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Message no. 1
From: Nexx Many-Scars nexx@********.net
Subject: Housing Wageslaves (was Re: Megacorporate Power (or lack thereof)
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:20:09 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.com>
>
> Now, they can either pay them in nuyen, or put them up in totally
equipped
> corporate enclaves. Remeber, these people are not vital to the success of
> the company, they just your typical commoditized employee. I can't see
them
> being put up in enclaves...

Actually, this can go two ways. If they pay them in nuyen, they've got to
pay them enough to buy retail, as well as find and pay for housing in the
competitive Seattle Market, which means the employees cost more real money.
This also means, however, they don't need to keep up any facilities or
enter the supermarket business.

OTOH, paying them in scrip and having them live in housing means that the
company has to pay to keep up housing, and people such as maintenance men.
This also includes things like opening some sort of Super-Wal-Mart level
store, where the folks can buy what they need. They also need to keep up
schools, because the kids having to leave the enclave isn't going to help
them, since the parents will want to live near schools. This saves money,
though, since the corporation can pay wholesale for the items in these
stores, and charge retail... but in scrip, which keeps the money in the
family. Also, they can monitor their employees very carefully with this
option... a few cameras placed in homes (maintained by company men),
knowing who and when people leave the compound... a lot of control,
especially if the compound is set up to be self-contained (from a residents
POV).

I think there would be a huge mix, and not just at the sensitive level.
Some corps, like Aztechnology, are gonna keep everyone in tight. However,
I can see Ares and Lone Star letting people live wherever they like (at
least, while they're in the UCAS and CAS).

*****
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Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: Housing Wageslaves (was Re: Megacorporate Power (or lack thereof)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:37:46 +1000
Nexx writes:
> I think there would be a huge mix, and not just at the sensitive level.
> Some corps, like Aztechnology, are gonna keep everyone in tight. However,
> I can see Ares and Lone Star letting people live wherever they like (at
> least, while they're in the UCAS and CAS).

And it would depend on the location.

For example: Before the Shutdown, Renraku would have housed virtually all of
its employees in the Seattle region in the Arcology. But in, say, New York,
where their presence is also strong but they don't have such a huge building
(or as many staff), they would have built an enclave for their senior execs
and let the rest of the wageslaves fend for themselves.

What it comes down to is a choice between the large up-front expense of
building the facilities versus the smaller but on-going expense of paying
real money for wages. In the long-term, the enclave method is cheaper, but
it costs more right now, and you need the employees in the area to justify
it.

Like every other corporate decision, it'll come down to the bottom line,
plus the whims of the board managers.

--
.sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 3
From: Bruce gyro@********.co.za
Subject: Housing Wageslaves (was Re: Megacorporate Power (or lack thereof)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:17:08 +0200
-----Original Message-----
From: Nexx Many-Scars <nexx@********.net>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 12 May 1999 04:28
Subject: Housing Wageslaves (was Re: Megacorporate Power (or lack
thereof)


>----- Original Message -----
>From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.com>
>>
>> Now, they can either pay them in nuyen, or put them up in totally
>equipped
>> corporate enclaves. Remeber, these people are not vital to the
success of
>> the company, they just your typical commoditized employee. I can't
see
>them
>> being put up in enclaves...
>
>Actually, this can go two ways. If they pay them in nuyen, they've
got to
>pay them enough to buy retail, as well as find and pay for housing in
the
>competitive Seattle Market, which means the employees cost more real
money.
>This also means, however, they don't need to keep up any facilities
or
>enter the supermarket business.
>
>OTOH, paying them in scrip and having them live in housing means that
the
>company has to pay to keep up housing, and people such as maintenance
men.
>This also includes things like opening some sort of Super-Wal-Mart
level
>store, where the folks can buy what they need. They also need to
keep up
>schools, because the kids having to leave the enclave isn't going to
help
>them, since the parents will want to live near schools. This saves
money,
>though, since the corporation can pay wholesale for the items in
these
>stores, and charge retail... but in scrip, which keeps the money in
the
>family. Also, they can monitor their employees very carefully with
this
>option... a few cameras placed in homes (maintained by company men),
>knowing who and when people leave the compound... a lot of control,
>especially if the compound is set up to be self-contained (from a
residents
>POV).
<snip>

How about having the employees in the enclaves do their shoping
electronically?
They would simply select their purchases from a massive range of
products and
have them delivered to the enclave. Security can monitor all purchases
and search
then for contraband. As to paying for them, the supplier can simply
invoice the enclave
holders for the salaryman's account. This amount can be deducted from
the wageslaves
wages come week or month end and hey presto! problem solved

- - BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za>

<hard@****>
Message no. 4
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: Housing Wageslaves (was Re: Megacorporate Power (or lack thereof)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:43:36 +1000
Bruce writes:
> How about having the employees in the enclaves do their shoping
> electronically?
> They would simply select their purchases from a massive range of
> products and
> have them delivered to the enclave. Security can monitor all purchases
> and search
> then for contraband. As to paying for them, the supplier can simply
> invoice the enclave
> holders for the salaryman's account. This amount can be deducted from
> the wageslaves
> wages come week or month end and hey presto! problem solved

How do you try on that item of clothing to make sure it looks right, first?

How do you buy a hot dog at the Combat Biker match you're going to tonight
(the tickets, of course, were bought electronically)?

How do you take a holiday to another country (or within your own)?

To put it simply: NOBODY would want to stay in an enclave ALL of the time.
As soon as they step outside, they need convertible currency. Corp scrip may
well be the dominant form of payment, especially for people who live in an
enclave, but there must be a way of converting it somehow.

--
.sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 5
From: Joshua Ring strago@***.com
Subject: Housing Wageslaves (was Re: Megacorporate Power (or lack thereof)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:30:09 -0400
Robert Watkins wrote:

> Bruce writes:
> > How about having the employees in the enclaves do their shoping
> > electronically?
> > They would simply select their purchases from a massive range of
> > products and
> > have them delivered to the enclave. Security can monitor all purchases
> > and search
> > then for contraband. As to paying for them, the supplier can simply
> > invoice the enclave
> > holders for the salaryman's account. This amount can be deducted from
> > the wageslaves
> > wages come week or month end and hey presto! problem solved
>
> How do you try on that item of clothing to make sure it looks right, first?
>
> How do you buy a hot dog at the Combat Biker match you're going to tonight
> (the tickets, of course, were bought electronically)?
>
> How do you take a holiday to another country (or within your own)?
>
> To put it simply: NOBODY would want to stay in an enclave ALL of the time.
> As soon as they step outside, they need convertible currency. Corp scrip may
> well be the dominant form of payment, especially for people who live in an
> enclave, but there must be a way of converting it somehow.
>
> --
> .sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com

But in Corporate Shadowfiles it says specifically (somewhere on pages 51-54)
that the corps REALLY don't like it if you convert corporate scrip. They even go
on killing sprees (hey, that's a game idea).

--
--Strago

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