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Message no. 1
From: "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.COM>
Subject: Holy Hand Granades.
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:12:22 -0000
What exactly are the rules(or where are they found?) for multiple hand
granades linked together?
After looking around for a bit i still can't find them?
Also, why are hand granades so much more powerful than explosives? (ie. 1kg
compound 12 is 12D. A hand granade weighing in at .25kg is 15S.).

AND YET ANOTHER granade question is why has the MGL-6 got a concealability
of 6 when it can hold 6 concealability 8 mini-granades in just it's clip!?

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Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Holy Hand Granades.
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:13:40 -0700
Simon.M wrote:
/
/ What exactly are the rules(or where are they found?) for multiple hand
/ granades linked together?
/ After looking around for a bit i still can't find them?

There are none. I'd use either the rules for explosives (the power
is increased by the square root of the number of grenades) or the
multiple rounds rules (for each extra grenade increase the power by
1, for each three grenades increase the damage level by one).

/ Also, why are hand granades so much more powerful than explosives? (ie. 1kg
/ compound 12 is 12D. A hand granade weighing in at .25kg is 15S.).

Because a grenade throws out shrapnel/flechettes. 1kg of C12 only
produces a shock wave.

/ AND YET ANOTHER granade question is why has the MGL-6 got a concealability
/ of 6 when it can hold 6 concealability 8 mini-granades in just it's clip!?

I think the concealability numbers are exponential, not linear.

(BTW Lucifer, your reply-to field is over-riding the listserv.)

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Message no. 3
From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Holy Hand Granades.
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:30:15 EST
On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:12:22 -0000 "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.com>
writes:
>What exactly are the rules(or where are they found?) for multiple hand
>granades linked together?
>After looking around for a bit i still can't find them?

Easy... just apply the "chunky salsa" rule for the overlapping areas of
effect.

[snip explosives]

>AND YET ANOTHER granade question is why has the MGL-6 got a
concealability
>of 6 when it can hold 6 concealability 8 mini-granades in just it's
clip!?

So... are you complaining that it's Conc. is too high or too low?

~Tim (btw, check your 'reply-to' field, it's overriding the list's)
Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Holy Hand Granades.
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:05:14 +0100
Simon.M said on 17:12/22 Nov 97...

> What exactly are the rules(or where are they found?) for multiple hand
> granades linked together?
> After looking around for a bit i still can't find them?

There aren't any. The easiest way to handle this is to just subject
potential victims to two blasts that originate at the same point.

Alternatively, you could use a variation on the rules for explosive
charges: take the square root of the number of kilograms and multiply it
by the power. In this case, that'd be the square root of the number of
handgrenades. For example, taping two offensive grenades together gives a
Power of 14.

> Also, why are hand granades so much more powerful than explosives? (ie. 1kg
> compound 12 is 12D. A hand granade weighing in at .25kg is 15S.).

Because the Power Level, at least in part, is armor penetration. A kilo of
C12 only causes damage by the shockwave of the explosion, while a
handgrenade not only has the shockwave but also steel fragments that must
be stopped by body armor.

> AND YET ANOTHER granade question is why has the MGL-6 got a
> concealability of 6 when it can hold 6 concealability 8 mini-granades in
> just it's clip!?

Why do some heavy pistols have a Concealability of 4 while some SMGs have
a 5? Concealability isn't just a question of the size of the weapon, also
of the overall design -- a streamlined weapon'll be easier to hide than
a similar one that's very bulky.

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Message no. 5
From: The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Holy Hand Granades.
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:24:05 -0600
On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Simon.M wrote:

> What exactly are the rules(or where are they found?) for multiple hand
> granades linked together?
> After looking around for a bit i still can't find them?

hmmm not sure and i dont have a BBB on me but i would just use the Chunky
Salsa rule for overlaping feilds of effects. (ya know i think thats one of
the best rule names ive have seen in an RPG, chunky salsa is so aprapo :))

> Also, why are hand granades so much more powerful than explosives? (ie. 1kg
> compound 12 is 12D. A hand granade weighing in at .25kg is 15S.).

Shrapnel. A block of pure HE will just generate an overpresure wave(like
a concusion grenade) whose power drops off as the Cube of the distance.
The fast moving jagged peices of metel called shrapnel will slow down
somewhere between linearly and with the square of the distance IIRC as
well as focusing that force in a small area instead of over the entire
body. (oops sorry starting a physics lecture. bad boy you just droped
that to a minor on friday.:)) If you would rap the HE with chain or a bag
of nails you would get the shrapnel effects and do a lot more damage than
that grenade(think pipebomb, car bomb) Does that help explain?

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com

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