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Message no. 1
From: Matt Morgan <HAMBUREE@****>
Subject: Highlander...
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 92 19:40:25 EDT
I would like to commend the person for the Highlander ideas...EXCELLENT...
I was wondering how long it would take....

I have a request...
Any of you who have made any new types of archetypes....I am interested...
What they are and any info on them...i.e. I created the Street Ninja, the
Badger Shaman, and the Squirrel Shaman...

Thanx for you consideration and responses would be worthwhile...

Secondly, I have two mercs under me who have gotten cybered up....ever since
then, they continue to argue like cats and dogs...one is a troll and the other
is an elf...how do I resolve the problem??


Thanx for your help, chummers....


Matt Morgan, Archmage of Philly...oh...any of you used the London sourcebook??
Message no. 2
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Highlander
Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 23:43:55 -0400
On Fri, 6 May 1994, James M. Nichols wrote:

> By the way, someone mentioned a 'director's cut' released in '90 or so. If th
> is was a U.S. release could they give me some in-depth info on it. Does it con
> tain all (or most) of the unseen stuff and where to get it. If it WAS a U.S.
> release then it might be easier (and CHEAPER) to get than a Euro version.

That was me who mentioned it (I'm keeping this reply public in
case anybody else is interested -- if not, just ignore me as usual.) It
was a U.S. release -- I could tell because the video was standard NTSC on
VHS. It contained at least _some_ footage not in the original U.S.
release -- however, since I have no connections to the director, or
editors, I can't tell you how much, or how it compares to the European
release that everybody's talking about.
Basically, I think it exists. Sorry I can't help you any more
than that.
Message no. 3
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Highlander
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:10:08 EST
I have seen a physad power on the net that was called the Highlander
power. When I first saw the power I didn't think much of it(most of the
variants listed the cost as 8+) I wanted to know what most of the people
had, or thought of, about the power.
I was thinking of an evil NPC.


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Message no. 4
From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:27:42 -0800
>I have seen a physad power on the net that was called the Highlander
>power. When I first saw the power I didn't think much of it(most of the
>variants listed the cost as 8+) I wanted to know what most of the people
>had, or thought of, about the power.
>I was thinking of an evil NPC.

Er, it'd be nice if you'd tell the people that haven't seen this power (like
me) what the frag it is. :] Let me guess... There is some form of rapid
regeneration for everything except when your head falls off, some wicked
pluses for quickness/reaction/init/whatever, etc? Automatically being
the spiffiest sword-fighter on the block to, eh? Highlander's a great
series, but I don't know if I want them in my game, unless the players
happened to see two of them fighting it out and the following Quickening.

On a side note, there is an excellent version of Highlander made for the
World of Darkness stuff. I think it won some award at a European
convention somewhere. It follows the format of the usual WoD rulebooks
and it's avaiable totally free on the 'Net. I can fish up the URL if
anyone wants it. Until then, I'll postpone using Netscape...

Skye-who-should-have-a-group-unless-it's-luck-as-usual-for-me.
Message no. 5
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:43:48 EST
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:27:42 -0800 Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
writes:
>Er, it'd be nice if you'd tell the people that haven't seen this power
>(like
>me) what the frag it is. :]
-------
Sorry, the thought never occured to me. Basically, from what i've seen,
you get the regeneration ability, unless you get your block chopped off,
also, if you kill another highlander, you get one of their skills.
That's the simplest one I've seen, and really I think highlanders should
pay their skill points for a whoop-ass swoard ability.
------
>On a side note, there is an excellent version of Highlander made for
>the
>World of Darkness stuff. I think it won some award at a European
>convention somewhere. It follows the format of the usual WoD rulebooks
>and it's avaiable totally free on the 'Net. I can fish up the URL if
>anyone wants it. Until then, I'll postpone using Netscape...
-------
What is World of Darkness, I know its probably an RPG, but what kind?


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Message no. 6
From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:38:51 -0800
Gweedo the Killer G^H^H^H^HPimp said:
>What is World of Darkness, I know its probably an RPG, but what kind?

The best way I can explain it is this... The World of Darkness encompasses
all of the settings of Werewolf, Vampire, Mage, and the like. A gothic-punk
environment would be the best way to put it, I suppose. I thought I read
that you played v:tm and whatnot, anyway, so you should know that.
Message no. 7
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:08:00 -0500
At 08:10 PM 3/18/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote these timeless words:
>I have seen a physad power on the net that was called the Highlander
>power. When I first saw the power I didn't think much of it(most of the
>variants listed the cost as 8+) I wanted to know what most of the people
>had, or thought of, about the power.
>I was thinking of an evil NPC.
>
This is a power that I'd be VERY careful using... and I wouldn't make it a
Phys-Ad power.... I'd make it a Race, like Ork and Troll... and I'd be
damned sure that I had a VERY good Roleplayer before I let someone try a
character like this... Very dangerous and very annoying in the wrong hands...

However, this works very well in Marvel Superheroes...:]

Bull

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Message no. 8
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:48:39 EST
On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:08:00 -0500 Bull <chaos@*****.COM> writes:
>At 08:10 PM 3/18/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote these timeless
>words:

>This is a power that I'd be VERY careful using... and I wouldn't make
>it a
>Phys-Ad power.... I'd make it a Race, like Ork and Troll... and I'd
>be
>damned sure that I had a VERY good Roleplayer before I let someone try
>a
>character like this... Very dangerous and very annoying in the wrong
>hands...
>
>However, this works very well in Marvel Superheroes...:]
>
------
No, No, No, it would be an NPC playing the character, just becuae I can't
do plausisble NPC's that can *hurt* the PC's. This is not really a last
resort, it's hopefully going to be a swell run that will trip them up
when he get's hit with an LMG and keeps on coming.. What is marvel
Superheroes(I do know about the comic books), Is it an RPG?


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Message no. 9
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:53:01 EST
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:38:51 -0800 Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
writes:
>Gweedo the Killer G^H^H^H^HPimp said:
-------
What is G^H^H^H^H mean?
---
>The best way I can explain it is this... The World of Darkness
>encompasses
>all of the settings of Werewolf, Vampire, Mage, and the like. A
>gothic-punk
>environment would be the best way to put it, I suppose. I thought I
>read
>that you played v:tm and whatnot, anyway, so you should know that.
------
I have played V:tm although I never heard of Wold of Darkness, is it all
of the systems lumped together in one game?


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Message no. 10
From: Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:57:05 -0600
> What is marvel Superheroes(I do know about the comic books),
> Is it an RPG?

He's trolling, right?

Gossamer
Message no. 11
From: Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:59:19 -0600
> I have played V:tm although I never heard of Wold of Darkness, is it all
> of the systems lumped together in one game?

I know he's trolling. Either that or he's very young... which is just
an observation, not a criticism.

Gossamer, who trolls, but is not young, well, not today.
Message no. 12
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:05:51 EST
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:59:19 -0600 Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
writes:
>I know he's trolling. Either that or he's very young... which is just
>an observation, not a criticism.
----
I've only been roleplaying for about a year now, and Sr was my first
game. If that's what you mean by young. i have no idea what trolling
is.


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Message no. 13
From: Shawn Baumgartner <deosyne@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:55:46 -0800
>Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:43:48 EST
>From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp
>Subject: Re: Highlander
>To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET

>On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:27:42 -0800 Skye Comstock
>writes:
>>Er, it'd be nice if you'd tell the people that
haven't seen this power
>>(like
>>me) what the frag it is. :]
>-------
>Sorry, the thought never occured to me. Basically,
from what i've seen,
>you get the regeneration ability, unless you get
your block chopped off,
>also, if you kill another highlander, you get one of
their skills.
>That's the simplest one I've seen, and really I
think highlanders should
>pay their skill points for a whoop-ass swoard
ability.
>------
>>On a side note, there is an excellent version of
Highlander made for
>>the
>>World of Darkness stuff. I think it won some award
at a European
>>convention somewhere. It follows the format of the
usual WoD rulebooks
>>and it's avaiable totally free on the 'Net. I can
fish up the URL if
>>anyone wants it. Until then, I'll postpone using
Netscape...
>-------
>What is World of Darkness, I know its probably an
RPG, but what kind?
>
>

No offence to ya, Gweedo, but that's the best laugh
I've had all day. :) Especially after the WW vs. the
world debate (to which you contributed IIRC). Oh ,
and Skye, I'd like the URL, if ya don't mind. I'm
always lookin' for something new.

Shawn
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Message no. 14
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:11:21 +0100
Gweedo The Killer Pimp said on 21:43/18 Mar 97...

> What is World of Darkness, I know its probably an RPG, but what kind?

It's the world in which White Wolf's Storyteller games are set -- a darker
version of the modern-day world.

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Message no. 15
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:14:45 +1000
> I have seen a physad power on the net that was called the Highlander
> power. When I first saw the power I didn't think much of it(most of the
> variants listed the cost as 8+) I wanted to know what most of the people
> had, or thought of, about the power.
> I was thinking of an evil NPC.

What's the power do?

Ray
Message no. 16
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:13:47 GMT
Gweedo The Killer Pimp writes

> No, No, No, it would be an NPC playing the character, just becuae I can't
> do plausisble NPC's that can *hurt* the PC's.
Try large net gun (street sams catalogue) or
Yamaha pulsar (Neoanarchists guide to real life)
using SR2 shock weapons rules

Either should get any PC's attention!, i refuse to play the rules for
the latter as written, its better than a panther cannon!

> This is not really a last
> resort, it's hopefully going to be a swell run that will trip them up
> when he get's hit with an LMG and keeps on coming..
Try giving an NPC APDS if you have to, but be careful. If the Pc's
insist on using Franchie 22's loaded with AP use them back, just warn
the players first and give them a chance before you start losing PC's
as fast as NPC's.

> What is marvel
> Superheroes(I do know about the comic books), Is it an RPG?
>
Yes an RPG by that name exists, based on 'yes you guessed!' Marvel
superheros. Nothing special basically.
If you want good superheros stick with the Hero system (Champions)
though beware some powers. Others have been known to work well given
a good GM and keeping the players well in the dark. [particularly 1
game i knew of but was not involved in, but i've forgotten the name
of the system, though i've never seen it again anyway].

Mark
Message no. 17
From: Jeffrey Riordan <JRIORDAN@***.GOV>
Subject: Highlander -Reply
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:42:09 -0500
>>> Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
03/18/97 08:10pm >>>
I have seen a physad power on the net that was called
the Highlander power. When I first saw the power I
didn't think much of it(most of the variants listed the
cost as 8+) I wanted to know what most of the people
had, or thought of, about the power.
I was thinking of an evil NPC.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Sounds suspiciously like a power I saw on the net
(nerps or some related net article) on Phys Adepts
powers called regeneration. Costs 8 or 10 magic
points and basically gives you the same ability as the
critter power. Had great shock value when I used it on
the PCs with an NPC. Unfortunatly since almost all of
his Magic points were spent in that one power he
sucked at everything else.
In combat the guy was only useful as a target and
not much else. (mind you I try and build realistic NPCs
within certain bounds) I should have used the
character as a more lone encounter type where he trys
to take out a PC when he's alone, gets smeared all
over the pavement, PC leaves thinking troubles are
over. Bam, next day, same guy tries it again.
Hmm.... I'll have to find a way to put that in this plot....
Message no. 18
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander -Reply
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:54:56 GMT
Jeffrey Riordan writes
>
> Sounds suspiciously like a power I saw on the net
> (nerps or some related net article) on Phys Adepts
> powers called regeneration. Costs 8 or 10 magic
> points and basically gives you the same ability as the
> critter power.
sound like it, well there was one that did that.

> Had great shock value when I used it on
> the PCs with an NPC. Unfortunatly since almost all of
> his Magic points were spent in that one power he
> sucked at everything else.
> In combat the guy was only useful as a target and
> not much else.
Which is why i think many such powers are silly. To have them and be
any use you have to build a totally 1 dimensional character which
either kills everything it meets and/or bores everyone.

> (mind you I try and build realistic NPCs
> within certain bounds)
Yeah why i try to pursuade PC's to avoid overly powerful Pc's as
although they are easy enough to build comming up with a plausible
excuse for NPC's on their level gets pretty hard at times. If the
only way you can threaten them is by using held actions it gets
rather boring. I have complained rather biterly about NPC's that
could take everything i could throw at them for three rounds but kill
my PC in one when playing Earthdawn and somehow the GM still thinks
it was balanced!, trying to find an alternative however is proving
hard at some points in time.

> I should have used the
> character as a more lone encounter type where he trys
> to take out a PC when he's alone,
Oh often so much fun, just difficult to organise far too often as it
leaves the rest of the group sitting about doing nothing. (yes in
theory they could chat in character, organise plans, do that
sourcebook looking up etc but you know players.....[well some at
least])

> gets smeared all
> over the pavement, PC leaves thinking troubles are
> over. Bam, next day, same guy tries it again.
> Hmm.... I'll have to find a way to put that in this plot....
>
Will only work if they cannot/forget to do an astral scan of the
body, and some have the sense to check 'is he really dead' if they
wanted him that way
Message no. 19
From: Gossamer <jrsnyder@********.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:27:02 -0600
>I'd like the URL, if ya don't mind.

The last URL I have for it is http://www.ip.net/highlander/
but my university's proxy server won't resolve the address.

Good hunting,

Gossamer
Message no. 20
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:50:13 +0000
|
|> What is marvel Superheroes(I do know about the comic books),
|> Is it an RPG?
|
|He's trolling, right?

He might be, but it's POSSIBLE that he's never heard of it....
(I've only ever played it once....)
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Message no. 21
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:51:33 +0000
|
|On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:59:19 -0600 Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
|writes:
|>I know he's trolling. Either that or he's very young... which is just
|>an observation, not a criticism.
|----
|I've only been roleplaying for about a year now, and Sr was my first
|game. If that's what you mean by young. i have no idea what trolling
|is.

Trolling is an 'net term. It means willfully starting converstions that'll
probably start arguments and flame wars....

And no, I don't thing you are trolling.
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Message no. 22
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:49:33 +0000
|I have played V:tm although I never heard of Wold of Darkness, is it all
|of the systems lumped together in one game?

No, it's the world where all the games are BASED....

Like the Palladium Megaverse is the world(s) where all the palladium games
snugly fit....
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Message no. 23
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Highlander -Reply
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:14:40 -0500
hmm... if you have this highlander power, do you still have to check for
magic loss if you get a deadly wound?
Message no. 24
From: Dvixen <Dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:44:04 -0800
Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote:

> I've only been roleplaying for about a year now, and Sr was my first
> game. If that's what you mean by young. i have no idea what trolling
> is.

You've only been playing for a year? Baerly out of your diapers, you
are!
<g>

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Message no. 25
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:04:32 EST
On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:51:33 +0000 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:
>Trolling is an 'net term. It means willfully starting converstions
>that'll
>probably start arguments and flame wars....
>
>And no, I don't thing you are trolling.
>--
That's good, things creep me out :-) I have heard of Champions before, I
just never heard of Marvel, and as for Wod, It just didn't click in my
mind until i looked in my vampire book, sorry, I wouldn't _intentionally_
start a flame war.


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Message no. 26
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:37:20 -0500
Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote,
>I wouldn't _intentionally_ start a flame war.

Me either,...
...not counting the time I posted my reasons for not
liking Anne Rice fans on alt.gothic just to tempt fate.
Surprisingly enough everyone read what I posted instead of reading
into it. I ended up with a pleasant discussion on the topic. I was also
happy that the biggest rebuff I had was that not all goths like vampires.
Anyway I degress.


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Message no. 27
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:38:37 -0500
At 10:57 PM 3/18/97 -0600, Gossamer wrote these timeless words:
>> What is marvel Superheroes(I do know about the comic books),
>> Is it an RPG?
>
>He's trolling, right?
>
I get the feeling that Gweedo's a bit new to RPG's in general, or is just
being a pain in the ass... I'll opt to believe, for now, the first one...
This isn't the first RPG that he didn't know about...

Bull
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Message no. 28
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:39:10 -0500
At 11:48 PM 3/18/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote these timeless words:

>No, No, No, it would be an NPC playing the character, just becuae I can't
>do plausisble NPC's that can *hurt* the PC's. This is not really a last
>resort, it's hopefully going to be a swell run that will trip them up
>when he get's hit with an LMG and keeps on coming..
>
Ahhh... I see... Cool idea... Although annoying...:]

>What is marvel
>Superheroes(I do know about the comic books), Is it an RPG?
>
Marvel Superheroes is a great little RPG that used to be put oyut by TSR,
but has sadly been Out Of Print for the last few years... It's fast,
simple, and silly...:]

Much fun...:]

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Message no. 29
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:00:17 EST
On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:44:04 -0800 Dvixen <Dvixen@********.COM> writes:
>Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote:
>You've only been playing for a year? Baerly out of your diapers, you
>are!
><g>
>
>--
Yep, Yep, Yep. When I read that Sr was a game for RPGers who had a
couple of games under their belt, I almost poopoo'ed in my pants thinking
I wasted $20 on a book. But i didn't. What mostly turned my on to the
game was the Genesis version of Shadowrun, funny, now that I look at it,
that game almost doesn't even look like shadowrun now. :-)


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Message no. 30
From: Denzil Kruse <dkruse@***.AZ05.BULL.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander -Reply
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:02:00 MST
>hmm... if you have this highlander power, do you still have to check for
>magic loss if you get a deadly wound?

That's a good question if you model the regeneration after the show instead
of the regeneration power in the rules. In the show, it may take anywhere
from 5 minutes to 5 hours, depending on what is needed in the script. At
first I assumed a stronger immortal (not neccesarlity an older one) would
come back faster, or it would depend on how much damage needs to be healed,
but there is no consistency in the show.

So, since regeneration isn't instant, and the person is actually dead for a
while (or aren't they really dead?), then maybe you do need to check. Magic
is tied to your body (essesnce) but maybe the regeneration will "heal" it
back, even thought that is usually not possible.

Either way, I would think that highlander-stlye immortals would be among the
most powerful beings on the planet. Not so much because of their
regeneration and sword ability, but their multitude of skills and knowledge
they have aquired from all the heads they have taken, and heads those heads
have taken (recursing on back). And the fact that they were magical before
the awakening, which I think means they will be even more so when awakened.


>> What is marvel
>> Superheroes(I do know about the comic books), Is it an RPG?
>>
>Yes an RPG by that name exists, based on 'yes you guessed!' Marvel
>superheros. Nothing special basically.
>If you want good superheros stick with the Hero system (Champions)
>though beware some powers. Others have been known to work well given
>a good GM and keeping the players well in the dark. [particularly 1
>game i knew of but was not involved in, but i've forgotten the name
>of the system, though i've never seen it again anyway].

Marvel Superheros and Villians and Vigilantes came out in the early 80's,
and were pretty good for the time. Marvel especially was meant to be
simple, and worked out well enough if that is what you want. V&V had some
good ideas, and so did Marvel. I think experience RPGers would quickly
ditch or majorly adapt them. Champions, a more "modern" game, is pretty
cool, but complicated. If our group just wants a quick sidetrack to a
superhero game, we play Marvel or V&V. If we were going to play seroiusly,
I'd use Champions.

By the way, Nigel Findely worked on a lot of the Marvel stuff.

Denzil Kruse
d.kruse@****.com
Message no. 31
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:13:01 EST
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:55:46 -0800 Shawn Baumgartner
<deosyne@*******.COM> writes:
>No offence to ya, Gweedo, but that's the best laugh
>I've had all day. :) Especially after the WW vs. the
>world debate (to which you contributed IIRC). Oh ,
>and Skye, I'd like the URL, if ya don't mind. I'm
>always lookin' for something new.
-------
No offence taken. Remember, I play vampire, no GM it. (And I hope to god
I don't) Glad i could lighten your day a bit Mr. Shawn.


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Message no. 32
From: Denzil Kruse <dkruse@***.AZ05.BULL.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:20:00 MST
>Yep, Yep, Yep. When I read that Sr was a game for RPGers who had a
>couple of games under their belt, I almost poopoo'ed in my pants thinking
>I wasted $20 on a book. But i didn't. What mostly turned my on to the
>game was the Genesis version of Shadowrun, funny, now that I look at it,
>that game almost doesn't even look like shadowrun now. :-)

Did you ever figure out what the hell that voice was saying in that bar in
the barrens where you meet your first Mr. Johnson? That drove me crazy! It
seems like a little thing, but it kind of snowballed....

Pretty good game for a sega/nintendo - type game, but was to repetitious and
I gave it up. I heard good things about the nintendo version, which is a
different game. I hope they come out with a computer game for Shadowrun.
Course if they do, it will probably require a pentium, which I don't have.

Denzil Kruse
d.kruse@****.com
Message no. 33
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Highlander -Reply
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:53:57 -0500
> >hmm... if you have this highlander power, do you still have to check for
> >magic loss if you get a deadly wound?
>
> That's a good question if you model the regeneration after the show instead
> of the regeneration power in the rules. In the show, it may take anywhere
> from 5 minutes to 5 hours, depending on what is needed in the script. At
> first I assumed a stronger immortal (not neccesarlity an older one) would
> come back faster, or it would depend on how much damage needs to be healed,
> but there is no consistency in the show.
>

I'm not sure, but I seem to remember that in the movie, almost all of the
immortals heal pretty fast. Not usually fast enough to avoid that final
blow though. How many bullets did krugan take from that uzi? 20 or so,
and he was back on his feet in a couple of minites. Course one could
always argue that he was one of the most powerful highlanders.

> So, since regeneration isn't instant, and the person is actually dead for a
> while (or aren't they really dead?), then maybe you do need to check. Magic
> is tied to your body (essesnce) but maybe the regeneration will "heal" it
> back, even thought that is usually not possible.
>
> Either way, I would think that highlander-stlye immortals would be among the
> most powerful beings on the planet. Not so much because of their
> regeneration and sword ability, but their multitude of skills and knowledge
> they have aquired from all the heads they have taken, and heads those heads
> have taken (recursing on back). And the fact that they were magical before
> the awakening, which I think means they will be even more so when awakened.

Something else to consider, don't the IE's have some type of regeneration.
It seemed to indicate that in a couple of novels...
Message no. 34
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander -Reply
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:54:53 +0000
|I'm not sure, but I seem to remember that in the movie, almost all of the
|immortals heal pretty fast. Not usually fast enough to avoid that final
|blow though. How many bullets did krugan take from that uzi? 20 or so,
|and he was back on his feet in a couple of minites. Course one could
|always argue that he was one of the most powerful highlanders.

The Kurgan wasn't a Highlander...
(He was an immortal, but not a Highlander)
He predated McCloud by at least a thousand years (as did Ramerez).
The only (immortal) Highlanders are Connor and Duncan....

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Message no. 35
From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:48:50 -0800
>No offence to ya, Gweedo, but that's the best laugh
>I've had all day. :) Especially after the WW vs. the
>world debate (to which you contributed IIRC). Oh ,
>and Skye, I'd like the URL, if ya don't mind. I'm
>always lookin' for something new.

You're wrapping stuff really close, like 60 chars.
70-80 would be much more quote friendly. =) The
URL for Highlander: the Gathering is:
http://www.itribe.net/highlander/title.html
It looks like they went in and re-formatted the
whole thing and it's copyrighted now.

-Skye-supposed-group-day-in-two-days.

P.S. If you're in Seattle and want to game, talk
to me!
Message no. 36
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Highlander -Reply
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:12:43 -0500
> |I'm not sure, but I seem to remember that in the movie, almost all of the
> |immortals heal pretty fast. Not usually fast enough to avoid that final
> |blow though. How many bullets did krugan take from that uzi? 20 or so,
> |and he was back on his feet in a couple of minites. Course one could
> |always argue that he was one of the most powerful highlanders.
>
> The Kurgan wasn't a Highlander...
> (He was an immortal, but not a Highlander)
> He predated McCloud by at least a thousand years (as did Ramerez).
> The only (immortal) Highlanders are Connor and Duncan....

Yea, what you said. I was trying to say a highlander-type person.
Message no. 37
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:58:33 -0500
Denzil Kruse wrote,
>I heard good things about the nintendo version, which is a
>different game. I hope they come out with a computer game for Shadowrun.
> Course if they do, it will probably require a pentium, which I don't have.

Sega kicked SNES's ass when it came to Shadowrun. I gottem both
though (although I don't have a SNES). I thought FASAMike mentioned a SR
comp game in the "works" for maybe 98? Anyway I'd have to wait longer
since I don't have anything close to a pentium, and glad of that.

"Where do you want to go today?"
- MC23 -
"Have Mac, will travel"
B>]#
Message no. 38
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:19:24 EST
On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:58:33 -0500 MC23 <mc23@****.NET> writes:
>Denzil Kruse wrote,
> Sega kicked SNES's ass when it came to Shadowrun. I gottem both
>though (although I don't have a SNES). I thought FASAMike mentioned a
>SR
>comp game in the "works" for maybe 98? Anyway I'd have to wait longer
>since I don't have anything close to a pentium, and glad of that.
-------
My sentiments exactly on the Nintendo and Sega version of Shadowrun. I
really like working little runs, in a big one. Rather than one big run
:-}


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Message no. 39
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:45:07 EST
On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:38:37 -0500 Bull <chaos@*****.COM> writes:
>At 10:57 PM 3/18/97 -0600, Gossamer wrote these timeless words:
>I get the feeling that Gweedo's a bit new to RPG's in general, or is
>just
>being a pain in the ass... I'll opt to believe, for now, the first
>one...
>This isn't the first RPG that he didn't know about...
-------
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accidents. Yes I'm new to RPG's in general, but I'm a quick learner :^)
What other RPG's didn't I know about?


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Message no. 40
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:49:31 EST
On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:20:00 MST Denzil Kruse <dkruse@***.AZ05.BULL.COM>
writes:
>Did you ever figure out what the hell that voice was saying in that
>bar in
>the barrens where you meet your first Mr. Johnson? That drove me
>crazy! It
>seems like a little thing, but it kind of snowballed....
-------
This has got to be the console game. Every time I visited Johnson in a
bar when Roleplaying, I knew most of the voices were the GM's :->
----
>Pretty good game for a sega/nintendo - type game, but was to
>repetitious and
>I gave it up. I heard good things about the nintendo version, which
>is a
>different game. I hope they come out with a computer game for
>Shadowrun.
> Course if they do, it will probably require a pentium, which I don't
>have.
-----
It does get tedious after a little while ;-P I'm gonna finish it, and try
a campaign based on it, I think it will be cool.


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Message no. 41
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:51:37 +1000
> The last URL I have for it is http://www.ip.net/highlander/
> but my university's proxy server won't resolve the address.

Wouldn't work for me either.

Ray
Message no. 42
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Highlander -Reply
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:51:06 +1000
> hmm... if you have this highlander power, do you still have to check for
> magic loss if you get a deadly wound?

I would think so. You have still taken a deadly wound. Doesn't matter
whether it takes you 3 seconds or 3 months to recover, either way you took
a deadly wound and healed it.

Ray
Message no. 43
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Highlander -Reply
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:51:10 +0100
Denzil Kruse said on 15:02/19 Mar 97...

> >hmm... if you have this highlander power, do you still have to check for
> >magic loss if you get a deadly wound?
>
> That's a good question if you model the regeneration after the show instead
> of the regeneration power in the rules. In the show, it may take anywhere
> from 5 minutes to 5 hours, depending on what is needed in the script. At
> first I assumed a stronger immortal (not neccesarlity an older one) would
> come back faster, or it would depend on how much damage needs to be healed,
> but there is no consistency in the show.

That's not unusual with TV shows. Ever notice how they can hide swords a
meter long under nothing but a T-shirt and shorts?

I did some digging in my \Shadowrun directory, and found an old post of
mine that I'd saved... It may come in handy, or at least give some ideas:

To: smtp:"shadowrn@***.SURFNET.NL"
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 1994 7:38 pm
Subject: Re: Immortals in shadowrun world... - Reply - Reply

>I have already seen the movies and about 75%-90% of all the shows on TV.

The first movie was good, the second was a lot less, and the shows are OK,
all IMHO.

>I now would just like some ideas.

>Not that wea already have immortals and they are elves, CEO are the
>immortals,
>or what the prize they get and how it effects them.

I have thought about this a bit since this thread started, and this is more
or less what I came up with:

1) Immortals can be of any (meta)human race. You can explain this by either
saying that the orks, elves, and whatever, were born after the Awakening
(that is if you disregard the rather weak "alien from Zeist" story from
Highlander 2), or that they changed into the metahuman after the Awakening.

2) They have Regeneration power (see below), and can only be killed iftheir
head gets chopped off. When an immortal gets a Deadly wound from an edged
weapon, roll 1D6: 5 or 6 = head is gone. Deadly wound from other source
(gunshot, car crash, etc.) roll 2D6: 11+ = head gone.

3) No fighting between immortals on holy ground (or was it that they could
only fight on holy ground? I always get it mixed up...) If they do, nobonus
from killing their opponent (see point 4). You could define holy ground as
terrain with a background count of 2 or higher.

4) When an immortal kills another immortal (i.e. chops off the head), he
receives all knowledge from the other immortal. Accompanied by lightning
effects and all (which takes 1D6+1 Combat Turns), he thus gets a number of
points of Karma equal to, let's say, one-tenth the total amount of
Karmathat the other immortal collected in his/her lifetime.

5) The Prize is mortality. Once all other immortals have been killed, the
survivor has all their knowledge and karma, and becomes mortal. He alsogets
a few powers: Empathy, Magic Sense (Mana Detection in Paranormal Animals of
North America), and maybe some others.

About regeneration: I never liked FASA's description of that power. At the
end of the turn _all_ damage heals immediately? Why not say that
thecreature gets a number of points equal to its body, or maybe roll a Body
testagainst a Target Number = number of boxes filled in, and the number of
boxes retrieved is equal to the successes.

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Message no. 44
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:57:33 +0000
|Remember, Rip Claw is the Ass pain, I don't try at it, It's mostly
|accidents. Yes I'm new to RPG's in general, but I'm a quick learner :^)
|What other RPG's didn't I know about?

Well.... concidering that we don't know which RPGs you DO know about, the
list would be wayyyyyyyyy to long.....

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Message no. 45
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander -Reply
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:31:17 GMT
Midn Daniel O Fredrikson writes

> hmm... if you have this highlander power, do you still have to check for
> magic loss if you get a deadly wound?
>
probably, i don't remember seeing a version which avoided that, which
does offer the 'oops lose a magic point, oh dear lose 'highlander
power'...' which is another good reason to aviod silly powers like
this.

Mark
Message no. 46
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:16:35 -0700
Ray & Tamara wrote:
|
| > The last URL I have for it is http://www.ip.net/highlander/
| > but my university's proxy server won't resolve the address.
|
| Wouldn't work for me either.

Try http://mithral.iit.edu:8080/highlander/Roleplaying/

-David
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Message no. 47
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:33:33 -0500
Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote,
>Remember, Rip Claw is the Ass pain, I don't try at it, It's mostly
>accidents. Yes I'm new to RPG's in general, but I'm a quick learner :^)
>What other RPG's didn't I know about?

Should we start with the ones that have been out of print for years?
<grin> Speaking of which someone bought the Traveller material and have
rereleased it. There's one of the old school of RPG's for you.
And I will agree that you do find your feet rather quickly. You
never heard me complain. Ya did good kid.

- MC23, who is feeling old for calling someone kid -
"Those things happen with time."<sigh>
Message no. 48
From: "Mark A. Imbriaco" <mark@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:38:59 -0500
> On a side note, there is an excellent version of Highlander made for the
> World of Darkness stuff. I think it won some award at a European
> convention somewhere. It follows the format of the usual WoD rulebooks
> and it's avaiable totally free on the 'Net. I can fish up the URL if
> anyone wants it. Until then, I'll postpone using Netscape...

As chance would have it, last I heard I still hosted the 'official'
site
for the conversion: (I could be wrong, and there might be a newer
version out there somewhere. I haven't spoken with the author(s) in
well over a year.. :-)

http://www.itribe.net/highlander/

-Mark
Message no. 49
From: Mike Buckalew <mike_buckalew@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:10:05 -0000
>|I have played V:tm although I never heard of Wold of Darkness, is it all
>|of the systems lumped together in one game?
>
>No, it's the world where all the games are BASED....

Does this mean we should come with a catchy name for the world where all
the FASA games are based?

Earthdawn -> Shadowrun -> Battletech

Assuming BT takes place in the same world, is there any BT crossover with
the other games? Anything to deny it?


Buck (Mike Buckalew)
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Message no. 50
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:21:26 -0600
At 01:10 PM 3/20/97 -0000, Mike Buckalew wrote:
>Does this mean we should come with a catchy name for the world where all
>the FASA games are based?
No. It doesn't

>Earthdawn -> Shadowrun -> Battletech
>
>Assuming BT takes place in the same world, is there any BT crossover with
>the other games? Anything to deny it?
Deny it? Other than the fact it takes place in a thousand years and
there's no magic/horrors/elves/trolls/etc?

Other than that, there's nothing.


Mike Broadwater

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them much myself.
They're pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings."
Message no. 51
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:50:04 EST
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:57:33 +0000 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:
>Well.... concidering that we don't know which RPGs you DO know about,
>the
>list would be wayyyyyyyyy to long.....
>
>--
I was responding to Bull saying that there are other RPG's that I didn't
know about. I just wanted to know which ones he was talking about,
Spike, and MC23 :-)


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Message no. 52
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:49:14 -0500
At 10:45 PM 3/19/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote these timeless words:

>Remember, Rip Claw is the Ass pain, I don't try at it, It's mostly
>accidents. Yes I'm new to RPG's in general, but I'm a quick learner :^)
>What other RPG's didn't I know about?
>
Well... Best not to talk about Rip Claw... He's not well liked around
here...:]

No, that's cool, Gweedo... You have been picking things up and getting
much better, and much less annoying as of late, so congrats...:]

The other RPG I refered to was World of Darkness, which technically isn't
an RPG, but... I don't even like the White Wolf games and knew what WoD
meant...:]

Donb't worry... it gets easier... Sort of...:]

Bull
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Message no. 53
From: Eric Hall <esh7695@******.SDSMT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:00:54 +0000
Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM> wrote...
> >Earthdawn -> Shadowrun -> Battletech
> >
> >Assuming BT takes place in the same world, is there any BT crossover with
> >the other games? Anything to deny it?
> Deny it? Other than the fact it takes place in a thousand years and
> there's no magic/horrors/elves/trolls/etc?
>
So? That doesn't prove anything. In the world of Shadowrun circa 2000
there wasn't any magic/horrors/elves/trolls/etc. Well, OK their were, but
nobody knew about them. Who's to say that Btech doesn't take place during
a low magic period?

And with Ares having taken over NASA, I can see Battlemechs as a real
possibility :-).

Rone
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Message no. 54
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:42:20 -0500
Several things to consider with Highlander-type characters in shadowrun.
First, since most of them are quite wealthy and experienced in the ups and
downs of the world, they should have been quite prepared to move into
power during the times surrounding the awakening, if they weren't in power
already. This leads to some interesting shadowrun type ideas -- go kidnap
the exec from azetech cause the exec from Fuchi wants his
head...literately. :)

Secondly, Highlander-type immortals probably wouldn't be that powerful on
the grand scheme of things in comparison to some of the things already in
place. THe IE's have regeneration, and most of them are incredably
powerful magicians besides. The Vampire Magus have regen (obviously), are
incredably powerful mages, and have a host of other powers. And we don't
even want to talk about the dragons. Considering the difficulty an
immortal has in gaining quickening (ie finding another immortal) their
power curve is relatively low in comparison to their magical counterparts.
One probably would have to tweak with the concept of an immortal before
the were actually a comparable force.
Message no. 55
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:19:39 EST
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:21:26 -0600 Michael Broadwater
<mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM> writes:
>At 01:10 PM 3/20/97 -0000, Mike Buckalew wrote:
>>Does this mean we should come with a catchy name for the world where
>all
>>the FASA games are based?
>No. It doesn't
>
>>Earthdawn -> Shadowrun -> Battletech
>>
>>Assuming BT takes place in the same world, is there any BT crossover
>with
>>the other games? Anything to deny it?
>Deny it? Other than the fact it takes place in a thousand years and
>there's no magic/horrors/elves/trolls/etc?
>
>Other than that, there's nothing.
>
>

Well, hey! that could be the Seventh world! I always got the impression
that there was a much larger time gap than that between this world and
Battletech...like they were on a third time system (BC->AD->?) I've
always thought the time gap was more like 2000 or 3000....<shrug> but I
never actually bought Battletech, I just bough the Compendium (and never
finished reading it).


>Mike Broadwater

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Message no. 56
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:30:18 +0100
MC23 said on 10:33/20 Mar 97...

> Should we start with the ones that have been out of print for years?
> <grin> Speaking of which someone bought the Traveller material and have
> rereleased it. There's one of the old school of RPG's for you.

AFAIK Traveller wasn't bought by someone new, instead the rights to the
game went over to the original designer when GDW went out of business, and
he's set up a new company to bring out Traveller once again.

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Message no. 57
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:57:54 +0000
|
|On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:57:33 +0000 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
|writes:
|>Well.... concidering that we don't know which RPGs you DO know about,
|>the
|>list would be wayyyyyyyyy to long.....
|>
|>--
|I was responding to Bull saying that there are other RPG's that I didn't
|know about. I just wanted to know which ones he was talking about,
|Spike, and MC23 :-)

He was probably making a general comment.
(There are literally hundreds of RPGs out there....)
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Message no. 58
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:25:10 -0600
At 04:00 PM 3/20/97 +0000, Eric Hall wrote:
>Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM> wrote...
>> >Earthdawn -> Shadowrun -> Battletech
>> >
>> >Assuming BT takes place in the same world, is there any BT crossover with
>> >the other games? Anything to deny it?
>> Deny it? Other than the fact it takes place in a thousand years and
>> there's no magic/horrors/elves/trolls/etc?
>>
>So? That doesn't prove anything. In the world of Shadowrun circa 2000
>there wasn't any magic/horrors/elves/trolls/etc. Well, OK their were, but
>nobody knew about them. Who's to say that Btech doesn't take place during
>a low magic period?
>
Why not? Because magic cycles last 5000 years, that's why. Add to that
you think they would've mentioned "oh, yeah, remember a few hundred years
ago when there was all that magical shit?"

If you read about the BT universe and you know about the Sr universe,
you'll notice that they are fundamentally different.


Mike Broadwater

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Message no. 59
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Highlander
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:30:41 -0500
Gurth wrote,
>AFAIK Traveller wasn't bought by someone new, instead the rights to the
>game went over to the original designer when GDW went out of business, and
>he's set up a new company to bring out Traveller once again.

That sounds right. The "new" books do have the creator's name on
them. All I've ever done with Traveller was play in two different games
one setting each and own the original hardback release of the rules.

- MC23, who has revealed another hard to get hardbound rulebook he owns -
Message no. 60
From: ido idot@*******.net
Subject: Highlander
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 05:55:26 +0300
this page has immortal highlander rules, created for the 2nd edition; but i
guess they can be easily converted into 3rd edition. take a look, its got some
interesting stuff.

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/6216/Immortls.html

- Ido

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