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From:	Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:	Hermanic Circles
Date:	Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:04:14 -0500

Message no. 1 I think that I read in the main book that Hermatic circles, in contrast to
medicine lodges, are active astral barriers when they are being used to
conjure elementals. Since then I have seen all sorts of examples where
hermatic circles are used as some substitute for a ward. Can someone
either conferm or deny the barrier properites of a hermatic circle. If
they do have this property, what is the difference between and circle and
a spherical ward, besides the fact that wards are harder to make and have
to be constantly renewed, else they will collapse.

From:	Timothy P Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Hermanic Circles
Date:	Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:25:51 -0800

Message no. 2 >
> I think that I read in the main book that Hermatic circles, in contrast to
> medicine lodges, are active astral barriers when they are being used to
> conjure elementals. Since then I have seen all sorts of examples where
> hermatic circles are used as some substitute for a ward. Can someone
> either conferm or deny the barrier properites of a hermatic circle. If
> they do have this property, what is the difference between and circle and
> a spherical ward, besides the fact that wards are harder to make and have
> to be constantly renewed, else they will collapse.

AFAIK, a circle is only a barrier WHEN IT'S IN USE. Which means if it's not
actively being used for something, then it's just paint/chalk (albeit expensive
paint/chalk) on the ground.

A ward OTOH is up all the time...hence the higher difficulty/cost.

~Tim

From:	Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject:	Hermanic Circles -Reply
Date:	Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:39:13 -0500

Message no. 3 Hermetic circles are in fact only astral when in use. I do recall a reference in
DNA/DOA that indicated otherwise, but this was before the creation of wards and
was, IMHO essentially an obsolete typo that I would replace with a ward if I were
running the adventure today.

Double-Domed Mike

From:	Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: Hermanic Circles
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:22:31 GMT

Message no. 4 Midn Daniel O Fredrikson writes

> I think that I read in the main book that Hermatic circles, in contrast to
> medicine lodges, are active astral barriers when they are being used to
> conjure elementals. Since then I have seen all sorts of examples where
> hermatic circles are used as some substitute for a ward. Can someone
> either conferm or deny the barrier properites of a hermatic circle. If
> they do have this property, what is the difference between and circle and
> a spherical ward, besides the fact that wards are harder to make and have
> to be constantly renewed, else they will collapse.
>

This is an old one!, the literature continuously uses hermetic
circles as barriers (eg around the eye of the Needle restraunt) but
as you say the rule says they are only active while being used. My
answer is there is another type of Hermetic circle (not discussed in
the RULE books) that only acts as an astral barrier, cannot be used
for conjouring etc.
The reason wards still have an advantage is they have no physical
component, if you can get at a hermetic circle physically just break
the thing and it collapses!

Mark

From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: Hermanic Circles
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:48:09 +0100

Message no. 5 Midn Daniel O Fredrikson said on 13:04/ 4 Dec 96...

> I think that I read in the main book that Hermatic circles, in contrast to
> medicine lodges, are active astral barriers when they are being used to
> conjure elementals. Since then I have seen all sorts of examples where
> hermatic circles are used as some substitute for a ward. Can someone
> either conferm or deny the barrier properites of a hermatic circle.

Hermetic circles are only astral barriers when they are in use by a mage;
medicine lodges always form astral barriers. See the Grimoire page 91: "A
medicine lodge provides a barrier against astral travelers all the time.
A hermetic circle serves as an effective barrier only when in use."

> If they do have this property, what is the difference between and circle
> and a spherical ward, besides the fact that wards are harder to make and
> have to be constantly renewed, else they will collapse.

As said above, a hermetic circle is only a barrier when it's being used. A
further disadvantage is that a circle can be traced back to the person who
created it, while that is not mentioned about wards in the Grimoire.

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From:	Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject:	Re: Hermanic Circles
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:25:55 +0000

Message no. 6 On 4 Dec 96 at 13:04, Midn Daniel O Fredrikson wrote:
> I think that I read in the main book that Hermatic circles, in contrast to
> medicine lodges, are active astral barriers when they are being used to
> conjure elementals.
[snip]
SRII, p.147: ''Hermetic circles and medicine lodges act as barriers in astral
space.''

Sascha
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