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Message no. 1
From: Kim Christiansen <kimc@**********.COM>
Subject: High Performance Engines
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:53:36 +0100
oopsy, I hate ms amil sometimes...

I'll use a regular ol' Chevrolet V-8 for this example :
(in this case a small block, displacing about 5 litres, or 302-305 cubic
inches for all you standard system folks)
OK, lets start with the basics the engine block
you will need to get a strong block
improved carberation or fuel injection
improved flow cylinder heads
increased flow or high performance intake manifold
improved performance camshafts
increased compression pistons
improved flow exhaust manifolds and tail pipes
increased energy ignition system

all of these ystems together add up to an engine that can produce some 400
horse power out of 5 litres!
Zooooom!

kim
Message no. 2
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: High Performance Engines
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:33:25 +0100
<snip tuning>

> all of these ystems together add up to an engine that can produce some 400
> horse power out of 5 litres!
> Zooooom!
>
> kim

Hmmmm- I do not understand a word... But... sounds very impressive...
;-)

Thanks!

ss
Message no. 3
From: Kim Christiansen <kimc@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: High Performance Engines
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:05:58 +0100
> From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>

> Hmmmm- I do not understand a word... But... sounds very impressive...
> ;-)
>
> Thanks!
>
> ss

You don't have to. But I will say that at current specs and US pricing, what
I described would take a qualified mechanic about a week of work to assemble
and tune, and about $6000 - $7000 in cost. Not for the faint of heart shall
we say. The motor would produce a lot of power, but would also increase
noise level output unless you designed an exhaust system using engineering
specs. Expensive, but can reduce noise output by a factor of 2 to 3 times.
Still noisier than a standard car (say a BMW, which you can barely hear at
all...unless you put your foot all of the way down on the accelerator)

Sometime I'll find a good IRL website for those wishing to examine what make
an internal combustion engine go and what makes a car go fast (suspension,
transmission, tires, shape, weight distribution etc, drekcetera)

kim
Message no. 4
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: High Performance Engines
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:37:27 +0100
> You don't have to. But I will say that at current specs and US pricing, what
> I described would take a qualified mechanic about a week of work to assemble
> and tune, and about $6000 - $7000 in cost.

hmmm... that would mach the cost for a shadowrun hp engine...

> Not for the faint of heart shall
> we say. The motor would produce a lot of power, but would also increase
> noise level output unless you designed an exhaust system using engineering
> specs. Expensive, but can reduce noise output by a factor of 2 to 3 times.
> Still noisier than a standard car

Well, this is something that you'll have to live with... 400
horsepower are noisy, no matter which exhaust system you use..

>(say a BMW, which you can barely hear at
> all...unless you put your foot all of the way down on the accelerator)

right, I recently drove my uncle's, and they are damned silent. But
they are not that powerful.
Just interested... how fast would the augmented car you described
accelerate from 0-100 km/h? (aestimated)

And finally, since you seem to know a lot about fast cars, could you
aestimate the horsepower and acceleration of fasa-cars like the saab
dynamite or the westwind?

Thanks
ss
Message no. 5
From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Re: High Performance Engines
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:16:03 -0800
>>(say a BMW, which you can barely hear at
>> all...unless you put your foot all of the way down on the accelerator)
>
>right, I recently drove my uncle's, and they are damned silent. But
>they are not that powerful.
>Just interested... how fast would the augmented car you described
>accelerate from 0-100 km/h? (aestimated)

Last time I knew, Bimmers like the M3 and others like it were some of
the quickest cars out of the factory. I know the new M3 sedan is the
quickest in America. 0-60mp/h in something like 5.6 or 5.7 seconds.

>And finally, since you seem to know a lot about fast cars, could you
>aestimate the horsepower and acceleration of fasa-cars like the saab
>dynamite or the westwind?

Wasn't directed at me, but horsepower is a hard thing to determine
based on what FASA gives us, isn't it? You have to take in the weight
of the car, whether is FWD, RWD, or AWD, drag, downforce, etc... Cars
like the Westwind (which is supposedly a really fast car *chuckle*)
would have around 3-400 horsepower, anything more and it would be
considerably faster... Taking into account things like full carbon-fibre
frames, new tire compounds, and stuff like that.

-Skye, "Cars are fun..."
Message no. 6
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: High Performance Engines
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:50:38 +0100
> Last time I knew, Bimmers like the M3 and others like it were some of
> the quickest cars out of the factory. I know the new M3 sedan is the
> quickest in America. 0-60mp/h in something like 5.6 or 5.7 seconds.

6.1 for the manual version, 6.9 for the automatic version to be
exact... sure this is powerful, but I know cars that are faster...
(And I dont talk about sports cars) However, I have no idea about
AMERICAN car's...

> Wasn't directed at me, but horsepower is a hard thing to determine
> based on what FASA gives us, isn't it? You have to take in the weight
> of the car, whether is FWD, RWD, or AWD, drag, downforce, etc...

Yep, that's why I asked somebody who seemed to know...

> Carslike the Westwind (which is supposedly a really fast car
> *chuckle*) would have around 3-400 horsepower, anything more and it
> would be considerably faster... Taking into account things like full
> carbon-fibre frames, new tire compounds, and stuff like that.

IMHO, a high horsepower rating does not necessarily lead to a high
maximum speed. The dodge viper has 450 horsepower, yet a maximum
speed of 'only' 290 km/h...
(only example I can think of at the moment)
That should about mach the saab dynamite.

ss
Message no. 7
From: Kim Christiansen <kimc@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: High Performance Engines
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:28:27 +0100
> From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
>
> >(say a BMW, which you can barely hear at
> > all...unless you put your foot all of the way down on the accelerator)
>
> right, I recently drove my uncle's, and they are damned silent. But
> they are not that powerful.
> Just interested... how fast would the augmented car you described
> accelerate from 0-100 km/h? (aestimated)

Well, the average acceleration of a beast like this to say 100kph(60mph)
would be about
6-7 seconds. Although these cars really shine in the 60Kph to 160Kph range.
And most
would be capable of speeds in excess of 260Kph.
Some modern sports cars get around 4.8 seconds to 5.5 seconds
(Corvette, Mitsubishi 3000gt, Toyota Supra)
The Mosler Intruder (formerly the Consulier) can accelerate 0-100Kph in
about 3.5 seconds. 1/4 mile speed of 120 Mph in 11.8 seconds!
wow.... it also costs $125,000 U.S.
These figures are very round figures. The following factors effect
acceleration (given all else equal):
-Weight of car
-Gear Ratios
-Tires
-Driver
-motor designed for Torque(power to turn the wheels, better 0-100kph)
or
-RPM(ability to continue to turn the wheels, better top speed and moving
acceleration)

> And finally, since you seem to know a lot about fast cars, could you
> aestimate the horsepower and acceleration of fasa-cars like the saab
> dynamite or the westwind?
>
With all of the lightweight composite materials I assumme the cars have in
them, their power would not have to be as great as some of the cars we think
of as fast today. A big BMW weighs a ton! The SAAB would also use a
TruboCharger to get that speed rating in the game (they use them today) so I
would estimate that the SAAB has a Horsepower rating of around 285 to 300,
and most probably a 6 or 7 speed automatic transmission connected to very
high gears. The Westwind would probably be supercharged and have more
horespower, but weigh more, something like 320 horsepower and a similiar
transmission. You'd be able to 'push button' up and down through the gears
or let the computer take over. They also would have active suspension and
computer controlled traction and power distribution to all four wheels!
These are my best guesses. The RBB is pretty lame over all so I have a hard
time translating to RL.

Hope this gibberish helps all!

kim

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