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Message no. 1
From: Menard Steve <menars@***.UMONTREAL.CA>
Subject: Heavy Security Armor; Hardened?
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 15:42:44 -0400
On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, Jan-bart van Beek wrote:

> The rules I posted yesterday worked fine last night.
> There was a guy standing on top of a wall. He was wearing a heavy
> Secu-Armour 7/4. One of the player fired a uzi at him. The bullets of
> coarse didn't even penetrate his armour. The attacker hit with 3
> successes above deadly. I had him make a dodge test (I used the Threat
> rating, that's 3 dice) against the minimum target number (2). The man on
> top of the wall scored three successes. That meant he would get hit by a
> deadly hit. Ofcourse he took no damage (Standard bullet of 6 vs 7
> hardened armour), but he did get those bullet on his chest plate.

While reading that post something struck me as weird : Since when does
security aror provide hardened protection? I just reviewed mys SSC (1st
edition unfortunately) and SRII and nowhere do they mention hardened
protection. Am I mistaken?

Just checking!

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Message no. 2
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Heavy Security Armor; Hardened?
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:35:38 +1000
Menard Steve writes:

> While reading that post something struck me as weird : Since when does
> security aror provide hardened protection? I just reviewed mys SSC (1st
> edition unfortunately) and SRII and nowhere do they mention hardened
> protection. Am I mistaken?

Nup, you're right. The only hardened body armour in SR is the military stuff
out of FoF, regular full & partial heavy and security armours are not
hardened.

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Message no. 3
From: Paul Jonathan Adam <Paul@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Heavy Security Armor; Hardened?
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:09:10 GMT
> While reading that post something struck me as weird : Since when does
> security aror provide hardened protection? I just reviewed mys SSC (1st
> edition unfortunately) and SRII and nowhere do they mention hardened
> protection. Am I mistaken?
>
> Just checking!

If you read Fields of Fire, you can add gel-packs to harden any armour with
rigid plates (or something similar). You can also get totally munchkinous
16/12 hardened personal armour.

Someone even tried to wear it in my game once, heh heh heh... <low and
maniacal chuckle, backlit by a smouldering character sheet>

I liked a lot of FoF but not that armour. Not even for "crisis" work: I
can't see a PC having cause to wear stuff like that twice in a lifetime.
I'm fairly lax on "clothing" armour, but anything else is *out* - too
obvious for urban work, too heavy and awkward for field work. Specialised
applications only: and isn't it nice that a 20D armour-piercing missile
costing only 1,200 newyen came out at the same time? A couple of those
in the guardroom for just that sort of emergency...

Not to mention the modifiers to Stealth rolls. And the reputation it gets
you as a complete wuss.

But in your question, the armour was customised with the gel packs, not
off the peg security panzer-pants.


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When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude towards
him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better or
for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him.

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk

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