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Message no. 1
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Hello Runners
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:34:23 -0600
:>>This was mentioned a while back, but didn't someone nominate a
:>>cyberpunkish drawing of Hello Kitty to be a possible design for this
:>>year's shirt?
:>
:>I thought YOU did that...
:
:Me? No, I was just looking for a piece of Cyberpunk Hello Kitty art,
:someone _else_ said "Wow, that's a cool idea for the list shirt." :)


Oh, then I guess that WAS just my sick little fantasy / fetish...
sorry to try to pin that on you. :)


:>>Of course, someone would have to draw one first, which may be a
:>>problem.
:>
:>I think someone mentioned that could incur copyright problems ... I
:>SHOULD be able do it though if we can be certain there will be no
:>copyright problems ...


:I believe that this would fall under the category of parody. Plus I
:hardly see us being a threat by any means to legitimate Hello Kitty
:market share. Besides, isn't the list shirt an entirely non-profit
:effort?


That's my impression, too. If we were using Disney characters, they
might get on sombodies case (they are anal about going after ANY image
use), but there what, less than 500 of these made?
Copyright is not the issue, since we can't really be plagerizing.
Trademark violation is the issue.

:If this were being done in large volumes, and to make money by taking
:away sales directly from official Hello Kitty merchandise, then I
:could see the lawyers coming after us over it, but as is, we wouldn't
:be worth wasting lawyer's billable hours on. It's not like anyone on
:the list has piles and piles of money to make a tempting lawsuit
:target.


The issue would be if were were doing substatiable damage to San Rio's
image and trademarks. Obviously, this is NOT the image they want, so they
COULD be upset. Then again, how may of their normal customers would EVER
be exposed to this image? Lets put it this way- would San Rio ever even
KNOW? If not, how could we be doing any harm? Its a small scale parody,
for a private audiance.

:It's true that there have been lawsuits over t-shirts that were
:intended as obvious parodies, in recent history. The most recent one
:that comes to mind was when children's television icon, Mr. Rogers,
:sued Gadzooks Clothing Stores over a t-shirt featuring everyone's
:favorite sweater wearing neighbor wielding a .44 magnum revolver.
:However, that lawsuit involved a large national store chain, with
:several dozen stores each selling the shirts by the caseload.
:
:>Does that make the list's logo "Where Hello Kitty meets magic and
:>machine?"
:>=^.^:
:It's certainly appropriate for this particular t-shirt design.


I forgot- one of the San Rio parody characters HAS to be chucking
spells!

Unfortunately, I can't cartoon worth drek, nor find any good reference
images to work from. Nuts.

I'm hoping this will degenerate into a quasi OT thread on which San
Rio characters should be which SR archetypes...

Mongoose
Message no. 2
From: XaOs [David Goth] xaos@*****.net
Subject: Hello Runners
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:22:32 -0600
> Oh, then I guess that WAS just my sick little fantasy / fetish...
> sorry to try to pin that on you. :)

Really? Someone once sent me a small graphic of a Gothic Kitty. Relatively
amusing.

-XaOs-
xaos@*****.net
-David Goth-

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