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Message no. 1
From: Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:36:29 -0600
>|Only one Film, of which I have 2 copies. One
>|was the original US release, and one is the
>|letterbox, director's cut with the Eroupean
>|scene. one Film, 2 copies. I have them both
>|and there are no more.
>
>European scene?
>What's that then?

That's the WWII scene in which Connor finds
young Rachel, and saves her from the Germans.
He gets shot, doesn't died and she's horribly
confused. He tells her 'It's a kind of
magick.' And that makes the child calm down.

That's why, she smiles at him at the end,
when he gets into the elevator and says,
"hey, it's a kind of magick." It reinforces
the parent child bond that they share.

This scene, along with the one with Kurgan
licking the priests hand in the church, were
cut from the American release.

Gossamer
Message no. 2
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:40:13 +0000
|>European scene?
|>What's that then?
|
|That's the WWII scene in which Connor finds
|young Rachel, and saves her from the Germans.
|He gets shot, doesn't died and she's horribly
|confused. He tells her 'It's a kind of
|magick.' And that makes the child calm down.

SO, you're telling me that that scene isn't IN the american version
normally? It's a standard part of the film on this side of the pond....

|This scene, along with the one with Kurgan
|licking the priests hand in the church, were
|cut from the American release.

<smug>

Makes you glad to be British....

</smug>

I hope they didn't cut the duelling scene.....
That one was funny.....
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Message no. 3
From: "Fisher, Victor" <Victor-Fisher@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:43:56 -0500
>Gossamer said:
>
>This scene, along with the one with Kurgan
>licking the priests hand in the church, were
>cut from the American release.

Only in America would they cut a CLASS scene like that <snicker>
Message no. 4
From: Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:50:40 -0600
>I hope they didn't cut the duelling scene.....
>That one was funny.....


Everything after Connor says, "I apologize for calling
your wife a bloated warthog, and I bid you good day."
gets cut from the American release.

For those who don't know what happens next, you're
missing out. Go get the Director's cut.

Gossamer
Message no. 5
From: Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:01:35 -0600
>>Gossamer said:
>>
>>This scene, along with the one with Kurgan
>>licking the priests hand in the church, were
>>cut from the American release.
>
>Only in America would they cut a CLASS scene like that <snicker>

The worst part is that they only cut the 3 seconds of
tongue to hand to wrist. Everything else in the scene
is still there.

Puritans, can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em.

Gossamer
Message no. 6
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:20:41 -0500
> >|Only one Film, of which I have 2 copies. One
> >|was the original US release, and one is the
> >|letterbox, director's cut with the Eroupean
> >|scene. one Film, 2 copies. I have them both
> >|and there are no more.
> >
> >European scene?
> >What's that then?
>
> That's the WWII scene in which Connor finds
> young Rachel, and saves her from the Germans.
> He gets shot, doesn't died and she's horribly
> confused. He tells her 'It's a kind of
> magick.' And that makes the child calm down.
>
> That's why, she smiles at him at the end,
> when he gets into the elevator and says,
> "hey, it's a kind of magick." It reinforces
> the parent child bond that they share.
>
> This scene, along with the one with Kurgan
> licking the priests hand in the church, were
> cut from the American release.

Weird..the version I watched here in Maryland had both of those scenes...
I wonder how that worked...
Message no. 7
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 13:33:37 +1100
> That's why, she smiles at him at the end,
> when he gets into the elevator and says,
> "hey, it's a kind of magick." It reinforces
> the parent child bond that they share.
>
> This scene, along with the one with Kurgan
> licking the priests hand in the church, were
> cut from the American release.

They were?!?! That's worse blasphemy than HII! *sigh* The WWII scene was
my favourite from the whole movie - why would they cut that?

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 8
From: Gossamer <jrsnyder@********.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:25:14 -0600
>> That's why, she smiles at him at the end,
>> when he gets into the elevator and says,
>> "hey, it's a kind of magick." It reinforces
>> the parent child bond that they share.
>>
>> This scene, along with the one with Kurgan
>> licking the priests hand in the church, were
>> cut from the American release.
>
>They were?!?! That's worse blasphemy than [Blasphemy deleted] *sigh*
>The WWII scene was my favourite from the whole movie - why would
>they cut that?

As I understand from watching the interviews that follow the
film on the director's cut video, the hand licking scene was
cut because it was 'too racy' for American audiences.

The European scene was cut because it was not part of the
original shooting schedule. It was in the original script,
but got cut from the production script. They shot the whole
film, went back, and decided that they needed that scene,
but had run out of money for the shoot. So the director
and the producer paid to have that sequence shot, they did
it on a shoestring budget, and the actor who was to have
played the Nazi guy walked off due the substandard conditions.
The guy who ended up playing the role is the producer's
(or director's) nephew or cousin or something. If anyone
really cares, I'll watch the movie again just so I can
relay accurate information to you...

So the European scene was cut from American release because
of time constraints, and the fact that it was stylisticly
different from the rest of the film.

Oh, and in the opening wrestling scene, where Connor is
having flashbacks to his youth and all the fighting and
stuff that really give that scene the dramatic impact...
all the flashbacks were removed from the American release.
Fucking American Cultural Louts.

Go figure.

Gossamer
Message no. 9
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 13:17:51 +0500
On 23 Mar 97 at 13:33, Lady Jestyr wrote:
>
> They were?!?! That's worse blasphemy than HII! *sigh* The WWII scene
> was my favourite from the whole movie - why would they cut that?
>

Who knows. It is a disgusting trend in American cinema. Take
another example: I recently purchased a director's cut of
Terminator II with several cut scenes restored. One was a scene of
Sarah, while still in the hospital, dreaming about Kyle. Another, is
Sarah and John doing "surgery" on the Terminator, and a third of the
inventor of the Cyberdyne computer at home, working on his
revolutionary concept. They definitely added to the film. Why were
they cut? Makes no sense.

I would love to see that uncut version of Highlander. Anybody know if
it might be available at a video store?



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Message no. 10
From: John Jones <jjonnzz@********.INFI.NET>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:25:08 -0500
Fisher, Victor wrote:
>
> >Gossamer said:
> >
> >This scene, along with the one with Kurgan
> >licking the priests hand in the church, were
> >cut from the American release.
>
> Only in America would they cut a CLASS scene like that <snicker>

They also cut part of Fazeel's acrobatics out of the duel in the parking
deck....
Message no. 11
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:43:20 +0000
|Oh, and in the opening wrestling scene, where Connor is
|having flashbacks to his youth and all the fighting and
|stuff that really give that scene the dramatic impact...
|all the flashbacks were removed from the American release.
|Fucking American Cultural Louts.

So... When he's watching the wrestling, that's ALL that happens?
Do they actually HAVE the flashback scenes of his pre-immortality?

This is getting wierder by the minute...

I suppose they used the excuse that the Flashbacks would confuse the
American audiance?

Hehehehe....
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Message no. 12
From: TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:23:35 -0500
You wrote:
> So... When he's watching the wrestling, that's ALL that happens?
> Do they actually HAVE the flashback scenes of his pre-immortality?

> This is getting wierder by the minute...

> I suppose they used the excuse that the Flashbacks would confuse the
> American audiance?

Probably. You have to remember, over here in America we're too stupid to know
any better than to take everything at face value. Or at least that's how the
its going. I haven't seen the flick for a while, but I think they had the
flashbacks. Then again, I was watching it on video, and the owner of the tape
loved the movie, so it probably was the director's cut. What I don't understand
is how the movie would make any sense if the falshbacks were cut from the movie
completely? There wouldn't be any explanation as to why things were happening
like they were. You wouldn't have any history, which is really important in
Highlander. I have know idea where this babbling is going so I'll leave it at
that and let all of you figure out what I'm trying to say.

-The Immortal Mental- who's been up way too long to say anything coherent
Message no. 13
From: Gossamer <jrsnyder@********.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:20:18 -0600
>|Oh, and in the opening wrestling scene, where Connor is
>|having flashbacks to his youth and all the fighting and
>|stuff that really give that scene the dramatic impact...
>|all the flashbacks were removed from the American release.
>|Fucking American Cultural Louts.
>
>So... When he's watching the wrestling, that's ALL that happens?

Yes, He watches wrestling, and then goes to fight Fazil...
Honestly, I can't explain it.

>This is getting wierder by the minute...

You're telling me. I saw Highlander when it was originally released,
fell in love with it, then went to Europe on a trip, saw the
European release in Paris, and went... "Oh my God!"

>I suppose they used the excuse that the Flashbacks would confuse the
>American audiance?

I think their reasoning was (as with all corporate America) that
if you can cut 15 minutes out of a film, you can get one more
showing in per day...

>Hehehehe....

Is this an insult to my great, American heritage?

Gossamer

"I'm an angel. I kill first borns while their mommas watch.
I turn cities into salt. I even, when I feel like it, rip the
souls from little girls. And from now 'til Kingdom Come, the
only thing you can count on, in your existence, is never
understanding why."
-The Angel Gabriel, in "The Prophecy"
Message no. 14
From: Gossamer <jrsnyder@********.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:31:26 -0600
>Probably. You have to remember, over here in America we're too stupid to know
>any better than to take everything at face value. Or at least that's how the
>its going. I haven't seen the flick for a while, but I think they had the
>flashbacks. Then again, I was watching it on video, and the owner of the tape
>loved the movie, so it probably was the director's cut. What I don't understand
>is how the movie would make any sense if the falshbacks were cut from the movie
>completely?

Not the flashback scenes. During the wrestling scene, there were little
sight/sound bites (mini-flashbacks as my incredibly intelligent wife
just pointed out). First the Free-Birds beating up some no names, then
a Scottish Fight, then Free-Birds, then man getting slaughtered, then
Free-Birds, then sword swipe... And the musical score starts out Rock
and Roll then wafts into that haunting Highlander stuff, before finally
going back to Rock right before Connor goes to fight Fazil.

Go get the director's cut.

Gossamer
Message no. 15
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:12:29 +0000
On 24 Mar 97 at 10:43, Spike wrote:

> This is getting wierder by the minute...

And frustrating.

> I suppose they used the excuse that the Flashbacks would confuse the
> American audiance?
>
> Hehehehe....

Sad, but probably right. Same thing was said about why "The English
Patient" was not playing well... until it got a nod from Oscar.







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Message no. 16
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:12:29 +0000
On 23 Mar 97 at 23:25, John Jones wrote:

> They also cut part of Fazeel's acrobatics out of the duel in the
> parking deck....
>

Ok, guys, stop it. I can't take anymore! Hearing all the stuff that
was cut from the Highlander movie is raising my blood pressure.
:)


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Message no. 17
From: Gossamer <jrsnyder@********.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:20:20 -0600
>Ok, guys, stop it. I can't take anymore! Hearing all the stuff that
>was cut from the Highlander movie is raising my blood pressure.

That film is out there. It can't be bargianed with; it can't be
reasoned with; it doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and it
absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead.

Oh, sorry, wrong favorite movie.

Gossamer

PS your local video store will have a copy of the director's cut
of the film. Mine cost me $15.95. It's in letterbox, decent sound,
has all the right scenes (even the one showing Connor's relationship
with Kate in the beginning), has the original theatrical trailer,
and about 20 minutes or so of the director and producer talking
about the reasoning behind some of the best scenes...
Message no. 18
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:30:05 +0000
On 24 Mar 97 at 13:20, Gossamer wrote:

> That film is out there. It can't be bargianed with; it can't be
> reasoned with; it doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and it
> absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead.
>
> Oh, sorry, wrong favorite movie.

</aol>
Me too!
<aol> -HTML fun tags(tm>Spike's of Britain. All rights reserved.

> PS your local video store will have a copy of the director's cut of
> the film. Mine cost me $15.95. It's in letterbox, decent sound,
> has all the right scenes (even the one showing Connor's relationship
> with Kate in the beginning), has the original theatrical trailer,
> and about 20 minutes or so of the director and producer talking
> about the reasoning behind some of the best scenes...

Drool... I'll have to check it out. Thanks!



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Message no. 19
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:19:22 +0000
|>I suppose they used the excuse that the Flashbacks would confuse the
|>American audiance?
|
|I think their reasoning was (as with all corporate America) that
|if you can cut 15 minutes out of a film, you can get one more
|showing in per day...
|
|>Hehehehe....
|
|Is this an insult to my great, American heritage?

Of course...

:)
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Message no. 20
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:36:50 +0000
|</aol>
|Me too!
|<aol> -HTML fun tags(tm>Spike's of Britain. All rights reserved.

It has been reported that you are misusing Spikes HTML fun tags (tm).
The correct usage of these tags is <> to turn ON a feature, and </> to turn
it off.
Please cease and desist from this misuse, or a court order will be made
against you, prohibiting ALL further use of said HTML fun tags... (tm)

>*snigger*<
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Message no. 21
From: Matt Lee <mattlee@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:50:51 -0600
On all this Highlander stuff, I don't know about some of this stuff being
removed from the original US release cuz I haven't seen it in awhile, but
*ALL* of the Euro stuff I've heard mentioned here IS in the new Director's
cut which is an EXCELLENT recording as well. Very nice quality picture and
sound plus its letter boxed. If yer a Hlander fan(as I am) and you can, get
the new Director's cut. Also, I have a guide somewhere to all the scenes
that were changed from the Euro to US release and then I believe compared
to the new Director's Cut as well. It also lists and describes allof the
big major scenes that were removed from ALL versions some of which would've
been really good if they were included.(Computer Room Scene!!! :)


Matt
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Message no. 22
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Highlander Movie
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:28:28 +0100
Spike said on 10:43/24 Mar 97...

> So... When he's watching the wrestling, that's ALL that happens?
> Do they actually HAVE the flashback scenes of his pre-immortality?
>
> This is getting wierder by the minute...

It's starting to look like the Americans have only half a movie here :)

> I suppose they used the excuse that the Flashbacks would confuse the
> American audiance?
>
> Hehehehe....

I wouldn't be surprised *duck* :)

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Message no. 23
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Highlander movie
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:30:10 +1000
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