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Message no. 1
From: Fred Stoessel <Fred.Stoessel@*******.AI.FH-NUERNBERG.DE>
Subject: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:35:06 +0200
Hoi. I just read the last entry and now have question concerning bikes. A player in my
party is driving a
harley scorpion. Now he wants to transport his deck or his assault shotgun under the seat.
Is this possible?

-Stingray
Message no. 2
From: Craig J Wilhelm Jr <craigjwjr@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:17:11 -0400
On 05:35 AM 5/4/98 , Fred Stoessel wrote:
>Hoi. I just read the last entry and now have question concerning bikes. A
player in my party is driving a
>harley scorpion. Now he wants to transport his deck or his assault shotgun
under the seat. Is this possible?

You mean in the little storage thing under the seat? I dunno about the
deck, just how big are cyberdecks? If you say about the size of a standard
IBM keyboard, no dice, just a little too long. As for the shotgun, way too
long. Even with a foldong stock it'll still run around 24"-26" long.

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Message no. 3
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:16:13 PDT
[snip can I put my assault shotgun or deck under by Harley's seat?]

> You mean in the little storage thing under the seat? I dunno
about the
>deck, just how big are cyberdecks? If you say about the size of a
standard
>IBM keyboard, no dice, just a little too long. As for the shotgun, way
too
>long. Even with a foldong stock it'll still run around 24"-26" long.

Just how long do think the seat on a Harley is? We're not exactly
talking about a bicycle seat...
According to the now-outdated Rigger Black Book, the Scorpion has 2
CF under the seat(in Rigger 2, it doesn't give any storage capacity
stats- in fact, in RBB the Scorpion is made out to be more of a racing
bike, and in R2 it's made out to be more like the 'classic' Harley).
By R2's standards, I would say he could fit a deck under there OR a
Remington Roomsweeper(or some other kind of *very* sawed-off shotgun),
but not an *assault* Shotgun.
But ultimatly, it's you- the GM's- decision.

-Vagabond
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Message no. 4
From: David Hinkley <dhinkley@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:45:47 +0000
On 4 May 98 at 11:17, Craig J Wilhelm Jr wrote:

> On 05:35 AM 5/4/98 , Fred Stoessel wrote:
> >Hoi. I just read the last entry and now have question concerning bikes. A
> player in my party is driving a
> >harley scorpion. Now he wants to transport his deck or his assault shotgun
> under the seat. Is this possible?
>
> You mean in the little storage thing under the seat? I dunno
> about the
> deck, just how big are cyberdecks? If you say about the size of a
> standard IBM keyboard, no dice, just a little too long. As for the
> shotgun, way too long. Even with a foldong stock it'll still run
> around 24"-26" long.

There is another way. Chrome the shotgun and then mount it to a
chomed part of the frame by the seat. Believe it or not it just
"disappears". I lived in a town that did this to the shotguns the
Motorcycle units carried. I do not want to think of how many times I
saw one of those bikes before I noticed the shotgun nor how many
times it took to confirm that what I thought I saw was what I saw.




David Hinkley
dhinkley@***.org

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Message no. 5
From: Craig J Wilhelm Jr <craigjwjr@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:04:16 -0400
On 03:16 PM 5/4/98 , The Vagabond wrote:
> Just how long do think the seat on a Harley is? We're not exactly
>talking about a bicycle seat...

I know how big the SEAT is, I'm talking about the little storage space
under it. It's a LOT smaller than the seat. It's only a space like
16"lX5"wX4"d. But then I'm measuring it against my old cycle, a Kawasaki
KZ-1300, an older touring bike that's equal in size to most harleys. It had
enough room for a pistol, 2 soda cans, a sandwich and my keys, and not much
else (yes, that's exactly what I took on a typical summertime cruise).
There's no way I could fit my keyboard in there, no matter how hard you try.

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Message no. 6
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:41:35 EDT
In a message dated 5/4/98 4:42:25 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dhinkley@***.ORG writes:

> There is another way. Chrome the shotgun and then mount it to a
> chomed part of the frame by the seat. Believe it or not it just
> "disappears". I lived in a town that did this to the shotguns the
> Motorcycle units carried. I do not want to think of how many times I
> saw one of those bikes before I noticed the shotgun nor how many
> times it took to confirm that what I thought I saw was what I saw.
>
This still reminds me of that guy I saw on the motorcycle going from Phoenix,
through Tempe, on his way into the mountains...enough weapons for two big
fights...

-K
Message no. 7
From: Jessica Grota <grota@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 01:55:15 -0400
The Vagabond wrote:
>
> [snip can I put my assault shotgun or deck under by Harley's seat?]
<snip>
> By R2's standards, I would say he could fit a deck under there OR a
> Remington Roomsweeper(or some other kind of *very* sawed-off shotgun),
> but not an *assault* Shotgun.



Hmm. I've seen motorcycles with the trunk BEHIND the seat as well as
under. I think a cyberdeck would fit easily, and probably a bundle of
clothing, etc, maybe a sawed-off. A harley is generally a big friggin'
bike...Of course, that's just going by what I know. I don't have RBB OR
the RBB2.

--Jett
Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:30:50 +0100
Fred Stoessel said on 11:35/ 4 May 98...

> Hoi. I just read the last entry and now have question concerning bikes.
> A player in my party is driving a harley scorpion. Now he wants to
> transport his deck or his assault shotgun under the seat. Is this
> possible?

IMHO a cyberdeck could fit under a motorcycle seat, if there's a
reasonable storage space there (like when it says "1 CF underseat" in the
RBB), after all it's about the size of a modern keyboard. I'd say no to a
shotgun; a small SMG could fit, but larger ones would be difficult I
think, let alone rifle-sized weapons.

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Message no. 9
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:46:54 +0100
In article <199805050929.LAA15942@*****.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.NL> waffled & burbled about Harleys and Pumpguns
>Fred Stoessel said on 11:35/ 4 May 98...
>
>> Hoi. I just read the last entry and now have question concerning bikes.
>> A player in my party is driving a harley scorpion. Now he wants to
>> transport his deck or his assault shotgun under the seat. Is this
>> possible?
>
>IMHO a cyberdeck could fit under a motorcycle seat, if there's a
>reasonable storage space there (like when it says "1 CF underseat" in the
>RBB), after all it's about the size of a modern keyboard. I'd say no to a
>shotgun; a small SMG could fit, but larger ones would be difficult I
>think, let alone rifle-sized weapons.

The primary problem with under seat storage on a bike is that this tends
to be where some rather important components hide. Such as air filter,
carburettors, battery, electrics, fuse box, and other rather essential
items. Part of the fuel tank also feeds down under the front of the
seat and secures to the frame on the majority of bikes. On top of this
there's normally a taped and clamped wiring loom to contend with and
this is a fairly chunky piece of wrapped cabling. Plus breather tubes
for the battery and fuel tank. Bike storage is usually reserved for
panniers and tank bags. It is possible to get a disassembled smg into
the boot compartment (under tail fairing) of some bikes, but this is
usually an essential storage area for spare fuses, wiring, tools, wet
gear, grease, oil and the myriad of other components that help bikes
continue running.

This is from personal experience as rider of some 17 years now, and
although storage is better on the newer bikes, it is still savagely
limited.

IMO of course.
--
Avenger
Message no. 10
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:41:08 +0100
In article <354EA9C3.342A@*********.com>, Jessica Grota
<grota@*********.COM> waffled & burbled about Harleys and Pumpguns
>The Vagabond wrote:
>>
>> [snip can I put my assault shotgun or deck under by Harley's seat?]
><snip>
>> By R2's standards, I would say he could fit a deck under there OR a
>> Remington Roomsweeper(or some other kind of *very* sawed-off shotgun),
>> but not an *assault* Shotgun.
>
>Hmm. I've seen motorcycles with the trunk BEHIND the seat as well as
>under. I think a cyberdeck would fit easily, and probably a bundle of
>clothing, etc, maybe a sawed-off. A harley is generally a big friggin'
>bike...Of course, that's just going by what I know. I don't have RBB OR
>the RBB2.

Just to add my two P worth. I own a motorcycle, though it's a Jap
tourer, not something as impressively /huge/ as a Harley. I could, at a
stretch get a sawn off behind the front panel fairing on the bike and
still have it accessible. a cyberdeck, not a chance. Underseat storage
is at a minimum. The bike has a small boot where I can get waterproofs,
tool kit and torch, small bucket between air filter and battery for
spanners, oil and cloths. That's it.

Now from the Harleys I've seen here where I live, and elsewhere. Most
of them are pretty open bikes. Built for the retro feel of wind through
the body and flies in the teeth. The seat, though large, is sprung
(AFAIK) and raised from the frame - no hidey holes there.

There are variations on the theme, such as the Electra and what have you
used by the Police, and a few other like the Indian that have their own
saddlebags, but in general it's a big heavy open plan bike. Try a
backpack.

All IMO of course.

--
Avenger
Message no. 11
From: Geoff Skellams <geoff.skellams@*********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:54:12 +1000
On Shadowrun Discussion, Avenger wrote:
> This is from personal experience as rider of some 17 years now, and
> although storage is better on the newer bikes, it is still savagely
> limited.

I was reading an article about motorcycles under 250cc on the
Australian market in the magazine I get from the motoring association I
belong to a while back.
Suzuki has a 250cc bike on the market out here which has a
storage compartment in the place where the fuel tank is on most bikes
(where the fuel tank is on this beast I have no idea). IIRC, this
compartment is big enough to store a crash helmet, or maybe a bag or two
of shopping.
I'd say something like this on a bike would enable a decker to
carry a cyberdeck, or maybe a broken down shotgun (although the barrel
length could be a problem).

cheers
Geoff

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Message no. 12
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 04:09:20 +0100
In article <01EE95C716A4D01180E50040053AD031283415@*******.towersoft.com
.au>, Geoff Skellams <geoff.skellams@*********.COM.AU> waffled & burbled
about Harleys and Pumpguns
> Suzuki has a 250cc bike on the market out here which has a
>storage compartment in the place where the fuel tank is on most bikes

Not heard of this one.

>(where the fuel tank is on this beast I have no idea).

Well, I think that would be a rather vital piece of information in all
honesty. :)

>IIRC, this
>compartment is big enough to store a crash helmet, or maybe a bag or two
>of shopping.
> I'd say something like this on a bike would enable a decker to
>carry a cyberdeck, or maybe a broken down shotgun (although the barrel
>length could be a problem).

I'd estimate on nearly 20 inches of clear space on either side of the
panel fairing on my bike. That's just a nose fairing not the full kit.
That would hide a sawn off or sidearm quite happily. The panniers on my
bike will hold a crash helmet comfortably and the top box that my wife
uses as an armchair holds two, (45 litre capacity) You'd be amazed how
much kit you can get into those boxes. :)

Looking at some of the inspiration for cyberpunkish cycles, such as
Akira and Bubblegum. There is a possibility for better storage in those
machines. But in most cases things like combat shotguns, rifles etc are
usually carried either in a case on the back of the rider, or in a
scabbard mounted on the frame somewhere. Of course, there's always
Schwartzeneggars solution. Stuff it between the frame and exhaust at
the back. :) Though cooking off rounds or over heating and warping the
barrel might be a problem for longer rides.

Bikes are extremely versatile machines, but for internal storage - the
general rule of thumb is "The bigger the engine - the less the space."
:)

The Honda 250 SuperDream my wife used to ride had more underseat storage
than my bike, which is a 750.


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Message no. 13
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:36:31 +0100
Avenger said on 1:46/ 6 May 98...

[snip what's under a bike's seat]
> This is from personal experience as rider of some 17 years now, and
> although storage is better on the newer bikes, it is still savagely
> limited.

My comment was inspired mainly by the Yamaha 50 cc bike I owned about 5
years ago, which had a small amount of space under the seat. Itwould have
been large enough to put a keyboard (cyberdeck) only if you'd first drove
a steamroller across the keyboard, but since the RBB states there is quite
some underseat storage space I pictured my old bike with more room under
the seat, and decided in that case it should be big enough for a
cyberdeck. YMMV, naturally.

Then there are those scooters ("It looks like you're sitting on a toilet,"
someone I know once said about them :) that often have the room to store a
helmet under the seat and/or in a storage compartment in the front shield.

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Message no. 14
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Harleys and Pumpguns
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 01:02:24 +0100
In article <199805061038.MAA15455@*****.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.NL> waffled & burbled about Harleys and Pumpguns

(storing stuff under bike seats)
>My comment was inspired mainly by the Yamaha 50 cc bike I owned about 5
>years ago, which had a small amount of space under the seat. Itwould have
>been large enough to put a keyboard (cyberdeck) only if you'd first drove
>a steamroller across the keyboard,

Heh. I don't think that would be a healthy action for the cyberdeck in
all honesty. It may influence it's ability to function. :)

>but since the RBB states there is quite
>some underseat storage space

I've noticed that, and in all honesty I'm somewhat puzzled where this
space comes from. :) The graphics they've used for the bikes doesn't
imply there's up to 2cf under the seat. :)

>I pictured my old bike with more room under
>the seat, and decided in that case it should be big enough for a
>cyberdeck. YMMV, naturally.

Hehe, yep, mileage definitely varies, it's better out of town. <g>

>Then there are those scooters ("It looks like you're sitting on a toilet,"
>someone I know once said about them :) that often have the room to store a
>helmet under the seat and/or in a storage compartment in the front shield.

Again, in the case of most scooters, the fuel tank is under the seat -
go figure. But yes, I have seen Honda scooters with enough room for an
eggshell (open face) helmet.

--
Avenger

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