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Message no. 1
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject: HMHVV
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 14:15:05 -0800
Minotaur here is the list to the best of my knowledge:

Metahuman Race: Vampire type:
Dwarf Not known if possible
Elf Banshee
Human Vampire or Nosferatu
Ork Wendigo
Troll Dzoo-noo-qua

drh indicated that dwarves become goblins, but I think goblins are a distinct
paranatural race. Of course I don't have PHGNA or PNGE to consult on that.

No HMHVV type is indicated for Ghouls, which I think would be immune to HMHVV
since they are significantly magical (dual-natured) beings. Note that ghouls
goblinize from base human stock, just like the other metahuman species.

drh asked:

>>I was wondering about the "werewolfization" of the other human races
myself.
>>Humans get to become loup-garou (lucky us). What would a galloping Troll-
>>garou become? Besides icky, of course.

Shapechangers are not human. They are intelligent animals that can turn
themselves into humans (not elves, dwarfs, orks, or trolls). It's right there
in the basic rulebook.
Message no. 2
From: Doctor Doom <jch8169@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 22:19:13 -0600
Von Herrn Nightstalker:

> Metahuman Race: Vampire type:
> Dwarf Not known if possible
> Elf Banshee
> Human Vampire or Nosferatu
> Ork Wendigo
> Troll Dzoo-noo-qua

and...

Sasquatch Bandersnatch

> drh indicated that dwarves become goblins, but I think goblins are a distinct
> paranatural race. Of course I don't have PHGNA or PNGE to consult on that.

According to Paranormals of Europe, Goblins are indeed the HMHVV version of
Dwarfs. There is also another HMHVV variant of the Troll, although the name
eludes me at the moment.

Personally, I prefer my own version when the above question was first posed,
namely Redcaps. Perhaps I shall seek out my copy and post it yet again.

> No HMHVV type is indicated for Ghouls, which I think would be immune to HMHVV
> since they are significantly magical (dual-natured) beings. Note that ghouls
> goblinize from base human stock, just like the other metahuman species.

And are decidedly unpleasant company.


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Message no. 3
From: Sam Bowley <BOWLEYSE@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: HMHVV
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 22:11:28 -0500
Greetings All,

Has anybody used the human-metahuman vampiric virus? What did you
do, and how did it go over?

Longbow
Message no. 4
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:58:45 -0600
On Sat, 4 Feb 1995, Sam Bowley wrote:

> Has anybody used the human-metahuman vampiric virus? What did you
> do, and how did it go over?

Yea, I did it once. I grew these fangs and wanted to drink blood.

But I grew out of it after a while

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Message no. 5
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:05:27 -0500
At 15-Aug-97 wrote Gabriel Sims:

>Hiya People!!

>Just a quick (hopefully) question:

>If humans turn into vampires, what do:

>Trolls turn into?

Dzoo-Noo-Quas

>Dwarves turn into?

Goblins

>Elves turn into?

Banshees

>(heheheheh) Ghouls turn into?

I don`t know if this is possible, since they are created though
the Krieger form of the hmhvv.
I think that both forms of the virus are incompatible, so they
will be just stay dead after an infection with the normal hmhvv.
And besides that which vampire will bite a stinking, rotting living corpse?
Except in a great need for essence.

>(maniacal laughter) Shapeshifters turn into?

Maybe we get this way the real Lycanthrope?
Can you imagine what the result will be alike?
An animal with a thirst for blood coupled with frightening powers,
posssible on a fast rode to complet madness.
Not nice. Not nice.
I hope noone will do this to me<shrudder>


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Message no. 6
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:51:22 -0600
> /I think any cure would do precious little good, considering they'd be dead
from
> /a complete and total lack of essence anyway.
>
> Huh? <Arnold> What you talkin about Nexxis? </Arnold>
>
> Victims of HMHVV are not undead.

Considering the way a new vampire is created (its "sire" to use the WW
term
drains all of its essence), I'd say its pretty much got problems maintaining
life functions. They may not be undead, but that raises a new problem.

Lets say you cure the person of HMHVV, just after he's had a couple big meals.
He's maxxed out on essence, so you now have someone who is, for all intents
and purpose human, but with a 12 essence (the max the humanoid frame can
handle) How do you deal with someone who can spend half the day in Astral
Space (since a higher proportion of HMHVV infected individuals are magically
active), can heal magically with barely a thought, or can cyber to the gills
and not blink.

Another question raised by HMHVV: What is a vampire's (I'm using that because
its the simplest for me to remember, but one can include Banshee, Dzoo'no'qua,
goblins and wendigo) magic rating? Everytime his essence goes down, his magic
rating does, too, right? So do the magically active ones have to feed more
often in order to keep their power?

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bardagh
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
ICQ 8108186 , AIM handle Nexx3
************
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paradise of the eye.........
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poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find
that money cannot be eaten.
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Message no. 7
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:35:49 -0700
Nexx wrote:
/
/ > /I think any cure would do precious little good, considering they'd be dead
/ from
/ > /a complete and total lack of essence anyway.
/ >
/ > Huh? <Arnold> What you talkin about Nexxis? </Arnold>
/ >
/ > Victims of HMHVV are not undead.
/
/ Considering the way a new vampire is created (its "sire" to use the WW
term
/ drains all of its essence), I'd say its pretty much got problems maintaining
/ life functions. They may not be undead, but that raises a new problem.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but 0 essence does not equal death. It's
when you go below zero that you die.

/ Lets say you cure the person of HMHVV, just after he's had a couple big meals.
/ He's maxxed out on essence, so you now have someone who is, for all intents
/ and purpose human, but with a 12 essence (the max the humanoid frame can
/ handle) How do you deal with someone who can spend half the day in Astral
/ Space (since a higher proportion of HMHVV infected individuals are magically
/ active), can heal magically with barely a thought, or can cyber to the gills
/ and not blink.

The HMHVV allowed him to store essence. Without the HMHVV he's right
back where he started (barring addition of cyberware and such after
contracting the disease). If a vampire was cured would you let him
keep the Regeneration power?

/Another question raised by HMHVV: What is a vampire's (I'm using that because
/ its the simplest for me to remember, but one can include Banshee, Dzoo'no'qua,
/ goblins and wendigo) magic rating? Everytime his essence goes down, his magic
/ rating does, too, right? So do the magically active ones have to feed more
/ often in order to keep their power?

It doesn't say (AFAIK). Decide what you want for your game and go
for it :)

-David
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Message no. 8
From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
Subject: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:35:49 -0600
Where can I find information on this...the kind of info one would find if
doing research on it.

Ed


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Message no. 9
From: Jörg-Olaf_Melcher <jom@********.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:47:04 +0100
HMHVV
n., adj. The mutating blood-borne disease responsible for vampires. From,
"Human-Metahuman Vampiric Virus."

n. = noun; adj. = adjective

JOM

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Ed
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 4:36 PM
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: HMHVV
>
>
> Where can I find information on this...the kind of info one would find if
> doing research on it.
>
> Ed
>
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Message no. 10
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:51:36 EST
In a message dated 11/25/1998 10:35:38 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
equine@***********.COM writes:

>
> Where can I find information on this...the kind of info one would find if
> doing research on it.
>
Most of the information is in the Paranormal's books, IIRC. Won't swear to
it.

-K
Message no. 11
From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
Subject: HMHVV
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:58:12 -0600
>You'd have to come out with different versions... Top Ten Ways to tell if
>an Elf chummer has HMHVV, an Ork chummer, a Troll Chummer, a Human
>Chummer, or a Dwarf chummer... all are different...

You mean it effects races dfferently? I did not know this. Ok lets just
say it is a Human.

(Sorry I forgot to change the Subject in that last message...I just replied
to one I had sitting in my box.)

Ed
Message no. 12
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:56:57 -0600
----------
> From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
>
> >You'd have to come out with different versions... Top Ten Ways to tell
if
> >an Elf chummer has HMHVV, an Ork chummer, a Troll Chummer, a Human
> >Chummer, or a Dwarf chummer... all are different...
>
> You mean it effects races dfferently?

Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins are
Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.

--
Rev. Mark Hall
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
*
Is not the sky a father and the earth a mother, and are not all living
things with wings and feet or roots their children?
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Message no. 13
From: Geoff Skellams <geoff.skellams@*********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:05:24 +1100
On Shadowrun Discussion, Nexx[SMTP:nexx@********.NET] wrote:
> ----------
> > From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
> >
> > >You'd have to come out with different versions... Top Ten Ways to
tell
> if
> > >an Elf chummer has HMHVV, an Ork chummer, a Troll Chummer, a Human
> > >Chummer, or a Dwarf chummer... all are different...
> >
> > You mean it effects races dfferently?
>
> Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins
are
> Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.

IIRC, there are also other strains of the virus which can create other
sorts of creatures. From memory, ghouls are caused by a strain and I
think there are others (werewolves?).

cheers
G

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Message no. 14
From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:11:44 -0600
At 10:56 PM 12/8/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins are
>Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.

So in the Trilogy SR novels Janice is human...gets goblinized to an Ork and
then gets HMHVV which turns her into a Wendigo. I was wondering how that
worked. Actually from what I understood someone infected her with the virus.

Ed
Message no. 15
From: Philippe Garneau <pgarneau@****.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:28:17 -0500
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
À : SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date : 9 décembre, 1998 00:05
Objet : Re: HMHVV
>>
>> You mean it effects races dfferently?
>
>Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins are
>Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.


Aren't HMHVVized Elves called Banshees?

Phil
Message no. 16
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:25:59 -0600
----------
> From: Philippe Garneau <pgarneau@****.ULAVAL.CA>
> >
> >Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins
are
> >Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.
>
>
> Aren't HMHVVized Elves called Banshees?

Yes, but Banshee is the English bastardization of the Gaelic Bean Sidhe.
Message no. 17
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:34:27 +1000
Philippe Garneau writes:
> De : Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
> >Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins are
>
> Aren't HMHVVized Elves called Banshees?

Nexx was showing off... Bean Sidhe is the Gaelic spelling, and the root
word. It gets pronounced BAN Shee, and hence the Anglicised version is spelt
that way.

(Bean probably means something to indicate the state of the being in
question, seeing as how the Sidhe part refers to elves/fairies/spirits, etc)

Now stop showing off, Nexx! :)

--
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Message no. 18
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:32:36 -0600
----------
> From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
>
> Now stop showing off, Nexx! :)

I'm not showing off... I'm studying Gaelic in the evenings, and sometimes
forget to re-anglicanize...
Message no. 19
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:29:11 EST
In a message dated 12/9/1998 12:04:07 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
nexx@********.NET writes:

>
> Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins are
> Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.

Well actually, there are also Nosferatu (human) with HMHVV (Krieger Strain)
and another type entirely for the trolls (name evades me atm).

-K
Message no. 20
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:31:38 EST
In a message dated 12/9/1998 12:09:43 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
geoff.skellams@*********.COM.AU writes:

>
> IIRC, there are also other strains of the virus which can create other
> sorts of creatures. From memory, ghouls are caused by a strain and I
> think there are others (werewolves?).
>
> cheers
> G
>
Nope, sorry to say that Werewolves aren't in the list, at least not at this
time. I do know however that I have *finally* come up with a type of real,
honest to evilness, Lycanthrope using the rules as they stand and even why
they could exist.

Hopefully, it will mark the first Critter entry onto HHH by the end of this
week.

-K
Message no. 21
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:33:39 EST
In a message dated 12/9/1998 12:30:52 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
pgarneau@****.ULAVAL.CA writes:

>
> >Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins are
> >Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.
>
>
> Aren't HMHVVized Elves called Banshees?
>
> Phil

Why yes Phil, they are. And the Bean Sidhe (as spell in the above) is
actually a spirit type...

-K
Message no. 22
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:56:05 +0000
> Nexx was showing off... Bean Sidhe is the Gaelic spelling, and the root
> word. It gets pronounced BAN Shee, and hence the Anglicised version is spelt
> that way.
>
> (Bean probably means something to indicate the state of the being in
> question, seeing as how the Sidhe part refers to elves/fairies/spirits, etc)

It would not surprise me if the meaning is 'bane'.

As for using Bean Sidhe or Banshee.. as long as the two are separate
creatures in SR, it's wise to keep them separate in terminology,
unlike mythically.

Regards,
Fade
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"To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven."
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Message no. 23
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:59:02 +0000
and thus did Robert Watkins speak on 9 Dec 98 at 15:34:

> Nexx was showing off... Bean Sidhe is the Gaelic spelling, and the
> root word. It gets pronounced BAN Shee, and hence the Anglicised
> version is spelt that way.
>
> (Bean probably means something to indicate the state of the being in
> question, seeing as how the Sidhe part refers to
> elves/fairies/spirits, etc)

I checked it and Bean means woman, and that makes a lot of sense if
it's a general disease for all elves and not just the women :).

<Bill & Ted voice>
NOT!!
</Bill & Ted voice>

I figure those male Banshees are looking at a serious identity
crisis >:). Apart from the fact that they have the same name as a
female avenging spirit.

Not showing off, got it all from a dictionary :P



Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 24
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:15:07 +1000
>I checked it and Bean means woman, and that makes a lot of sense if
>it's a general disease for all elves and not just the women :).
>
><Bill & Ted voice>
>NOT!!
></Bill & Ted voice>
>
>I figure those male Banshees are looking at a serious identity
>crisis >:). Apart from the fact that they have the same name as a
>female avenging spirit.

Well, taking this seriously for a moment... there are lots of varieties of
such legends. However, the most common versions correlate on the point that
the banshee was a female spirit with a piercing wail, whose shriek would be
heard either warning of impending death or straight afterwards.

Don't ask me how elf vampires are equivalent to depressed dead women,
because I don't wanna know.

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 25
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:45:28 -0700
For the mere cost of a Thaum, Robert Watkins wrote:
/
/ Philippe Garneau writes:
/ > De : Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
/ > >Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins are
/ >
/ > Aren't HMHVVized Elves called Banshees?
/
/ Nexx was showing off... Bean Sidhe is the Gaelic spelling, and the root
/ word. It gets pronounced BAN Shee, and hence the Anglicised version is spelt
/ that way.
/
/ (Bean probably means something to indicate the state of the being in
/ question, seeing as how the Sidhe part refers to elves/fairies/spirits, etc)

I suddenly find myself imagining an adventure where the characters are
hired by, or are trying to find, Mr. Bean (who's name the see only in
writing so they have no idea it's pronounced "Ban") Would that be a red
hering or what? <EGMG>

-David B.
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Message no. 26
From: Shaun Gilroy <shaung@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:48:28 -0500
At 12:15 AM 12/10/98 +1000, you wrote:
>>I figure those male Banshees are looking at a serious identity
>>crisis >:). Apart from the fact that they have the same name as a
>>female avenging spirit.
>
>Well, taking this seriously for a moment... there are lots of varieties of
>such legends. However, the most common versions correlate on the point that
>the banshee was a female spirit with a piercing wail, whose shriek would be
>heard either warning of impending death or straight afterwards.
>
>Don't ask me how elf vampires are equivalent to depressed dead women,
>because I don't wanna know.

There is a simple Redn- er, Backwoods-type explanation for this phenomenon:
"Alla dem piskies look the same ta me! How was I supposed ta know that
skinny long-hair was a man?"

:P

>Lady Jestyr


(>)noysh the spoonë bard
-> jack of all trades, master of none. <-
Message no. 27
From: John Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:09:34 -0500
K in the Shadows wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/9/1998 12:04:07 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> nexx@********.NET writes:
>
> >
> > Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins are
> > Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.
>
> Well actually, there are also Nosferatu (human) with HMHVV (Krieger Strain)
> and another type entirely for the trolls (name evades me atm).

I believe that's a Bandersnatch (IIRC). Out of PAoNA, I think. Maybe.

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Does anybody see?
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Message no. 28
From: John Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:28:06 -0500
Geoff Skellams wrote:
> IIRC, there are also other strains of the virus which can create other
> sorts of creatures. From memory, ghouls are caused by a strain and I
> think there are others (werewolves?).

Well, lessee here:
Orks => Wendigo (SR2)
Trolls => Fomorian (PAoE)**
=> Dzoo-Noo-Qua (PAoNA)
Dwarves => Goblin (PAoE)**
Humans => Vampire (SR2)
=> Nosferatu (PAoE)***
Elves => Banshee (SR2)
? => Loup Garou (PAoNA) *
? => Bandersnatch (PAoNA) *
Any => Ghoul (T:UCAS)****

* I think that both Loup Garou and Bandersnatch are vampiric based on a
refernce in Threats, but I don't own the book that actually contains
information on them, so I can't actually confirm that (and there's
probably someone or three [hundred] who can confirm/deny/beat down that
bit of information:). Also note that the response I sent a few minutes
ago is incorrect: the Bandersnatch isn't (to my knowledge) an HMHVV
troll. The Fomorian *is* and was what I should have said.
** Strain II HMHVV infected
*** The Nosferatu variant of the HMHVV virus destroys all non-human
victims
**** The Krieger strain of HMHVV is significantly different from other
strains, be sure to read T:UCAS for information on it. It should be
noted that the information in T:UCAS concerning ghouls directly
conflicts with previous information (SR2) on them, with only a mild
explanation as to why.

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Message no. 29
From: Shaun Gilroy <shaung@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:31:42 -0500
At 12:09 PM 12/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>K in the Shadows wrote:
>> In a message dated 12/9/1998 12:04:07 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>> nexx@********.NET writes:
>>
>> >
>> > Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins=
are
>> > Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.
>>
>> Well actually, there are also Nosferatu (human) with HMHVV (Krieger=
Strain)
>> and another type entirely for the trolls (name evades me atm).
>
>I believe that's a Bandersnatch (IIRC). Out of PAoNA, I think. Maybe.

Actually, Bandersnatch is a sasquatch with HMHVV. The troll variety is
called 'Dzoo noo Qua'.

If you see one say 'eeek!' and run away like any respectable Shadowrunner
would. >;)

>John Pederson

(>)noysh the spoonë bard
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Message no. 30
From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:01:39 -0600
Well I was hoping for some humorous top ten things to give my player.
Something like...

Top 10 ways to tell if your chummer has HMHVV or HVV.

10. He finds the rooms at a coffin hotel to have adequate living space.
etc...

I guess I could just be serious and give him a list of actual signs that
someone has the virus.
(boring)
Ed
Message no. 31
From: Micheal Feeney <Starrngr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:10:48 EST
In a message dated 98-12-09 12:38:23 EST, you write:

> Actually, Bandersnatch is a sasquatch with HMHVV. The troll variety is
> called 'Dzoo noo Qua'.
>
> If you see one say 'eeek!' and run away like any respectable Shadowrunner
> would. >;)

Or pray you happen to have a small tac-nuke in your back pocket, Noyish!!!!

<<Insert rimshot.wav here>>

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Message no. 32
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:33:08 -0500
Ed wrote:
> Well I was hoping for some humorous top ten things to give my player.
> Something like...
>
Well, why didn't you *say* so?

> Top 10 ways to tell if your chummer has HMHVV or HVV.
>
> 10. He finds the rooms at a coffin hotel to have adequate living space.
> etc...
>
9. No matter how posh the restaurant, he'll never order steak.
8. He won't date italians.
7. He doesn't have any nosy neighbours. For long.
6. Two words: neck fetish.
5. Thinks of enemy riggers as "Meals on Wheels"
4. Likes licking people's wounds clean.
3. Nobody you've asked has seen him hungry.
2. Avoids crosswalks like the plague.
1. Sleeps in a humidifier.

How's that? :-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 33
From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:40:20 -0600
At 01:33 PM 12/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
(top ten snipped)

Very good. Thank you. How much do I owe you? :)

Ed
Message no. 34
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:50:44 -0500
K in the Shadows wrote:

> In a message dated 12/9/1998 12:04:07 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> nexx@********.NET writes:
>
> >
> > Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins are
> > Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.
>
> Well actually, there are also Nosferatu (human) with HMHVV (Krieger Strain)
> and another type entirely for the trolls (name evades me atm).
>
> -K

Fomorians? Although I don't think Fomorians are vampiric...


--Jett

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occasional advice or insult."
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Message no. 35
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:53:11 -0500
K in the Shadows wrote:

>
> Nope, sorry to say that Werewolves aren't in the list, at least not at this
> time. I do know however that I have *finally* come up with a type of real,
> honest to evilness, Lycanthrope using the rules as they stand and even why
> they could exist.
>
> Hopefully, it will mark the first Critter entry onto HHH by the end of this
> week.
>
> -K

As you probably know (or don't know) I'm working on a supplement for an
HMHVV-variant virus that causes lycanthropy. In fact, I'll probably be posting
what I have so far sometime soon so I can get some feedback, as some of the
numbers I'm a little unsure of.


--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


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occasional advice or insult."
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Message no. 36
From: Brian and Shannon <bcsnskm@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:48:26 -0000
Hmm let me take a stab at this:
10> Feels the need to incessantly count objects and then
laugh afterwards i.e. "One, One Street Samurai, Ha,Ha,HA"
9> Always turns to mist at the sign of a dinner check, oh
wait, that's a college student: )
8> Develops a cape fetish
7> Starts receiving calls from supermodels looking for
dieting tips
6> Suddenly starts hanging out with a guy named Renfield
5> Stops seeing his normal Street Doc after a embarrassing situation at the
Coroner's office
4> Starts demanding Blood Tests from everyone he runs with
3> Keeps being followed by strange teenagers who call him "Our Dark Lord"
2> Starts Buying SPF 6000 sun block by the case
1> Two Words: Death Breath
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Message no. 37
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:55:11 -0500
Lady Jestyr wrote:

>
>
> Well, taking this seriously for a moment... there are lots of varieties of
> such legends. However, the most common versions correlate on the point that
> the banshee was a female spirit with a piercing wail, whose shriek would be
> heard either warning of impending death or straight afterwards.
>
> Don't ask me how elf vampires are equivalent to depressed dead women,
> because I don't wanna know.
>
> I think it's because the Banshee's wail in both SR and legend instills fear
> and foretells death...or imminent drainage, if you can't outrun the
> thing...considering vampiric types need a strong emotion to feed off of, I'm
> sure fear does quite nicely...

--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
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Message no. 38
From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:56:55 -0500
Quoting Jett (zmjett@*********.COM):
> > Don't ask me how elf vampires are equivalent to depressed dead women,
> > because I don't wanna know.
> >
> > I think it's because the Banshee's wail in both SR and legend instills fear
> > and foretells death...or imminent drainage, if you can't outrun the
> > thing...considering vampiric types need a strong emotion to feed off of, I'm
> > sure fear does quite nicely...

Well, I think it went like this: first, they must be undead, because
they're ghost-like. Second, they must be elven, because the original banshee
('Bain Sidhe') of legend were Fae.
And after all, AD&D said they were elven ghosts, so it must be
true....

--Sean

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Message no. 39
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:48:00 -0500
Ed wrote:
> At 01:33 PM 12/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
> (top ten snipped)
>
> Very good. Thank you. How much do I owe you? :)
>
5 karma, and as much wood as a... Err... Better not go there.
:-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 40
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:20:23 -0700
For the mere cost of a Thaum, Ed wrote:
/
/ Well I was hoping for some humorous top ten things to give my player.
/ Something like...
/
/ Top 10 ways to tell if your chummer has HMHVV or HVV.
/
/ 10. He finds the rooms at a coffin hotel to have adequate living space.
/ etc...

Oh, you mean like:

10. He's been slurping his soup lately.
9. His constant itching isn't to bad, but his flaking skin is really
starting to get on your nerves.
8. His odor eaters just aren't doing the job anymore.
7. Saturday night fever has taken on a whole new definition.
6. My chummer, what big teeth you have.
5. He can't do the math to pay the restaurant bill, but he can eat a 10
pound steak in 5 minutes.
4. The steak is rare.
3. He shrugs off 15 rounds from a minigun like it was nothin.
2. He rips the guy with the minigun in half without any effort.
1. He's a fraggin troll!

-David B.
--
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Message no. 41
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:52:02 -0600
On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:05:24 +1100 Geoff Skellams
<geoff.skellams@*********.COM.AU> writes:
>On Shadowrun Discussion, Nexx[SMTP:nexx@********.NET] wrote:
>> ----------
>> > From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
>> >
>> > >You'd have to come out with different versions... Top Ten Ways to
tell if
>> > >an Elf chummer has HMHVV, an Ork chummer, a Troll Chummer, a Human
>> > >Chummer, or a Dwarf chummer... all are different...

>> > You mean it effects races dfferently?

>> Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves, Goblins
are
>> Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.

>IIRC, there are also other strains of the virus which can create other
>sorts of creatures. From memory, ghouls are caused by a strain and I
>think there are others (werewolves?).

The loup Garou is what you are thinking of when said werewolves ... I
don't remember if they were maid by a variation of the HMHVV ...

There's also, Nosferatu (Human), Fomorian (Troll), and Bandersnatch was
possibly a vampiric Sasquatch (IIRC)... Any thing that I missed?

Corpselight has Vampiric Powers but I don't recall it being a vampire...

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Message no. 42
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:06:25 -0600
On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:53:11 -0500 Jett <zmjett@*********.COM> writes:
>K in the Shadows wrote:

>> Nope, sorry to say that Werewolves aren't in the list, at least not at
this
>> time. I do know however that I have *finally* come up with a type of
real,
>> honest to evilness, Lycanthrope using the rules as they stand and even
why
>> they could exist.
>>
>> Hopefully, it will mark the first Critter entry onto HHH by the end of
this
>> week.

>As you probably know (or don't know) I'm working on a supplement for an
>HMHVV-variant virus that causes lycanthropy. In fact, I'll probably be
posting
>what I have so far sometime soon so I can get some feedback, as some of
the
>numbers I'm a little unsure of.

Uhm ... I know viriI mutate and all, but isn't the HMHVV getting a bit
broad? I mean is this a virus or classification of virii? And aren't
some critters infected with it classified as vampires only because they
are infected with it? For example, the Fomorian cannot drain essence and
does not suffer essence loss (as per the critter weakness) ...

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Message no. 43
From: Adam Baker <apocrytha@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:53:05 -0600
At 10:58 PM 12/8/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>You'd have to come out with different versions... Top Ten Ways to tell if
>>an Elf chummer has HMHVV, an Ork chummer, a Troll Chummer, a Human
>>Chummer, or a Dwarf chummer... all are different...
>
>You mean it effects races dfferently? I did not know this. Ok lets just
>say it is a Human.
>
>(Sorry I forgot to change the Subject in that last message...I just replied
>to one I had sitting in my box.)
>
> Ed
>
>
Humans can turn into your general Vampire, Loup-Garou, Ghoul and Nosferatu
9think thats all). Nosferatu would be the much more feared one. They are
only in Europe though and are schizoid as hell....
Message no. 44
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:49:09 -0500
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root
>/ word. It gets pronounced BAN Shee, and hence the Anglicised version
is spelt
>/ that way.

>I suddenly find myself imagining an adventure where the characters
are
>hired by, or are trying to find, Mr. Bean (who's name the see only in
>writing so they have no idea it's pronounced "Ban") Would that be a
red
>hering or what? <EGMG>

Ah, but won't Rowan Atkinson be dead by 2060? :)

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Message no. 45
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:03:27 EST
In a message dated 12/9/1998 12:16:46 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:

>
> > Well actually, there are also Nosferatu (human) with HMHVV (Krieger
Strain)
>
> > and another type entirely for the trolls (name evades me atm).
>
> I believe that's a Bandersnatch (IIRC). Out of PAoNA, I think. Maybe.
>
Nah, the Bandersnatch is from the Sasquatch. I had forgotten about the Ghouls
that someone else had mentioned (bad of me, considering my Werewolf rewrite).
I'm sure someone else has more motivation than I do with regards to this
information and just getting up and sliding the chair 3 feet to pick up the
books.....

-K
Message no. 46
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:05:01 EST
In a message dated 12/9/1998 12:36:00 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:

>
> Well, lessee here:
> Orks => Wendigo (SR2)
> Trolls => Fomorian (PAoE)**

*THIS* is the one I was trying to think of...

> => Dzoo-Noo-Qua (PAoNA)
> Dwarves => Goblin (PAoE)**
> Humans => Vampire (SR2)
> => Nosferatu (PAoE)***
> Elves => Banshee (SR2)
> ? => Loup Garou (PAoNA) *
> ? => Bandersnatch (PAoNA) *

This is that Sasquatch thing I mentioned...

> Any => Ghoul (T:UCAS)****


You know, I seem to recall that the "Ghoul Strain" does NOT work with regards
to elves, or at least that at the time of a given book/story writing, there
had been no "elven ghouls" as of that time.

Can anyone confirm/deny this?

-K
Message no. 47
From: John Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:07:45 -0500
K in the Shadows wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/9/1998 12:36:00 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>
> >
> > Well, lessee here:
> > Orks => Wendigo (SR2)
> > Trolls => Fomorian (PAoE)**
>
> *THIS* is the one I was trying to think of...

I realised that ever-so-useful bit of information shortly after I sent
the first reply to you:)

> > => Dzoo-Noo-Qua (PAoNA)
> > Dwarves => Goblin (PAoE)**
> > Humans => Vampire (SR2)
> > => Nosferatu (PAoE)***
> > Elves => Banshee (SR2)
> > ? => Loup Garou (PAoNA) *
> > ? => Bandersnatch (PAoNA) *
>
> This is that Sasquatch thing I mentioned...

Yeah, I understand that they're fun things to play tag and
hide-and-go-seek with :) (mmm... Adaptive Coloration... +3D6
Initiative...)

> > Any => Ghoul (T:UCAS)****
>
> You know, I seem to recall that the "Ghoul Strain" does NOT work with
regards
> to elves, or at least that at the time of a given book/story writing, there
> had been no "elven ghouls" as of that time.
>
> Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Not I, even after perusing the stuff in T:UCAS semi-carefully.

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Message no. 48
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:13:53 +0100
According to David Buehrer, at 7:45 on 9 Dec 98, the word on
the street was...

> I suddenly find myself imagining an adventure where the characters are
> hired by, or are trying to find, Mr. Bean (who's name the see only in
> writing so they have no idea it's pronounced "Ban") Would that be a red
> hering or what? <EGMG>

And when they find him, they end up with a complete idiot driving a yellow
Mini... :)

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Message no. 49
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:13:53 +0100
According to Jett, at 13:50 on 9 Dec 98, the word on
the street was...

> > Well actually, there are also Nosferatu (human) with HMHVV (Krieger Strain)
> > and another type entirely for the trolls (name evades me atm).
>
> Fomorians? Although I don't think Fomorians are vampiric...

Fomorians are trolls infected with HMHVV, yes. One of my players found out
the hard way that his character, after being voluntarily bitten by a
vampire, developed all kinds of traits his research hadn't discovered --
like the stuff is skin started secreting that ate away his clothes ;)

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Message no. 50
From: ArcLight <arclight@**************.COM>
Subject: AW: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:10:40 +0100
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Shadowrun Discussion [mailto:SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET]Im
> Auftrag von Jett
> Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 1998 19:51
> An: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Betreff: Re: HMHVV
>
> K in the Shadows wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 12/9/1998 12:04:07 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> > nexx@********.NET writes:
> >
> > >
> > > Yep. Wendigo are Orks with the virus, Bean Sidhe are Elves,
> Goblins are
> > > Dwarves, Dzoo no qua are trolls, and vampires are humans.
> >
> > Well actually, there are also Nosferatu (human) with HMHVV
> (Krieger Strain)
> > and another type entirely for the trolls (name evades me atm).
> >
> > -K
>
> Fomorians? Although I don't think Fomorians are vampiric...
>
>
> --Jett

Fomorians or Fomori are celtic trolls (Companion, p.40)

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Message no. 51
From: Bob Tockley <zzdeden@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: AW: HMHVV
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:45:02 +1000
>Fomorians or Fomori are celtic trolls (Companion, p.40)
Actually, you may find that celtic trolls are indeed "Fomori" (as per the
SRC, page 40). However, Fomorians (at least the first instance of canon
Fomorians) are Jarka-Criscione-strain HMHVV-infected trolls (as per page 56
of PAoE).

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Message no. 52
From: Bob Tockley <zzdeden@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:45:07 +1000
Well, here's the basics of the HMHVV/race combinations:

Any+HMHVV (Krieger strain)=Ghoul (T:UCAS)
- Not really well thought out. Direct contradiction of some of the facts
stated in previous canon.

Dwarf+HMHVV=Goblin (PAoE)
- Hints at some other kind of creature spreading the HMHVV since the
Goblin does not have the Infection power.

Elf+HMHVVºnshee (SR2)
Human+HMHVV=Vampires (SR2)

Human+HMHVV (Bruckner-Langer strain)=Nosferatu (PAoE)
- The Bruckner-Langer strain kills non-humans who are infected with it,
though one of the novels (appropriately named Nosferatu) deals with a case
of a metahuman nosferatu who stays alive by feeding on specific blood types.

Human+HMHVV (similar retrovirus)=Loup-Garou (PAoNA)
- The Loup Garou is what is closest to the classic 'werewolf' in
Shadowrun - well, at least, that and the Wolf Shapeshifter. Though no
Infection power is listed, it is assumed from the context of the
assosciated shadowtalk that Loup-Garou spread their infection via touch or
close contact.

Ork+HMHVV=Wendigo (SR2)
Sasquatch+HMHVV (similar virus)ºndersnatch (PAoNA)
- The Bandersnatch also has no infection power listed. Inferred that the
virus is contracted via touch or close contact.

Troll+HMHVV=Dzoo-Noo-Qua (PAoNA)
- The Dzoo-Noo-Qua has no Infection Power. Once again, infection is
assumed to be contact, airborne, or something similar.

Troll+HMHVV-II (Jarka-Criscione strain)=Fomorian (PAoE)
- Another vampiric strain without the Infection power, the Fomorian also
hgas no Essence Drain.


- ARKHAM
"A mind is a terrible thing to waste somebody with..."

ARKHAM'S ASYLUM ( http://www.ozemail.com.au/~zzdeden/shadowrun/ ) currently
having problems with the damned ISP... might be there... might not...
Message no. 53
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:25:46 -0700
For the mere cost of a Thaum, Paul Gettle wrote:
/
/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
/
/ At 07:45 AM 12/9/98 -0700, David B. wrote:
/ >/ Nexx was showing off... Bean Sidhe is the Gaelic spelling, and the
/ root
/ >/ word. It gets pronounced BAN Shee, and hence the Anglicised version
/ is spelt
/ >/ that way.
/
/ >I suddenly find myself imagining an adventure where the characters
/ are
/ >hired by, or are trying to find, Mr. Bean (who's name the see only in
/ >writing so they have no idea it's pronounced "Ban") Would that be a
/ red
/ >hering or what? <EGMG>
/
/ Ah, but won't Rowan Atkinson be dead by 2060? :)

Ah, everything just crystalized.

Rowan Atkinson is actually an immortal elf. At some point after the
awakening he contracts HMHVV and becomes a Bean Sidh and legally
changes his name to Mr. Bean.

Or is that too evil :):):):)

-David B.
--
"Earn what you have been given."
--
email: dbuehrer@******.carl.org
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Message no. 54
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:41:44 -0600
>From: ArcLight
>Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 6:11 AM

>> Fomorians? Although I don't think Fomorians are vampiric...
>
>Fomorians or Fomori are celtic trolls (Companion, p.40)

Fomorians and the Fomori player race from the SRC are *not* the same
thing....

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 55
From: Brett Zinn <bpz7971@*******.MWSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:52:18 -0600
On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, John Pederson wrote:
> Orks => Wendigo (SR2)
> Trolls => Fomorian (PAoE)**
> => Dzoo-Noo-Qua (PAoNA)
> Dwarves => Goblin (PAoE)**
> Humans => Vampire (SR2)
> => Nosferatu (PAoE)***
> Elves => Banshee (SR2)
> ? => Loup Garou (PAoNA) *
> ? => Bandersnatch (PAoNA) *
> Any => Ghoul (T:UCAS)****

My copy of BBB2 is not with me but I belive in the Critters
section under Banshee it says that not all Elves who are infevted with
HMHVV become Banshees; some become vampires. Regardless, I belive that
with the vanilla strain of HMHVV (not Ghoul or Nosferatu, etc.) the
vampire is the common manifestation, with the other variants comming out
less often (i.e. not every elf has the right genetic/artral coding to
become a Banshee, and not every goblin becomes a ghoul)

Brett Zinn
bpz7971@*******.mwsc.edu
Message no. 56
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: AW: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:18:45 -0500
ArcLight wrote:

>
>
> Fomorians or Fomori are celtic trolls (Companion, p.40)
>

Bzzzzt~ Wrong answer, but thanks for playing. Please enjoy your parting
gift of a thousand pounds of dead fish.

Fomori and Fomorians are very different. Fomori are the Celtic "pretty"
trolls. Fomorians are out of PANA, and are the nasty-looking troll things
with the serious bone growth problem.


--Jett, who, if she ever met a Fomori, wouldn't make the mistake of
calling him a Fomorian...he'd probably be VERY insulted and feel compelled
to make all her limbs bend the wrong way.

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

Behold the mighty sonic scream of the Jett!

http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow.htm
Message no. 57
From: Brett Zinn <bpz7971@*******.MWSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:12:19 -0600
On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, John Pederson wrote:
> Orks => Wendigo (SR2)
> Trolls => Fomorian (PAoE)**
> => Dzoo-Noo-Qua (PAoNA)
> Dwarves => Goblin (PAoE)**
> Humans => Vampire (SR2)
> => Nosferatu (PAoE)***
> Elves => Banshee (SR2)
> ? => Loup Garou (PAoNA) *
> ? => Bandersnatch (PAoNA) *
> Any => Ghoul (T:UCAS)****

My copy of BBB2 is not with me but I belive in the Critters
section under Banshee it says that not all Elves who are infected with
HMHVV become Banshees; some become vampires. Regardless, I belive that
with the vanilla strain of HMHVV (not Ghoul or Nosferatu, etc.) the
vampire is the common manifestation, with the other variants comming out
less often (i.e. not every elf has the right genetic/astral coding to
become a Banshee, and not every Dwarf becomes a Goblin)

Brett Zinn
bpz7971@*******.mwsc.edu
Message no. 58
From: John Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:08:32 -0500
Brett Zinn wrote:
>
> On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, John Pederson wrote:
> > Orks => Wendigo (SR2)
> > Trolls => Fomorian (PAoE)**
> > => Dzoo-Noo-Qua (PAoNA)
> > Dwarves => Goblin (PAoE)**
> > Humans => Vampire (SR2)
> > => Nosferatu (PAoE)***
> > Elves => Banshee (SR2)
> > ? => Loup Garou (PAoNA) *
> > ? => Bandersnatch (PAoNA) *
> > Any => Ghoul (T:UCAS)****
>
> My copy of BBB2 is not with me but I belive in the Critters
> section under Banshee it says that not all Elves who are infevted with
> HMHVV become Banshees; some become vampires. Regardless, I belive that
> with the vanilla strain of HMHVV (not Ghoul or Nosferatu, etc.) the
> vampire is the common manifestation, with the other variants comming out
> less often (i.e. not every elf has the right genetic/artral coding to
> become a Banshee, and not every goblin becomes a ghoul)

The actual quote:
"Paranaturalist Charles Forte has advanced the hypothesis that the
banshee is the typical expression of HMHVV (Human-Metahuman Vampiric
Virus) in elves."
from page 221 of SR2 softcover.

Although the SR3 GM's Screen is a better reference at the moment
(assuming that vamps of various types made it in), I would say that,
assuming infection with the standard strain of HMHVV, an elf will
express as a banshee, not as a generic vampire. It should be noted that
Dwarves die (that is, they don't become vamps of *any* type) if infected
with the standard strain of HMHVV. They only express as goblins if
infected with an odd variant (might be Irish in origin, but I really
don't know). The vampire, AFAIK, is a purely human expression of the
retrovirus' magically-related mutagenic effects. If you have a canon
source that you can quote that says unequivocally otherwise, though, I'd
be happy to hear it.

--
John Pederson, otherwise known as Lyle Canthros, shapeshifter-mage
"Is there anybody seeking?
Does anybody see?
Or are they deaf and dumb like me?"
-- Burlap to Cashmere, "Anybody Out There"
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/4864/index.html ICQ UIN: 3190186
Message no. 59
From: Brett Zinn <bpz7971@*******.MWSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:17:26 -0600
On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, John Pederson wrote:
> The actual quote:
> "Paranaturalist Charles Forte has advanced the hypothesis that the
> banshee is the typical expression of HMHVV (Human-Metahuman Vampiric
> Virus) in elves."
> from page 221 of SR2 softcover.

Thanks for the quote; I'll refer back to it in a moment.

> Although the SR3 GM's Screen is a better reference at the moment
> (assuming that vamps of various types made it in), I would say that,
> assuming infection with the standard strain of HMHVV, an elf will
> express as a banshee, not as a generic vampire. It should be noted that
> Dwarves die (that is, they don't become vamps of *any* type) if infected
> with the standard strain of HMHVV. They only express as goblins if
> infected with an odd variant (might be Irish in origin, but I really
> don't know). The vampire, AFAIK, is a purely human expression of the
> retrovirus' magically-related mutagenic effects. If you have a canon
> source that you can quote that says unequivocally otherwise, though, I'd
> be happy to hear it.

I am basing my assumption off the "typical" expression of HMHVV. I
take typical in this case to mean what normally happens, or is expected. I
also take it to mean that it is not what always happens. Plus, I like the
idea of a Elf vampire, and I always saw Banshees as Female; what do you do
if a male gets bitten?

Brett Zinn
bpz7971@*******.mwsc.edu
Message no. 60
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:15:50 +1000
> Any+HMHVV (Krieger strain)=Ghoul (T:UCAS)
> - Not really well thought out. Direct contradiction of some of
> the facts
> stated in previous canon.

Nope... previous canon stated that it was THOUGHT that Ghouls were a
"normal" paranatural expression (e.g, they goblinised). Further research
showed that they were actually infected with HMHVV (Krieger strain). It is
possible that this virus was latent in many people until the magic reached a
certain level, resulting an apparent goblinisation event.

[snip]

> Human+HMHVV (Bruckner-Langer strain)=Nosferatu (PAoE)
> - The Bruckner-Langer strain kills non-humans who are infected with it,
> though one of the novels (appropriately named Nosferatu) deals with a case
> of a metahuman nosferatu who stays alive by feeding on specific
> blood types.

The metahuman in Nosferatu isn't a nosferatu. That was used as a generic
term for a vampire. It's more likely that he was a banshee that kept his
intelligence. The specific type of vampire he was was never mentioned.

As for all the types with no infection power, it's simple: they get it from
one of the other types that DO have the infection power.

--
Duct tape is like the Force: There's a Light side, a Dark side, and it
binds the Universe together.
Robert Watkins -- robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 61
From: "Davidson, Chris" <Christopher.Davidson@***.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:18:34 -0800
> > Fomorians? Although I don't think Fomorians are vampiric...
> >
> >
> > --Jett
>
> Fomorians or Fomori are celtic trolls (Companion, p.40)
>
That's what I thought. Aren't they the shorter ones that are usually spell chuckers?

-=Toffer=-
Message no. 62
From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: AW: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:58:35 -0500
Quoting Jett (zmjett@*********.COM):
> Fomori and Fomorians are very different. Fomori are the Celtic "pretty"
> trolls. Fomorians are out of PANA, and are the nasty-looking troll things
> with the serious bone growth problem.

The above is:
1) Apparently all true according to SR canon
2) Stupid, because 'Fomori' is just an alternate plural form
for 'Fomor' or 'Fomorian'. Making a distinction between
'Fomori' and 'Fomorians' is Just Plain Silly.
3) Stupid, because the legendary Fomorians of Irish myth, the giants
from whom they took the name in the first place, were
supposed to be pretty damn ugly. So why they should be
more attractive than the average troll is beyond me. They
were also EVIL, so I don't think it's a name I'd adopt
for myself, personally...

--Sean

--
Sean McCrohan (mccrohan@**.gatech.edu) | "He uses his folly as a stalking
Grad Student, Human-Computer Interaction | horse, and under the presentation
Georgia Institute of Technology | of that he shoots his wit."
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Message no. 63
From: Bob Tockley <zzdeden@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:51:53 +1100
>As for all the types with no infection power, it's simple: they get it from
>one of the other types that DO have the infection power.

Erm... Unless you missed some of the listings, certain so-called vampiric
creatures aren't infected with HMHVV at all (Loup-Garou for instance).
They're infected with a virus or retrovirus _similiar_ to HMHVV. Where do
they get it from? Bad food at a chinese restaurant?

- ARKHAM
"I used to think the mind was the most fascinating part of the human
body... until I realized what was telling me that..."

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Message no. 64
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:40:42 EST
In a message dated 12/10/1998 4:21:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
bpz7971@*******.MWSC.EDU writes:

>
> I am basing my assumption off the "typical" expression of HMHVV. I
> take typical in this case to mean what normally happens, or is expected. I
> also take it to mean that it is not what always happens. Plus, I like the
> idea of a Elf vampire, and I always saw Banshees as Female; what do you do
> if a male gets bitten?

I call it a Banshee and let the elf deal with it as part of their overall
psychological trauma...

Seriously though, a name is a name, and if you blur them, then you open the
door to interpretation. Good/Bad, I will not say, but I would say that in
your OWN words, you are giving a personal interpretation, and not directly
using the material in the text.

-K (who always saw elves as effeminite anyway ;)
Message no. 65
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: AW: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:30:09 -0600
----------
> From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: AW: HMHVV
> Date: 10 December 1998 17:58
>
> Quoting Jett (zmjett@*********.COM):
> > Fomori and Fomorians are very different. Fomori are the Celtic
"pretty"
> > trolls. Fomorians are out of PANA, and are the nasty-looking troll
things
> > with the serious bone growth problem.
>
> The above is:
> 1) Apparently all true according to SR canon
> 2) Stupid, because 'Fomori' is just an alternate plural form
> for 'Fomor' or 'Fomorian'. Making a distinction between
> 'Fomori' and 'Fomorians' is Just Plain Silly.
> 3) Stupid, because the legendary Fomorians of Irish myth, the
giants
> from whom they took the name in the first place, were
> supposed to be pretty damn ugly. So why they should be
> more attractive than the average troll is beyond me.
They
> were also EVIL, so I don't think it's a name I'd adopt
> for myself, personally...

More than likely, they were trying for "Firbolg". Not much of an
improvement, I'll grant you, but I could see it being assigned to them by
the Sidhe.

--
Rev. Mark Hall
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
*
Is not the sky a father and the earth a mother, and are not all living
things with wings and feet or roots their children?
-Black Elk, _Black Elk Speaks_
Message no. 66
From: Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:51:09 -0500
On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:18:34 -0800 "Davidson, Chris"
<Christopher.Davidson@***.BOEING.COM> writes:
>> > Fomorians? Although I don't think Fomorians are vampiric...
>> >
>> >
>> > --Jett
>>
>> Fomorians or Fomori are celtic trolls (Companion, p.40)
>>
>That's what I thought. Aren't they the shorter ones that are usually
>spell chuckers?

If it helps any, I made the same mistake with Fomori and Fomorians, and
was about to post "Hey, they're in the Companion!" Fomori (singular
Fomor) are the furry Trolls who're probably great fun at parties.
Fomorians (singular, well, Fomorian I guess) are the nasty HMHVV suckers
who aren't any fun at parties.

-Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
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names are gramatically accurate. We STILL don't get invitied to parties,
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Message no. 67
From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: AW: HMHVV
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:54:55 -0500
Quoting Nexx (nexx@********.NET):
> More than likely, they were trying for "Firbolg". Not much of an
> improvement, I'll grant you, but I could see it being assigned to them by
> the Sidhe.
>

Firbolg doesn't have any negative connotations (they were the ones
who were there before the Fomorians, so they're REALLY lost in the mists
of time), but they were described as being short, swarthy, and very elusive.
Sounds like a dwarf variant, if anything :) They're thought to have really
been Iberian, I think.

--Sean

--
Sean McCrohan (mccrohan@**.gatech.edu) | "He uses his folly as a stalking
Grad Student, Human-Computer Interaction | horse, and under the presentation
Georgia Institute of Technology | of that he shoots his wit."
http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~smccrohan | _As You Like It_, Act 5 Sc 4
Message no. 68
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:08:52 +1000
>If it helps any, I made the same mistake with Fomori and Fomorians, and
>was about to post "Hey, they're in the Companion!" Fomori (singular
>Fomor) are the furry Trolls who're probably great fun at parties.
>Fomorians (singular, well, Fomorian I guess) are the nasty HMHVV suckers
>who aren't any fun at parties.

... depends what kind of parties you have. :-)

(Sorry. Had to be said!)

Lady Jestyr

The Shadowrun Webring Ringmaster
Webring at: http://shadowrun.html.com/webring/
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Message no. 69
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: AW: HMHVV
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:26:22 -0600
----------
> From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
>
> Quoting Nexx (nexx@********.NET):
> > More than likely, they were trying for "Firbolg". Not much of an
> > improvement, I'll grant you, but I could see it being assigned to them
by
> > the Sidhe.
> >
>
> Firbolg doesn't have any negative connotations (they were the
ones
> who were there before the Fomorians, so they're REALLY lost in the mists
> of time), but they were described as being short, swarthy, and very
elusive.
> Sounds like a dwarf variant, if anything :) They're thought to have
really
> been Iberian, I think.

No, I understood it that the Milesians were thought to have been Iberians,
not the Firbolg.
Message no. 70
From: "Davidson, Chris" <Christopher.Davidson@***.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:31:10 -0800
> If it helps any, I made the same mistake with Fomori and Fomorians, and
> was about to post "Hey, they're in the Companion!" Fomori (singular
> Fomor) are the furry Trolls who're probably great fun at parties.
> Fomorians (singular, well, Fomorian I guess) are the nasty HMHVV suckers
> who aren't any fun at parties.
>
Well, that would depend on what kind of party it is I suppose. ;)

-=Toffer=-
Message no. 71
From: "Davidson, Chris" <Christopher.Davidson@***.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:34:51 -0800
> >If it helps any, I made the same mistake with Fomori and Fomorians, and
> >was about to post "Hey, they're in the Companion!" Fomori (singular
> >Fomor) are the furry Trolls who're probably great fun at parties.
> >Fomorians (singular, well, Fomorian I guess) are the nasty HMHVV suckers
> >who aren't any fun at parties.
>
> ... depends what kind of parties you have. :-)
>
Darn it, I didn't see that you already said it...opps.

-=Toffer=-
Message no. 72
From: John Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:13:46 -0500
Brett Zinn wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, John Pederson wrote:
> > The actual quote:
> > "Paranaturalist Charles Forte has advanced the hypothesis that the
> > banshee is the typical expression of HMHVV (Human-Metahuman Vampiric
> > Virus) in elves."
> > from page 221 of SR2 softcover.
>
> Thanks for the quote; I'll refer back to it in a moment.
>

I figured you would:)
<snippereenie>

> I am basing my assumption off the "typical" expression of HMHVV. I
> take typical in this case to mean what normally happens, or is expected. I
> also take it to mean that it is not what always happens. Plus, I like the
> idea of a Elf vampire, and I always saw Banshees as Female; what do you do
> if a male gets bitten?

*sigh* 1) What you do in your own game is your business. You can have
Elf Vampires or Elf Minotaurs or Werewolf/Troll shapeshifters or
vampiric weredragons for all I care. 2) I will give you that there is,
according to the SR2 quote at the very least, a *slim* chance that an
elf might not become a vampire upon infection with the standard version
of HMHVV. I will, however, note that such an occurrence would be (and
should be) exceedingly rare as things are written. 3) Shadowrun's
Banshee != Bean Sidhe in the game world. And Bean Sidhe is the 'Banshee'
you're thinking about. Check out Paranormal Animals of Europe, if you've
got it. Calling a vamped Elf a Banshee could easily be credited to slang
and popular culture assumptions made on the nature of the creature's
abilities and behaviour.

Finally: if you want to run it that way, be my guest. I'll not stop you.
I would like to suggest that your interpretation of the rules as they
stand (stood?), while not necessarily incorrect, is also not necessarily
the first interpretation or even necessarily the most common (though
that claim I don't suppose I can vouch for without more information,
eh?). Also: Sprawl Sites contains (I think) an instance of a male
Banshee among the 'Random Encounters'. Make of it what you will.

--
John Pederson, otherwise known as Lyle Canthros, shapeshifter-mage
"Is there anybody seeking?
Does anybody see?
Or are they deaf and dumb like me?"
-- Burlap to Cashmere, "Anybody Out There"
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/4864/index.html ICQ UIN: 3190186
Message no. 73
From: Tony Rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:15:18 -0600
> I am basing my assumption off the "typical" expression of
HMHVV. I
>take typical in this case to mean what normally happens, or is
expected. I
>also take it to mean that it is not what always happens. Plus, I like
the
>idea of a Elf vampire, and I always saw Banshees as Female; what do
you do
>if a male gets bitten?


Become a Banhee?

Tony Rabiola
rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
(still working on the Fifth)
Proud owner BABY #972
Message no. 74
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: HMHVV
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:38:34 +0000
and thus did Tony Rabiola speak on 12 Dec 98 at 14:15:

> >idea of a Elf vampire, and I always saw Banshees as Female; what
> >do you do if a male gets bitten?
>
> Become a Banhee?

LOL!!

With my limited knowledge of Irish I would say a fearshee, Fear
Sidhe or Fear Si whatever the way you want to spell it (or in SR
terminology: whatever type of critter you want to create :)




Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 75
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: HMHVV
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:16:17 +0200
According to Ryan Mathewson, at 0:34 on 27 Sep 99, the word on
the street was...

> Does anyone have info on the Human Vamperic whatever it is called virus
> (HVMHV) especailly on the type that effects Dwarves it is called somthing
> like dzu noo qua? Or if you have any links that would give me more info on
> it.

Human-Metahuman Vampiric Virus, or HMHVV for short. Dzoo-noo-qua are
trolls infected with a certain strain of this virus; dwarfs become
goblins, which are described in Paranormal Animals of Europe.

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