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Message no. 1
From: Mark A Sawko <sawk6112@****.GMI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Harlequin (Was: Belief)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 18:17:14 EST
> Well, after looking all through Harlequins Back and Harlequin I'm dammed if
> I can find the quote to see just what context it's in. But I'm positive it's
> in there (someone else mentioned it too, so I don't think I'm crazy - unless
> they're having the same halucinations I am). But I do sorta remember that it
> was to do with something normal magicians couldn't do, but Harlequin could
> because of his differring world view.
>
> --
> Damion Milliken University of Wollongong E-mail: adm82@***.edu.au

Well, it just so happens that I'm sitting in the computer lab at school and I have HB with
me. :) On p. 19 of HB it says:
"... and having been raised and taught magic in a different age, his view of the
metaplanes is different from the modern (circa 2055) view. Many of the principles are the
same, but the questor does not simply move from Place to Place until he or she finally
reaches the Citadel. Harlequin's metaphysical understanding of things is much less linear
than that, and it is his view that matters. (Yes, this does mean that a character's world
view shapes how magic works for him in the Shadowrun universe.)"
So, no you're not halucinating, feel better? :)

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Message no. 2
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Harlequin (Was: Belief)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:18:23 +1100
Mark A Sawko writes:

> On p. 19 of HB it says: "... and having been raised and taught magic in a
> different age, his view of the metaplanes is different from the modern
> (circa 2055) view. Many of the principles are the same, but the questor
> does not simply move from Place to Place until he or she finally reaches the
> Citadel. Harlequin's metaphysical understanding of things is much less
> linear than that, and it is his view that matters. (Yes, this does mean
> that a character's world view shapes how magic works for him in the
> Shadowrun universe.)" So, no you're not halucinating, feel better? :)

Glad to hear I'm not going crazy (yet). The point in question wasn't quite
as major as I originally thought it to be. More like the Hermetic/Shamanic
difference.

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Damion Milliken University of Wollongong E-mail: adm82@***.edu.au

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Message no. 3
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Harlequin (Was: Belief)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:25:31 +0100
> Well, it just so happens that I'm sitting in the computer lab at school and I have HB
with me. :) On p. 19 of HB it says:

> "... and having been raised and taught magic in a different age, his view of the
metaplanes is different from the modern (circa 2055) view. Many of the principles are the
same, but the questor does not simply move from Place to Place until he or she finally
reaches the Citadel. Harlequin's metaphysical understanding of things is much less linear
than that, and it is his view that matters. (Yes, this does mean that a character's world
view shapes how magic works for him in the Shadowrun universe.)"

YES!!! STRIKE !!! Thanx a bunch Mark :)
So what do you have to say about this, you cant get any more explicit
than that now can you ? :)

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Message no. 4
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: Harlequin (Was: Belief)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 00:25:11 +1100
Jani Fikouras wrote:

>> Well, it just so happens that I'm sitting in the computer lab at school and
>> I have HB with me. :) On p. 19 of HB it says:
>> "... and having been raised and taught magic in a different age, his view
>> of the metaplanes is different from the modern (circa 2055) view. Many of
>> the principles are the same, but the questor does not simply move from Place
>> to Place until he or she finally reaches the Citadel. Harlequin's
>> metaphysical understanding of things is much less linear than that, and
>> it is his view that matters. (Yes, this does mean that a character's world
>> view shapes how magic works for him in the Shadowrun universe.)"

> YES!!! STRIKE !!! Thanx a bunch Mark :)
> So what do you have to say about this, you cant get any more explicit
> than that now can you ? :)

I think a more sensible interpretation would be to say that Harlequin
is so familiar with the metaplanes that he can find his way around
them very easily compared to a normal Initiate.

Like, his view has a map. An aerial view. :-)

And it's being phrased like this to draw an extra cloak of mystique
and power around Harlequin. Since part of your power and magic comes
from within, and part comes from how other people see you - just like
in real life.

I still think you'll cause yourself trouble if you interpret

`Yes, this does mean that a character's world view shapes how
magic works for him in the Shadowrun universe.'

to mean more than the very general properties, like type of Totem,
or Shaman vs. Hermetic.

luke

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