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Message no. 1
From: "Jackson, Hank" <Hank.Jackson@*********.COM>
Subject: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:44:24 -0400
Hello all,

Twice on this list I have read that Harlequin killed Dunkelzahn. I have
not bought Portfolio of a Dragon, but I have looked through it and do
not recall any mention of this. Where does this idea come from?

Galen
Message no. 2
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:35:32 -0400
At 08:44 AM 9/29/97 -0400, Jackson, Hank wrote these timeless words:
>Hello all,
>
>Twice on this list I have read that Harlequin killed Dunkelzahn. I have
>not bought Portfolio of a Dragon, but I have looked through it and do
>not recall any mention of this. Where does this idea come from?
>
The fevered Imagination of someone's particular game, I believe...

Harley was one of the early favorites as a Suspect, but since seems to have
been cleared of these charges. This is due mostly because of two short
stories written by Tom Dowd. I can't think of the names off hand...

One is about 5 or 6 years old, and in it Dunky and Harley have a
disagreement, and in the end, Harley says "It'll be a shame when we have to
kill him", referring to D. It was included in a Promotional Flyer of some
sort, and the text of it can be found on Paolo's website.

However, there is a new story on FASA's web page that has a conversation
between a disguised Harley and Ehran. Both deny killing D, and I tend to
believe them. After all, IE are reknown for being sneaky and manipulative.
Nuking someone in public isn't really their style.

My money is on either the Bugs, Aztech, or possibly even Ares (But maybe
not...:)).

Bull
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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:32:10 +0100
Jackson, Hank said on 8:44/29 Sep 97...

> Twice on this list I have read that Harlequin killed Dunkelzahn. I have
> not bought Portfolio of a Dragon, but I have looked through it and do
> not recall any mention of this. Where does this idea come from?

This is really only supported by one source that I know of: a short story
by Tom Dowd (you should be able to find it on the web, and it's also in
one of the later NAGEEs). In it, Dunkelahn visits Harley and Jane Foster,
and when he leaves again H says to Jane something along the lines of
"it'll be a shame when we have to kill him."

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Message no. 4
From: RUE <rue@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:30:19 +0200
> My money is on either the Bugs, Aztech, or possibly even Ares (But maybe
> not...:)).

After reading the 1st couple of chapters of Stranger Souls I'd say it was
the Azzies...

so long,
RUE

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Message no. 5
From: 96sp080 <96sp080@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:02:34 -0700
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Bull wrote:

>
> My money is on either the Bugs, Aztech, or possibly even Ares (But maybe
> not...:)).
>

really? I tend to think that he did it himself <faked his own death>...
or didn't fake his own death and killed him self because he saw it was
neccesary.

Mike
Message no. 6
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 07:23:50 -0700
Spoilers for anything related to Dunkelzahn

















> > My money is on either the Bugs, Aztech, or possibly even Ares (But maybe
not...:)).

> After reading the 1st couple of chapters of Stranger Souls I'd say it was the
Azzies...

..And if you read Mel Odom's _Headhunters_ you might think it was
Fuchi..

Gotta love it when *everybody* wants to take credit for the crime!


-M
Message no. 7
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:23:43 -0400
At 01:02 PM 9/29/97 -0700, 96sp080 wrote these timeless words:
>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Bull wrote:
>
>>
>> My money is on either the Bugs, Aztech, or possibly even Ares (But maybe
>> not...:)).
>>
>
>really? I tend to think that he did it himself <faked his own death>...
>or didn't fake his own death and killed him self because he saw it was
>neccesary.
>
I really doubt this is the case, mostly based on my assesion of Mike
Mulvhill. Mike doesn;t like "Cop Outs", the cheap and lame explanation,
which unless they did something incredibly cool with D in the future, this
would be. Mike doesn;t like the IE for the same reason. They're a quick
and easy fix and explanation for pretty much everything.

This is also why I think the assasin for Dunky will be someone we're not
expecting, rather than the Azzies or The Bugs (Or Harley). It makes for
yet another twist, and brings another player into the field. Anyone for
the Atlantean Foundation or the Illuminates of the Dawn? :]

I really think Dunky is dead, and I think it was a smart move for FASA.
Keeps us on our toes and guessing. :]

Bull
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Message no. 8
From: Drizzt Do'Urden <icingdeath@*********.CA>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:23:03 -0400
At 11:35 AM 9/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 08:44 AM 9/29/97 -0400, Jackson, Hank wrote these timeless words:
>>Hello all,
>>
>>Twice on this list I have read that Harlequin killed Dunkelzahn. I have
>>not bought Portfolio of a Dragon, but I have looked through it and do
>>not recall any mention of this. Where does this idea come from?
>>

Spoilers for Post Mortum, Stranger soul and some of portfolio of a dragon































Ok, First of all, one thing for sure Harlequin didnt killed Dunkie, as you
can read in Post Mortum Ehran and Harlequin are discussing about The death
of the dragon and Both denied that they killed him, and they are in front
of a body ((Maybe Dunkie but i wouldnt bet money on that)) and they don't
know anyone who might have done it, So i take it that the IE didnt do it,
Now For Nadja Daviar, anyone who read Stranger soul will know that she
didnt killed the dragon, so what i've we left now? I have few theory on
that, i don't believe is dead for 1, I read portfolio and there's too many
thing that make me believe is not dead.... but if he's dead 1 of my best
theory is that Dunky killed himself to put is power into the dragonheart,
Look it that what, Dunkie receive a phone call from Ryan Telling him that
the azzie's found a Locus ((A very very big power focus IMO)) Then dunkie
leave the party at once.... 2 min later is limo explose? ok why he couldnt
Fake that effect? why nobody else was killed? why the driver wasnt found?
well simple he protected the by-stander's and just took the driver
somewhere else ((normally i think that nadja daviar should have been with
him? why she wasnt them... he didnt want to kill her)) the fact that he
departed in surprise i don't believe someone could have expected him to
leave that early... he was suposed to be there for another 1/2 hour I
think.... it's just too weird IMO but the same scheme can apply if he's
still alive just removed the fact about the Dragon heart. Another option i
see that the azzie could have done a bridge for 1 horror to past for a
short period of time... like to let Verjigom the hunter of great dragon to
poke trhough and kill big "d" that would explain the "vortex" in the
astral....

Another thing that surprised me... the last thing in is will... after the
Dragon heart... He leave an armor and Excalibur to the last Knight of the
Crying Spire, wich is Harlequin... When -H- speak with ehran.. he say that
he's still looking for excalibur... Big hint here!! the 3rd Harlequin
Advanture?!?! I HOPE SO!!!!!!!!

Drizzt
Message no. 9
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:07:43 GMT
Bull Write

[doing in Dunk]
> >really? I tend to think that he did it himself <faked his own death>...
> >or didn't fake his own death and killed him self because he saw it was
> >neccesary.
> >
> I really doubt this is the case, mostly based on my assesion of Mike
> Mulvhill. Mike doesn;t like "Cop Outs", the cheap and lame explanation,
> which unless they did something incredibly cool with D in the future, this
> would be. Mike doesn;t like the IE for the same reason. They're a quick
> and easy fix and explanation for pretty much everything.
>
> This is also why I think the assasin for Dunky will be someone we're not
> expecting, rather than the Azzies or The Bugs (Or Harley). It makes for
> yet another twist, and brings another player into the field. Anyone for
> the Atlantean Foundation or the Illuminates of the Dawn? :]
>
> I really think Dunky is dead, and I think it was a smart move for FASA.
> Keeps us on our toes and guessing. :]
>
It would seem logical.

It is a bit of a cop out if Dunk isn't dead unless he faked it as
part of his master plan to stop the Horrors, wreck the IE's plans and
muck up one or two other rather nasty ideas.

Dunk never did break out the secrets so its doubtfull Harlequin would
have had cause despite Wyrm Talk, and the new story involving
Harlequin and Ehran about seals they believe he's actually dead and
don't know who did it. [i may say some poor folks in Stranger Souls
would have benefited massively from a quick chat with Harlequin and a
trip to the Site of the Ghost dance with a certain item, but it
wouldn't be half as much fun if they knew the easy solution to that
problem, does that mean Dunk actually forgot something like pointing
them at Harlequin ?]

The Azzies and the horror conspiracy are just so obviously Dunk enemy
number 1 that i don't think so.

According to threats (ok its not siad plainly only in fiction) The
Atlantean foundation involves immortal evlven influence (not that
99.9% of members have a clue) so i don't thinks so, again the IE are
too obvious.

The Illuminates are a possiblity, but so are many more, no evidence,
might get somewhere once we have all the 'Dunklezhan' novels and have
all the hints we are geting for now.

Mark
Message no. 10
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:25:51 -0400
At 04:07 PM 9/30/97 GMT, Mark Steedman wrote these timeless words:
>Bull Write
>
>> I really think Dunky is dead, and I think it was a smart move for FASA.
>> Keeps us on our toes and guessing. :]
>>
>It would seem logical.
>
Believe it or not, I -CAN- utilize logic when I want to...:]

>It is a bit of a cop out if Dunk isn't dead unless he faked it as
>part of his master plan to stop the Horrors, wreck the IE's plans and
>muck up one or two other rather nasty ideas.
>
Agreed. It would make for mroe Dunky paranoid Theories and Conpiricies,
but...

>Dunk never did break out the secrets so its doubtfull Harlequin would
>have had cause despite Wyrm Talk, and the new story involving
>Harlequin and Ehran about seals they believe he's actually dead and
>don't know who did it. [i may say some poor folks in Stranger Souls
>would have benefited massively from a quick chat with Harlequin and a
>trip to the Site of the Ghost dance with a certain item, but it
>wouldn't be half as much fun if they knew the easy solution to that
>problem, does that mean Dunk actually forgot something like pointing
>them at Harlequin ?]
>
C'mon, you know Dunky liked his secret plots to well to EVER do that...:]

>The Azzies and the horror conspiracy are just so obviously Dunk enemy
>number 1 that i don't think so.
>
Agreed...:]

>According to threats (ok its not siad plainly only in fiction) The
>Atlantean foundation involves immortal evlven influence (not that
>99.9% of members have a clue) so i don't thinks so, again the IE are
>too obvious.
>
>The Illuminates are a possiblity, but so are many more, no evidence,
>might get somewhere once we have all the 'Dunklezhan' novels and have
>all the hints we are geting for now.
>
Who knows on either of these... I mainly just pointed them out as possible
suspects because there _IS_ a chance they could have done it, and they
really haven't been pointed at yet...;]

Hmmm... here's a thought... It's been an awfully long time since Alamos
20K or Humanis has gotten involved in the storyline to any great extent,
and tehy'd both REALLY hate having a Dragon as President.

Bull
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Message no. 11
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:53:05 GMT
Bull writes

> At 04:07 PM 9/30/97 GMT, Mark Steedman wrote these timeless words:
> Believe it or not, I -CAN- utilize logic when I want to...:]
>
Now i wonder what gave me that strange idea :)

> >It is a bit of a cop out if Dunk isn't dead unless he faked it as
> >part of his master plan to stop the Horrors, wreck the IE's plans and
> >muck up one or two other rather nasty ideas.
> >
> Agreed. It would make for more Dunky paranoid Theories and
> Conpiricies, but...
>
> >Dunk never did break out the secrets so its doubtfull Harlequin would
> >have had cause despite Wyrm Talk, and the new story involving
> >Harlequin and Ehran about seals they believe he's actually dead and
> >don't know who did it. [i may say some poor folks in Stranger Souls
> >would have benefited massively from a quick chat with Harlequin and a
> >trip to the Site of the Ghost dance with a certain item, but it
> >wouldn't be half as much fun if they knew the easy solution to that
> >problem, does that mean Dunk actually forgot something like pointing
> >them at Harlequin ?]
> >
> C'mon, you know Dunky liked his secret plots to well to EVER do that...:]
>
Well you may have the point, but he could have just left a note like,
'if all else fails ask Ania for some help off her friend involving
visiting the Bridge' but yes Dunk might have felt it below him to use
an elf even Harlequin even against the horrors. The other answers of
course are
1) Dunks not dead and is ensuring things work from behind the scenes.
2) Dunk tipped off Harlequin or Harlequin found out and he's keeping
an eye on things but will only interfer if all other methods fail
because its an exposure risk and his ego says thayla and what he did
before is enough.

> Who knows on either of these... I mainly just pointed them out as possible
> suspects because there _IS_ a chance they could have done it, and they
> really haven't been pointed at yet...;]
>
Yep.

> Hmmm... here's a thought... It's been an awfully long time since Alamos
> 20K or Humanis has gotten involved in the storyline to any great extent,
> and tehy'd both REALLY hate having a Dragon as President.
>
i have my own ideas on this :)

My players made some requests about investigating so i have written
up some stuff about 1 thread which might or might not have done it,
and well my version has a lot of fingers in the pie :). No i'm not
explaing here, take too long and it's rather secret.

Mark
Message no. 12
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:13:55 -0400
In a message dated 97-09-30 12:26:09 EDT, icingdeath@*********.CA writes:

> >>Twice on this list I have read that Harlequin killed Dunkelzahn. I have
> >>not bought Portfolio of a Dragon, but I have looked through it and do
> >>not recall any mention of this. Where does this idea come from?
> >>
>
> Spoilers for Post Mortum, Stranger soul and some of portfolio of a dragon
>
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but Harley isn't the one. He thought it,
but he's not the gun guy. No "Nth" number sniper on the grassy knole for
this arrangement. And I think we all know, especially Jak, where much of
this is leading as yet.
-K
Message no. 13
From: Jak Koke <jkoke@******.UOREGON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:44:43 -0700
>Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but Harley isn't the one. He thought it,
>but he's not the gun guy. No "Nth" number sniper on the grassy knole for
>this arrangement. And I think we all know, especially Jak, where much of
>this is leading as yet.

Well, since I do know where it's going, I can say that Harlequin does come
into the story before the end. How, why and in what capacity he is involved
I can't say as yet.

Apropos... Clockwork Asylum is out in stores! I hope you all enjoy it.

Best,

--Jak

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Message no. 14
From: Mike Bobroff <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Harlequin vs Dunkelzahn
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:57:14 -0400
In a message dated 97-10-03 00:46:01 EDT, you write:

> Well, since I do know where it's going, I can say that Harlequin does come
> into the story before the end. How, why and in what capacity he is
involved
> I can't say as yet.
>
> Apropos... Clockwork Asylum is out in stores! I hope you all enjoy it.
>
> Best,
>
> --Jak

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italo-american voice, "How much for the goods chummer ?" (hehe)

Thanks for the information, is this also supposedly where someone comes into
play and kicks the snot out of Darkke also. Rumor has it that Mulvilhill
(sic ?) has no love for the horro-line and wanted someone around to be able
to kick Darkke's insecure behind.

Mike
<<<[Beating the bad guys is the easy part, staying alive afterwards is the
problem. You never did consider that they also had friends too, ya know.]>>>

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