hardcovers to softbacks...
Message no. 7
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:11:26 PDT
>Is it still FASA's plan that the hardcover SR3 will only be available
at
>Gencon? If so, would someone who is going agree to pick one up for
>me if I send you a check?
>
>Double-Domed Mike
>--who misses his SR1 hardbacks...
>

I'd be willing to handle this - find out the price of the book and
the shipping (I'dbe willing to work on this also) and send me a check /
money order made to FASA and stamps for the shippng, and I'll do it.
Did you order a t-shirt, and (how) are you having it shipped? If you
did, both could be shipped / payed for together (if Kieth / Ereskanti
helps).
In your situation, I'd also consider taking this request directly to
FASAmrktg@***.com (?) or FASAcorp@***.com.

-Mongoose- (landsquid@*******.com / evamarie@**********.net)

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Message no. 8
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:10:48 EDT
In a message dated 7/7/98 3:12:27 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
landsquid@*******.COM writes:

> I'd be willing to handle this - find out the price of the book and
> the shipping (I'dbe willing to work on this also) and send me a check /
> money order made to FASA and stamps for the shippng, and I'll do it.
> Did you order a t-shirt, and (how) are you having it shipped? If you
> did, both could be shipped / payed for together (if Kieth / Ereskanti
> helps).
> In your situation, I'd also consider taking this request directly to
> FASAmrktg@***.com (?) or FASAcorp@***.com.
>
that is actually the information that I am looking for. Some of the guys from
overseas have started asking me to do this. Anyone get this information,
because I do need to know.

How many books of SR3 can a single person purchase at Gencon, assuming they
have the financial backing of no fewer than 20 people..???

-K
Message no. 9
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:13:00 -0500
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:10:48 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 7/7/98 3:12:27 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>landsquid@*******.COM writes:
>> I'd be willing to handle this - find out the price of the book
and
>> the shipping (I'dbe willing to work on this also) and send me a check
/
>> money order made to FASA and stamps for the shippng, and I'll do it.
>> Did you order a t-shirt, and (how) are you having it shipped? If you
>> did, both could be shipped / payed for together (if Kieth / Ereskanti
>> helps).
>> In your situation, I'd also consider taking this request directly
to
>> FASAmrktg@***.com (?) or FASAcorp@***.com.

>that is actually the information that I am looking for. Some of the
guys from
>overseas have started asking me to do this. Anyone get this
information,
>because I do need to know.
>
>How many books of SR3 can a single person purchase at Gencon, assuming
they
>have the financial backing of no fewer than 20 people..???
>
>-K

LOL! FASA's Marketing/Distribution department should hire you .... Maybe
we'll start seeing posts from FASAEreskanti@***.com after Gencon?

*Boggles at the thought of FASA making $500+ dollars in one sale* "I hope
they have shopping carts or dollies at Gencon ..."

BTW, anybody know what sales tax would be?

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 10
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:31:46 EDT
In a message dated 7/7/98 5:16:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time, dghost@****.COM
writes:

> LOL! FASA's Marketing/Distribution department should hire you .... Maybe
> we'll start seeing posts from FASAEreskanti@***.com after Gencon?
>
> *Boggles at the thought of FASA making $500+ dollars in one sale* "I hope
> they have shopping carts or dollies at Gencon ..."
>
> BTW, anybody know what sales tax would be?
>
IIRC, it'll be about 6.2 percent, which is higher than we have in Indiana (the
good ol' 5% we've had for over 15 years now).

-K
Message no. 11
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:32:34 EDT
In a message dated 7/7/98 5:16:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time, dghost@****.COM
writes:

> LOL! FASA's Marketing/Distribution department should hire you .... Maybe
> we'll start seeing posts from FASAEreskanti@***.com after Gencon?
>
I doubt it, they'd be afraid of me. Besides, I've already got an AOL Account,
no one would notice the difference :)

-K
Message no. 12
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:16:40 -0400
At 06:31 PM 7/7/98 EDT, K is the Symbol wrote these timeless words:

>> BTW, anybody know what sales tax would be?
>>
>IIRC, it'll be about 6.2 percent, which is higher than we have in Indiana
(the
>good ol' 5% we've had for over 15 years now).
>
No sales tax at the Con... At least not at the Companies Booths...

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Message no. 13
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:21:23 -0400
Once upon a time, Alfredo B Alves wrote;

>BTW, anybody know what sales tax would be?

I haven't attended a big game con in a while but typically the game
company will sell the new books with no tax. Since the books aren't going
through the wholesalers and retailers and getting all those mark ups, the
companies can pay the proper taxes out of that increase in revenue.
Technically for tax purposes this means that they sell the book at x
amount less % tax plus tax to keep the records straight. (Stores can't
pay your tax for you so they have to do it this way).

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Message no. 14
From: Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:38:54 -0500
At 06:31 PM 7/7/98 EDT, K is the Symbol wrote:
# In a message dated 7/7/98 5:16:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM
# writes:
#
# >
# IIRC, it'll be about 6.2 percent, which is higher than we have in Indiana
(the
# good ol' 5% we've had for over 15 years now).

unless of course you eat in Indianpolis, where it's 6%.
;)
to pay for the HoosierDome

yes, I know, it;s been the RCA dome for years now

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Message no. 15
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:54:15 -0500
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:31:46 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 7/7/98 5:16:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM
>writes:
<SNIP>
>> BTW, anybody know what sales tax would be?

>IIRC, it'll be about 6.2 percent, which is higher than we have in
Indiana (the
>good ol' 5% we've had for over 15 years now).
>
>-K

Lucky Bastard ... It's 8.25% here in Texas :/

D.Ghost (Everything's bigger in Texas ... if the sales tax... ;)
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Message no. 16
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:41:59 -0500
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:16:40 -0400 Bull <chaos@*****.COM> writes:
>At 06:31 PM 7/7/98 EDT, K is the Symbol wrote these timeless words:
>
>>> BTW, anybody know what sales tax would be?

>>IIRC, it'll be about 6.2 percent, which is higher than we have in
Indiana
>>(the good ol' 5% we've had for over 15 years now).

>No sales tax at the Con... At least not at the Companies Booths...
>
>Bull
<SNIP Sig>

Woohoo! Now we just have to find out how many books they'll let you walk
away with ... :)

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Message no. 17
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:06:27 EDT
In a message dated 7/7/98 7:32:49 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
justin@******.NET writes:

> # IIRC, it'll be about 6.2 percent, which is higher than we have in Indiana
> (the
> # good ol' 5% we've had for over 15 years now).
>
> unless of course you eat in Indianpolis, where it's 6%.
> ;)
> to pay for the HoosierDome
>
> yes, I know, it;s been the RCA dome for years now
>
Well yeah, but that is why I don't live in Indianapolis itself...

-K
Message no. 18
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:05:50 +0100
Bull said on 19:16/7 Jul 98,...

> >IIRC, it'll be about 6.2 percent, which is higher than we have in Indiana
> (the
> >good ol' 5% we've had for over 15 years now).
> >
> No sales tax at the Con... At least not at the Companies Booths...

Let me get this straight... it might be important tfor me to find
this out now rather than in a month's time... all prices in the US
are without tax, which you need to add to the cost? Say if I buy
some stuff for what the price tag says is a dollar, I need to
actually pay $1.05 (or whatever the tax percentage is)?

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Message no. 19
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:30:39 EDT
In a message dated 08/07/98 04:22:30 Central Daylight Time, gurth@******.NL
writes:

> Let me get this straight... it might be important tfor me to find
> this out now rather than in a month's time... all prices in the US
> are without tax, which you need to add to the cost? Say if I buy
> some stuff for what the price tag says is a dollar, I need to
> actually pay $1.05 (or whatever the tax percentage is)?

In most cases, that is the safest assumption, Gurth... in the cases its not
true, you get a pleasant surprise.

Nexx, one of those goddamned backward Americans...
Message no. 20
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:01:39 -0500
>
> Bull said on 19:16/7 Jul 98,...
>
> > >IIRC, it'll be about 6.2 percent, which is higher than we have in Indiana
> > (the
> > >good ol' 5% we've had for over 15 years now).
> > >
> > No sales tax at the Con... At least not at the Companies Booths...
>
> Let me get this straight... it might be important tfor me to find
> this out now rather than in a month's time... all prices in the US
> are without tax, which you need to add to the cost? Say if I buy
> some stuff for what the price tag says is a dollar, I need to
> actually pay $1.05 (or whatever the tax percentage is)?
>
In general yes. And the tax varies somewhat based on where you live.
(Usually somewhere between 5-8% it seems). Some things are sold without
tax, (some groceries I believe), but most aren't.
This gets to be very very annoying when you look at tax on high end stuff.
But hey isn't America wonderful! :)


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Message no. 21
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:19:26 +0100
And verily, did Gurth hastily scribble thusly...
|Let me get this straight... it might be important tfor me to find
|this out now rather than in a month's time... all prices in the US
|are without tax, which you need to add to the cost? Say if I buy
|some stuff for what the price tag says is a dollar, I need to
|actually pay $1.05 (or whatever the tax percentage is)?

I think it works something like that.
Foolish and stupid if you ask me.
What's WRONG with V.A.T.? Makes things simpler for the customer after all.

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Message no. 22
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:20:44 +0100
And verily, did Lehlan Decker hastily scribble thusly...
|In general yes. And the tax varies somewhat based on where you live.
|(Usually somewhere between 5-8% it seems). Some things are sold without
|tax, (some groceries I believe), but most aren't.
|This gets to be very very annoying when you look at tax on high end stuff.
|But hey isn't America wonderful! :)

Errrrr.

Nope.
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Message no. 23
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:44:33 -0700
> Let me get this straight... it might be important tfor me to find
> this out now rather than in a month's time... all prices in the US
> are without tax, which you need to add to the cost? Say if I buy
> some stuff for what the price tag says is a dollar, I need to
> actually pay $1.05 (or whatever the tax percentage is)?

Yup..Something like that..but then there are some stuff that is
non-taxable..but that changes from state to state..usually food from
a grocery store..but some of it is and other isn't..and when you buy
gas..the price at the pump [it is sold or rather priced by the US
gallon] is the price you pay at the counter..
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Message no. 24
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:54:59 -0400
Once upon a time, GRANITE wrote;

>> Let me get this straight... it might be important tfor me to find
>> this out now rather than in a month's time... all prices in the US
>> are without tax, which you need to add to the cost? Say if I buy
>> some stuff for what the price tag says is a dollar, I need to
>> actually pay $1.05 (or whatever the tax percentage is)?
>
>Yup..Something like that..but then there are some stuff that is
>non-taxable..but that changes from state to state..usually food from
>a grocery store..but some of it is and other isn't..and when you buy
>gas..the price at the pump [it is sold or rather priced by the US
>gallon] is the price you pay at the counter..

Gas is pretaxed. Spirits here are pretaxed. Food only recently
stopped being taxed here. Of course prepared food still bears a heavy tax
since the construction of our colusiem. Before all this everything was
flat taxed. Hell, Spirits are more heavily taxed for clubs and such than
regular consumers. You just get used to it.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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Message no. 25
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:23:09 +0100
Spike said on 15:19/8 Jul 98,...

> I think it works something like that.

I've been told it does.

> Foolish and stupid if you ask me.
> What's WRONG with V.A.T.? Makes things simpler for the customer after all.

I don't think the problem is with what kind of tax it is (or how
you call it), but it seems to me that it's a lot easier for the
customer to put the prices _including_ tax on the price tags, like
us sensible Europeans do :)

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Message no. 26
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:48:25 -0400
Once upon a time, Gurth wrote;

>I don't think the problem is with what kind of tax it is (or how
>you call it), but it seems to me that it's a lot easier for the
>customer to put the prices _including_ tax on the price tags, like
>us sensible Europeans do :)

50 states, 50 state taxes. Then some cities impose additional taxes.
Companies can't adjust for that much difference in local taxes.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
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Message no. 27
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:39:46 -0400
At 03:48 PM 7/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Once upon a time, Gurth wrote;
>
>>I don't think the problem is with what kind of tax it is (or how
>>you call it), but it seems to me that it's a lot easier for the
>>customer to put the prices _including_ tax on the price tags, like
>>us sensible Europeans do :)
>
> 50 states, 50 state taxes. Then some cities impose additional taxes.
>Companies can't adjust for that much difference in local taxes.

Don't forget many counties also add taxes. I'd be glad to have a measly 5%
sales tax. Here in SoCal it's something 9.5%. Or 9.25% or whatever. It's
fairly significant when you are talking about purchasing a car or a stereo
system or such.

But you adjust to it eventually. I heard some congresscritters talking
about VAT a few years back, but it got shut down real fast. Don't recall
really why, but I think the propoganda would be that it would actually cost
consumers more.

Erik J.

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Message no. 28
From: ArcLight <ArcLight@**************.COM>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:11:49 +0200
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
An: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Datum: Mittwoch, 8. Juli 1998 22:55
Betreff: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon


>Don't forget many counties also add taxes. I'd be glad to have a measly 5%
>sales tax. Here in SoCal it's something 9.5%. Or 9.25% or whatever. It's
>fairly significant when you are talking about purchasing a car or a stereo
>system or such.


Sorry, couldn't resist: 16% in general and 7% for food and books...

who can get even?


BTW, what that wrong with "euro", MC23?

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Message no. 29
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:58 +0100
And verily, did Erik Jameson hastily scribble thusly...
|Don't forget many counties also add taxes. I'd be glad to have a measly 5%
|sales tax. Here in SoCal it's something 9.5%. Or 9.25% or whatever. It's
|fairly significant when you are talking about purchasing a car or a stereo
|system or such.

Wimp. Over here, V.A.T is at 17.5%

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Message no. 30
From: Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:38:35 -0500
At 08:23 PM 7/8/98 +0100, Gurth wrote:
# Spike said on 15:19/8 Jul 98,...
#
# I don't think the problem is with what kind of tax it is (or how
# you call it), but it seems to me that it's a lot easier for the
# customer to put the prices _including_ tax on the price tags, like
# us sensible Europeans do :)
and australians!

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Message no. 31
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:42:21 +0100
In article <3.0.3.16.19980708131037.22ef80be@****.fbiz.com>, Erik
Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes
>At 03:48 PM 7/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Once upon a time, Gurth wrote;
>>
>Don't forget many counties also add taxes. I'd be glad to have a measly 5%
>sales tax. Here in SoCal it's something 9.5%. Or 9.25% or whatever. It's
>fairly significant when you are talking about purchasing a car or a stereo
>system or such.

9 or 9.25 <boggle>

We pay 17.5 here in the UK. VAT, value added tax, the single most
fragging irritating damn tax in the world. Especially when the add it
to things that don't bloody need it. Anything that's considered a
luxury gets taxed with VAT, and that now includes utilities like
electricity and gas. 5-9%, Jeez that would be sweet compared to what
we pay now.

>But you adjust to it eventually. I heard some congresscritters talking
>about VAT a few years back, but it got shut down real fast. Don't recall
>really why, but I think the propoganda would be that it would actually cost
>consumers more.

Check out the UK VAT settings and regulations and you might understand
why Congress swept it under the carpet.


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Message no. 32
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:37:42 +0000
and thus did Spike speak on 8 Jul 98 at 22:27:

> Wimp. Over here, V.A.T is at 17.5%

Since that's ment to be the standard European VAT for luxury goods,
that's no suprise. You forgot to mention though that there's also a
lower rate of something around 6%.
Problem is that hardly anything falls into this lower rate...


Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 33
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:04:41 +0100
And verily, did Martin Steffens hastily scribble thusly...
|
|and thus did Spike speak on 8 Jul 98 at 22:27:
|
|> Wimp. Over here, V.A.T is at 17.5%
|
|Since that's ment to be the standard European VAT for luxury goods,
|that's no suprise. You forgot to mention though that there's also a
|lower rate of something around 6%.
|Problem is that hardly anything falls into this lower rate...

And the only things that're exempt at the moment are food (uncooked),
books, and newspapers....

*sigh*

Oh, and Childrens clothing. Adult clothing is a luxury obviously.
(And no, I'm not going to go out in the nude, so that when they arrest me I
can say "I can't afford luxuries.....")

:)
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Message no. 34
From: Sommers <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:58:59 -0400
At 08:23 PM 7/8/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Spike said on 15:19/8 Jul 98,...
>
>> I think it works something like that.
>
>I've been told it does.
>
>> Foolish and stupid if you ask me.
>> What's WRONG with V.A.T.? Makes things simpler for the customer after all.
>
>I don't think the problem is with what kind of tax it is (or how
>you call it), but it seems to me that it's a lot easier for the
>customer to put the prices _including_ tax on the price tags, like
>us sensible Europeans do :)

One of the reasons that the tax is not put on the price tag is because it
then becomes invisible. If I pay 100 bucks for a stereo and then 6 for tax,
I know that the tax is 6% and can appreciate it (or go vote those goddamn
people uot of office...sorry). If I pay 110 dor a stereo and that has a 10%
tax included, I might know that the rate was raised to 10%, or I might
think that the stereo costs more. Its a theoretical balance on taxing people.

To bring it back on topic, what about taxes in 2058? Specifically, you go
buy said stereo at the Renraku Arcology. That is most definitely Renraku
crop turf, and therefore under their laws including taxes! So does that
mean that they charge the same base cost for a product, but don't tack on
the tax, and therefore its cheaper? Do they mark it up and collect taxes
themselves? Collect the taxes and generously donate them to the city? Or
does the poor schmuck pay import duties as soon as he steps out of the
arcology?

>--
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Message no. 35
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:13:50 -0300
At 23:11 08/07/98 +0200, you wrote:
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
>An: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
>Datum: Mittwoch, 8. Juli 1998 22:55
>Betreff: Re: Hardcover SR3 & Gencon
>
>
>>Don't forget many counties also add taxes. I'd be glad to have a measly=
5%
>>sales tax. Here in SoCal it's something 9.5%. Or 9.25% or whatever. =
It's
>>fairly significant when you are talking about purchasing a car or a stereo
>>system or such.
>
>
>Sorry, couldn't resist: 16% in general and 7% for food and books...
>
>who can get even?
>

Here in Brasil, if you buy something from other countries, you can get
a wild range of taxes on your product... Cd's and video tapes get 60%, while
things with an ISBN get 0%...

Bira

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