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Message no. 1
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: HOL
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:07:02 -0600 (MDT)
A Halliwell wrote:
||
||Err, what's HOL?
|
|Human Occupied Landfill.
|A very silly and extremely funny game by Dirt Merchant/Black Dog.

Could you send me the ISBN # please?

-David

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Message no. 2
From: "Paolo Falco" <Falco@****.it>
Subject: HOL!!!
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:42:12 +0000
I WANT IT!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE WHERE WHERE CAN I GET A COPY OF THIS HOL THING?????
Sounds to me like it's the best RPG since WEG made "Paranoia"!!!
I WANT IT! I NEED IT! NOW!
(rant, rant, crave, rant)

Paolo Falco [Falco@****.it] Ironbound Section (Near Avenue L)
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*****> SKATERS!!! Check this site for THE contact game! <****
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Message no. 3
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.com>
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:46:45 PDT
> I WANT IT!!!!!!!!!!!
> WHERE WHERE WHERE CAN I GET A COPY OF THIS HOL THING?????
> Sounds to me like it's the best RPG since WEG made "Paranoia"!!!
> I WANT IT! I NEED IT! NOW!
> (rant, rant, crave, rant)
>

Hmmm... That might explain why it gets the shelf space right next to
Paranoia... I'll have to get one.
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Message no. 4
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:30:34 +0100
Paolo Falco said on 19:42/22 May 96...

> I WANT IT!!!!!!!!!!!
> WHERE WHERE WHERE CAN I GET A COPY OF THIS HOL THING?????
> Sounds to me like it's the best RPG since WEG made "Paranoia"!!!
> I WANT IT! I NEED IT! NOW!
> (rant, rant, crave, rant)

Okay, for everyone dying to read it, the ISBN is 1-56504-590-4, it's
published by White Wolf under its Black Dog Game Factory label, and is WW
stock number 5900. Cost is US$14.95, and it was written by Todd
Shaughnessy, Daniel Thron, and Chris Elliott.

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Message no. 5
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 07:08:57 -0400 (EDT)
At 12:30 PM 5/23/96 +0100, you wrote:

>Okay, for everyone dying to read it, the ISBN is 1-56504-590-4, it's
>published by White Wolf under its Black Dog Game Factory label, and is WW
>stock number 5900. Cost is US$14.95, and it was written by Todd
>Shaughnessy, Daniel Thron, and Chris Elliott.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Am I safe in assuming this isn't the actor?

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Message no. 6
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:17:21 +0100 (BST)
|
|At 12:30 PM 5/23/96 +0100, you wrote:
|
|>Okay, for everyone dying to read it, the ISBN is 1-56504-590-4, it's
|>published by White Wolf under its Black Dog Game Factory label, and is WW
|>stock number 5900. Cost is US$14.95, and it was written by Todd
|>Shaughnessy, Daniel Thron, and Chris Elliott.
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
|Am I safe in assuming this isn't the actor?

Who? Never heard of an actor called that.
What's he in?

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Message no. 7
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:13:21 -0600 (MDT)
A Halliwell wrote:
|
||>Okay, for everyone dying to read it, the ISBN is 1-56504-590-4, it's
||>published by White Wolf under its Black Dog Game Factory label, and is WW
||>stock number 5900. Cost is US$14.95, and it was written by Todd
||>Shaughnessy, Daniel Thron, and Chris Elliott.
|| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
||
||Am I safe in assuming this isn't the actor?
|
|Who? Never heard of an actor called that.
|What's he in?

He used to be a character actor on Late Night with David Letterman (in the
US). He went on to do a couple of movies (Cabin Boy and something else),
both of which were extremely bad. He then did a TV series, also in the US,
which was on par with his movies.

Consider yourself lucky that you haven't been exposed :)

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
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Message no. 8
From: "'Spaceman' WD Lee" <spaced@*.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
On Thu, 23 May 1996, David Buehrer wrote:
> |Who? Never heard of an actor called that.
> |What's he in?
>
> He used to be a character actor on Late Night with David Letterman (in the
> US). He went on to do a couple of movies (Cabin Boy and something else),
> both of which were extremely bad. He then did a TV series, also in the US,
> which was on par with his movies.

I think his most telling credit in this light is that he appeared
on Saturday Night Live for a couple years. The only relatively good thing
I saw was Groundhog Day, where he plays the cameraman (a small part).

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Message no. 9
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:38:36 -0600 (MDT)
'Spaceman' WD Lee wrote:
|
|On Thu, 23 May 1996, David Buehrer wrote:
|> |Who? Never heard of an actor called that.
|> |What's he in?
|>
|> He used to be a character actor on Late Night with David Letterman (in the
|> US). He went on to do a couple of movies (Cabin Boy and something else),
|> both of which were extremely bad. He then did a TV series, also in the US,
|> which was on par with his movies.
|
| I think his most telling credit in this light is that he appeared
|on Saturday Night Live for a couple years. The only relatively good thing
|I saw was Groundhog Day, where he plays the cameraman (a small part).

Thank you very much for bringing back that memory. I had managed to
completely forget that untill you brought it up. Hmmm, TC might be right
about the brain's ability to remember everything :)

BTW, for the non-US people, Chris Elliot is one more good thing about not
living in the US.

I am not going to continue with this thread any more :(

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
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Message no. 10
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 21:49:10 -0400 (EDT)
At 11:38 AM 5/23/96 -0600, you wrote:
>'Spaceman' WD Lee wrote:
>|On Thu, 23 May 1996, David Buehrer wrote:

>|> |Who? Never heard of an actor called that.
>|> |What's he in?
>|>
>|> He used to be a character actor on Late Night with David Letterman (in the
>|> US). He went on to do a couple of movies (Cabin Boy and something else),
>|> both of which were extremely bad. He then did a TV series, also in the US,
>|> which was on par with his movies.
>|
>| I think his most telling credit in this light is that he appeared
>|on Saturday Night Live for a couple years. The only relatively good thing
>|I saw was Groundhog Day, where he plays the cameraman (a small part).
>
>Thank you very much for bringing back that memory. I had managed to
>completely forget that untill you brought it up. Hmmm, TC might be right
>about the brain's ability to remember everything :)
>
>BTW, for the non-US people, Chris Elliot is one more good thing about not
>living in the US.

*gasp*
Blasphemer! You haven't seen anytihng until you've seen the S.P.E.W.E.Y.
episode of "Get A Life". Oh, if only that was the way E.T. (the movie) was
made...


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Message no. 11
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:46:22 +0100
David Buehrer said on 8:13/23 May 96...

> |Who? Never heard of an actor called that.
> |What's he in?
>
> He used to be a character actor on Late Night with David Letterman (in the
> US). He went on to do a couple of movies (Cabin Boy and something else),
> both of which were extremely bad. He then did a TV series, also in the US,
> which was on par with his movies.
>
> Consider yourself lucky that you haven't been exposed :)

You know, we do get David Letterman in Europe... Every time I see his show
I have this urge to switch channels :)

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Message no. 12
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:46:22 +0100
A Halliwell said on 13:17/23 May 96...

> |>Shaughnessy, Daniel Thron, and Chris Elliott.
> | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> |
> |Am I safe in assuming this isn't the actor?
>
> Who? Never heard of an actor called that.
> What's he in?

The name Chris Elliott (I assume that's where the ^^^'s are under -- I use
a proportional font, so on my screen they appear underneath "Daniel Th")
does ring a bell, but I can't place it...

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Message no. 13
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:15:44 +0100 (BST)
|> Consider yourself lucky that you haven't been exposed :)
|
|You know, we do get David Letterman in Europe... Every time I see his show
|I have this urge to switch channels :)

The only one I even saw a small part of was the group of shows he did from
london.
Is he always such a dickhead, or was he just trying to appear clever by
trying (and failing) to make us Brits look stupid?

He made a complete twat of himself then, I can tell you.
(In my most humble opinion of course (just in case his lawyers are lurking)
:)

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Message no. 14
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 07:48:00 -0500
>The only one I even saw a small part of was the group of shows he did from
>london.
>Is he always such a dickhead, or was he just trying to appear clever by
>trying (and failing) to make us Brits look stupid?
>
>He made a complete twat of himself then, I can tell you.
>(In my most humble opinion of course (just in case his lawyers are lurking)
Got to agree with you on this one. He's always a dickhead. The only good
thing about that show is the top ten lists (and even they suck sometimes.)

Mike Broadwater
"An object at rest cannot be stopped! Yeah, baby, yeah!" - The Evil
Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
Message no. 15
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 17:11:51 +0200
At 12:46 Uhr 24.05.96, Gurth wrote:
>You know, we do get David Letterman in Europe... Every time I see his show
>I have this urge to switch channels :)
I even considered thrashing my TV and get a new one WITH remote control...
Whenever the DLS starts, I gotta get up and manually switch channels :-(

Sascha

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Message no. 16
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: HOL!!!
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 17:04:47 -0700
A Halliwell wrote:
> The only one I even saw a small part of was the group of shows he did
> from london.
> Is he always such a dickhead, or was he just trying to appear clever by
> trying (and failing) to make us Brits look stupid?
>
> He made a complete twat of himself then, I can tell you.
> (In my most humble opinion of course (just in case his lawyers are
> lurking)
> :)

I wouldn't worry about the beagles they're dickheads too.
Message no. 17
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:12:44 -0600
Frank Pelletier wrote:
/
/ Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK> once wrote,
/
/ (snipped)
/
/
/ >|Games I have played/owned: Rifts, Palladium, Shadowrun, Earthdawn, HoL,
/ (snipped)
/
/ HoL? HoL!? You mean...I'm not the only freak out there who actually played
/ the game?

There's also Me and Sascha :)

/ Woohoo! I'm normal!...

...you're kidding, right? Anyone that enjoys a game where it is
possible to blow a hole the size of Slim Whitman in your opponent is
not normal. Not that there's anything wrong with that ;)

-David
--
"Here, have some buttery HoLsomeness. On the house."
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Message no. 18
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:53:55 -0400
Once upon a time, David Buehrer wrote;

>/ HoL? HoL!? You mean...I'm not the only freak out there who actually played
>/ the game?
>
>There's also Me and Sascha :)
>
>/ Woohoo! I'm normal!...
>
>...you're kidding, right? Anyone that enjoys a game where it is
>possible to blow a hole the size of Slim Whitman in your opponent is
>not normal. Not that there's anything wrong with that ;)

With that in mind, I too own HoL. For the more serious minded I also
have Tales from the Floating Vagabond. B>]#

From the collector's side of things I own several old hardbound
rulebooks (1st ed.AD&D, Call of Cthulhu, Warhammer Fantasy Battles, Rogue
Trader - Warhammer 40,000, Traveller, Shadowrun 1st ed.), but most
important of all is my Box Set of FASA's Star Trek rules.

-Master Collector 23, who is boggled over the absence of Toon-
8>@#
Message no. 19
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:25:09 +0100
And verily, did MC23 hastily scribble thusly...
|-Master Collector 23, who is boggled over the absence of Toon-

HE SLIPPED UP!!!!

I DON'T BELIEVE HE SLIPPED UP!

AT LAST! Now we know what MC stands for, it's only a matter of time before
you slip up again and we find your name....

EGMLOL!
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Message no. 20
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:28:40 -0400
> And verily, did MC23 hastily scribble thusly...
> |-Master Collector 23, who is boggled over the absence of Toon-
>
> HE SLIPPED UP!!!!
>
> I DON'T BELIEVE HE SLIPPED UP!
>
> AT LAST! Now we know what MC stands for, it's only a matter of time
> before
> you slip up again and we find your name....
>
> EGMLOL!
>
>
Hell if you want his name, I know it.

Its.......AHHHHHSHUIHsdfhsdlkjadhfjgdg4@#$!40<gurgle> no
please!! AIEEEEEE!!!!
Message no. 21
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:33:06 -0400
Once upon a time, Spike wrote;

>And verily, did MC23 hastily scribble thusly...
>|-Master Collector 23, who is boggled over the absence of Toon-
>
>HE SLIPPED UP!!!!
>
>I DON'T BELIEVE HE SLIPPED UP!
>
>AT LAST! Now we know what MC stands for, it's only a matter of time before
>you slip up again and we find your name....
>
>EGMLOL!

Tip of the iceberg Spike. Tip of the iceberg.
You now know _one_ meaning of MC. If you had true illumination you would
know the definition is far more complex than that.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

"When _I_ use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful
tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
-Through the Looking Glass

I am MC23
Message no. 22
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:34:12 -0400
Once upon a time, Bryan Covington wrote;

> Hell if you want his name, I know it.
>
> Its.......AHHHHHSHUIHsdfhsdlkjadhfjgdg4@#$!40<gurgle> no
>please!! AIEEEEEE!!!!

<eyes stop glowing>

now behave.


<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 23
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:42:53 +0100
And verily, did MC23 hastily scribble thusly...
| Tip of the iceberg Spike. Tip of the iceberg.
|You now know _one_ meaning of MC. If you had true illumination you would
|know the definition is far more complex than that.

Please don't tell me there's a hidden i or j in there as well, PLEASE!
I loath complex numbers.

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Message no. 24
From: Danyel N Woods <9604801@********.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:39:38 +1200
Quoth David Buehrer (0413 4-8-98 NZT):

<<SLICE>>
>/ HoL? HoL!? You mean...I'm not the only freak out there who actually
played
>/ the game?

<<SLICE>>

>...you're kidding, right? Anyone that enjoys a game where it is
>possible to blow a hole the size of Slim Whitman in your opponent is
>not normal. Not that there's anything wrong with that ;)

Now this I have _gotta_ learn more about <g>. Exactly what is HoL?
(Please define the acronym and give a brief game-concept precis.)

Danyel Woods - 9604801@********.ac.nz
'No, I'm Chaos and he's Mayhem. We're a double act.'
Message no. 25
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:50:37 -0600
Danyel N Woods wrote:
/
/ >...you're kidding, right? Anyone that enjoys a game where it is
/ >possible to blow a hole the size of Slim Whitman in your opponent is
/ >not normal. Not that there's anything wrong with that ;)
/
/ Now this I have _gotta_ learn more about <g>. Exactly what is HoL?
/ (Please define the acronym and give a brief game-concept precis.)

Human Occupied Landfill. Black Dog Game Factory. For Adults Only.

And from the back cover, "We know that look. That 'If I have to check
for traps one more time, I'm goig to sneak a spoonfull of drain cleaner
into the GM's Yoo-Hu and start screaming 'Guess you missed your save on
That one, MR. TEN-BY-TEN STONE CORRIDOR!!'' Look, you need help. You
need HoL. Science fiction roleplaying for gamers who've had a really
bad day. Get it before you hurt somebody."

"Classier than a twelve Ogre circle-jerk."

"More fun than a cow on laxatives."

"I wept. It made me weak. Burt, put on the rubber pants."

"HoL: The other white meat."

From the first page: "Warning: do Not read further if you are offended
by the following sentence: 'The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy
dog; what a fuckin' asshole.'"

"What is HoL? Ever been to New Jersey? Okay, now add some high
technology and make a planet out of it."

ISBN 1-56504-590-4 WW 5900

-David
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Message no. 26
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:11:38 -0400
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At 11:39 AM 8/4/98 +1200, Danyel wrote:
>Now this I have _gotta_ learn more about <g>. Exactly what is HoL?
>(Please define the acronym and give a brief game-concept precis.)

I can do both, in three words:
Human Occupied Landfil.
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You dare defy my whims?!?
I am the game master; you are my pawns!
I created the world you see before you!
I control your fate!"
-- Dexter, Dexter's Laboratory.
Message no. 27
From: Danyel N Woods <9604801@********.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:41:09 +1200
Quoth David Buehrer (04-8-98 NZT):

<<SLICE>>
>/ Now this I have _gotta_ learn more about <g>. Exactly what is HoL?
>/ (Please define the acronym and give a brief game-concept precis.)
>
>Human Occupied Landfill. Black Dog Game Factory. For Adults Only.
>
>And from the back cover, "We know that look. That 'If I have to check
>for traps one more time, I'm goig to sneak a spoonfull of drain cleaner
>into the GM's Yoo-Hu and start screaming 'Guess you missed your save on
>That one, MR. TEN-BY-TEN STONE CORRIDOR!!'' Look, you need help. You
>need HoL. Science fiction roleplaying for gamers who've had a really
>bad day. Get it before you hurt somebody."
>
>"Classier than a twelve Ogre circle-jerk."
>
>"More fun than a cow on laxatives."
>
>"I wept. It made me weak. Burt, put on the rubber pants."
>
>"HoL: The other white meat."
>
>From the first page: "Warning: do Not read further if you are offended
>by the following sentence: 'The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy
>dog; what a fuckin' asshole.'"
>
>"What is HoL? Ever been to New Jersey? Okay, now add some high
>technology and make a planet out of it."
<<SLICE>>

<Trying to keep from ROFLMAO...>
<deadpan>
Hmm. Sounds interesting. Might have to take a look at it some time...
</deadpan>

And I thought Shadowrun was supposed to be a violence-ridden
catharsis... <G>

Danyel Woods - 9604801@********.ac.nz
'No, I'm Chaos and he's Mayhem. We're a double act.'
Message no. 28
From: Pete Wilson <piatro@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:02:41 -0600
>Once upon a time, Spike wrote;
>
>>And verily, did MC23 hastily scribble thusly...
>>|-Master Collector 23, who is boggled over the absence of Toon-
>>
>>HE SLIPPED UP!!!!
>>
>>I DON'T BELIEVE HE SLIPPED UP!
>>
>>AT LAST! Now we know what MC stands for, it's only a matter of time before
>>you slip up again and we find your name....
>>
>>EGMLOL!
>
> Tip of the iceberg Spike. Tip of the iceberg.
>You now know _one_ meaning of MC. If you had true illumination you would
>know the definition is far more complex than that.
>

"More Complex" Very nice, very nice. Now everyone is going to sift
through the logs to figure out the muffin crumb code.

Piatro-

Don't mind me. I'm "Mostly Clueless" myself.
Message no. 29
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:02:22 +0100
Danyel N Woods said on 11:39/4 Aug 98,...

> >...you're kidding, right? Anyone that enjoys a game where it is
> >possible to blow a hole the size of Slim Whitman in your opponent is
> >not normal. Not that there's anything wrong with that ;)
>
> Now this I have _gotta_ learn more about <g>. Exactly what is HoL?
> (Please define the acronym and give a brief game-concept precis.)

It stands for Human Occupied Landfill, which is a prison planet of
the Confederation Of Worlds (COW), and on which the game is
set. It's basically a twisted SF RPG with a sick sense of humor :)
The game is published by White Wolf's "Black Dog Game Factory"
label, and is entirely hand-written -- not a handwriting-like font,
but actually hand-written -- and you probably don't want to even
look at it if you're easily offended. If you're not, then it's a
brilliant book to read if you have some gaming experience.
Whether it's actually playable or not I still haven't found out,
though.

Oh yeah, the Slim Whitman bit is from Buttery Wholesomeness,
the only supplement for the game that was produced, where they
illustrate the lethality of the various weapons with little drawings
of country singer Slim Whitman (the last one is just a pair of
bloody boots :)

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Message no. 30
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:05:08 +0100
And verily, did Danyel N Woods hastily scribble thusly...
|Now this I have _gotta_ learn more about <g>. Exactly what is HoL?
|(Please define the acronym and give a brief game-concept precis.)

HoL? Human Occupied Landfill. (Pronounced Hole, there's an accent over the
O'

Hol is the place where the scum of the C.O.W. get dumped.
(C.o.w. = Confederation of worlds).

Concept? It's impossible to put it down to a simple concept.
It's an incredibly silly game in extremely bad taste, and it's hilarious
just reading throught the book.

Reading the 'claimer' at the beginning is enough to give you the idea.

Basically, take the disclaimer on any Rifts book, and reverse it completely,
and you have the HoL claimer.

:)
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Message no. 31
From: Sommers <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:13:59 -0400
At 05:33 PM 8/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Once upon a time, Spike wrote;
> Tip of the iceberg Spike. Tip of the iceberg.
>You now know _one_ meaning of MC. If you had true illumination you would
>know the definition is far more complex than that.

Are there five, thirteen or twenty three different definitions of MC? True
Illumination would say all three, and only those who are Illuminated would
know how that is possible. :>

> "When _I_ use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful
>tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
> -Through the Looking Glass
>
> I am MC23

Sommers
"The fat man walks beside the thirteen steps of the Ark, in Shangri La."
Message no. 32
From: "Eric M. Farmer" <efarmer@********.CC.EDU>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:12:50 -0500
On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Paul Gettle wrote:

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> At 11:39 AM 8/4/98 +1200, Danyel wrote:
> >Now this I have _gotta_ learn more about <g>. Exactly what is HoL?
> >(Please define the acronym and give a brief game-concept precis.)
>
> I can do both, in three words:
> Human Occupied Landfil.
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> You dare defy my whims?!?
> I am the game master; you are my pawns!
> I created the world you see before you!
> I control your fate!"
> -- Dexter, Dexter's Laboratory.
>

Sorry to make you have to scroll through all this, but can we keep our
.sig's to, I don't know, 8 lines or less? That would make sifting through
all these messages a lot easier.

Thanks,
Eric Farmer
efarmer@********.cc.edu
http://www.cc.edu/~efarmer/
Message no. 33
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:27:29 +0100
And verily, did Eric M. Farmer hastily scribble thusly...
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|Sorry to make you have to scroll through all this, but can we keep our
|.sig's to, I don't know, 8 lines or less? That would make sifting through
|all these messages a lot easier.

<Moved about a bit....>

The above bit isn't a .sig, it's a PGP sig. Different thing.
I agree with the 11 line sig below <now snipped> though....

(At least mine are tidy)
:)
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Message no. 34
From: "Magnus J. Berg" <nied@****.COM>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:07:06 -0400
>It stands for Human Occupied Landfill, which is a prison planet of
>the Confederation Of Worlds (COW), and on which the game is
>set. It's basically a twisted SF RPG with a sick sense of humor :)
>The game is published by White Wolf's "Black Dog Game Factory"
>label, and is entirely hand-written -- not a handwriting-like font,
>but actually hand-written -- and you probably don't want to even
>look at it if you're easily offended. If you're not, then it's a
>brilliant book to read if you have some gaming experience.
>Whether it's actually playable or not I still haven't found out,
>though.

Oh, it's definitely playable. In fact, despite the fact that the book is
completely chaotic, it's really easy to play. One of the problems is
coming up with decent plots after the standard "A pack of Sodomy Bikers
attacks your party. run away and try not to get killed."

That's the other problem. Unless you're very resourceful (or your
character can run very quickly or you have a really big gun), your
character will get crushed quickly. (One of the books has stats for
DEATH, dammit!)

Overall HoL is best for one session games everyone once in a while.
Linear campaigns of HoL can kill you. Believe me, I've tried.

Magnus Berg

Operate Starship and chew gum at the same time
Turn radios into howitzers
sudden philosophical tangent
make someone stop living with your fist
making sharp things go through soft things that scream and bleedd
make people do your bidding by screaming unintelligibly
(sample skills from HoL)

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Message no. 35
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:36:21 +0100
And verily, did Magnus J. Berg hastily scribble thusly...
|Operate Starship and chew gum at the same time
|Turn radios into howitzers
|sudden philosophical tangent
|make someone stop living with your fist
|making sharp things go through soft things that scream and bleedd
|make people do your bidding by screaming unintelligibly
|(sample skills from HoL)

Yup....
And the range modifier table is funny as well....
Really really near
Really near
near
not quite near
far
really far
really really far
really really really far
etc...
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Message no. 36
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:40:55 +1000
> Yup....
> And the range modifier table is funny as well....
> Really really near
> Really near
> near
> not quite near
> far
> really far
> really really far
> really really really far
> etc...

I personally love the range table from Tales from the Floating Vagabond:
Point Blank
Near
Pretty Near
Far
Pretty Far
Hand Me My Binoculars
See That Dot?

Or the Gun Size table:
Gun
Big Gun
Really Big Gun
Incredibly Big Gun
My God That's A Big Gun
Don't Point That At My Planet

:)

Lady Jestyr

- It's not pretty being easy -
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Message no. 37
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: HoL
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:48:00 +1000
Lady J writes:
> I personally love the range table from Tales from the Floating Vagabond:
> Point Blank
> Near
> Pretty Near
> Far
> Pretty Far
> Hand Me My Binoculars
> See That Dot?
>
> Or the Gun Size table:
> Gun
> Big Gun
> Really Big Gun
> Incredibly Big Gun
> My God That's A Big Gun
> Don't Point That At My Planet

And then there are the unarmed combat styles, Hurt People, and Hurt People
Really Badly. :) (and the armed combat styles: Use Pointy Thing and Use Big
Pointy Thing) And, of course, Projectile Vomiting!

Hey, Lady J, want to have a game some time? :) TFTV is such a fun system.

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