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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: How easy the world is changed.
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 17:35:14 -0600
Tommorrow is November 23rd, 1993. It is the 30th anniversary of the
assination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas.

Why am I bringing it up? Because I've been doing a lot of thining about
that cold, grey day in Dallas and its implications of the wold after it.

What does this have to do with ShadowRun? Not much on the face of it.
But if you examine the issues a little bit, you start to realize how much
the world can change by one seemingly insignificant murder of a political
statesman. And when you realize how much we civlians rely on the word of
the government and take for granted that we are told the truth, it is
something that should terrify you.

In SR, the information discrimination so present in '63 is so much more
pronounced. Consiracies are a factor of life in SR.

Why am I rambling?

We all make it a point for our characters to know as much as they can
about the world around them. But if you take a deep breath and look
heard, you realize that there is so much they aren't allowed to know, and
that we as people of the word aren't allowed to know by our respective
governments, that is shoudl scare the living shit out of us.

Something to think about...

(sorry for rambling without reason. I'm the list administrator, I guess
I can do that [must be facist government in action, eh?]). :-)

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Message no. 2
From: Ben Acosta <BACOSTA1@*****.BITNET>
Subject: Re: How easy the world is changed.
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 20:22:35 CST
Speaking about assasinations, wasn't one of the last U.S. Presidents in
Shadowrun history also the victim of a mysterious assasination. As I remember,
it was the President two administrations away from the one that was responsible
for putting the Indians in camps. And they never found the assasasin in the
official investigation. I remember the Shadowrun I book mentioning that this
President was considered by some to be the last one who might have had the
motivation and chance to reverse the direction the U.S. was going in. The
history section only mentions only this in passing, but it seems to me we have
the makings of a J.F.K type figure for Shadowrun. He could have been seen as
the last great hope for a better world and a lot of people might have come to
see him in the same sort of light that Kennedy is seen in today.

Conspiracy theories would probably spring up just like they did with the J.F.K.
assasination and people would try to cash in on him just as people try to cash
in on Kennedy today. People would be accusing all sorts of institutions such
as the the Government,a Megacorp, the Japanese, Ancient Elves, the Aztecs,
Organized Crime, all of the above, etc, etc. There might even be a 2054
Oliver Stone Wanna Be who makes a Trid or Simsense story about it.

And of course, this being Shadowrun, one of the conspiracy theories might be
true. Am I the only one who saw a possible parallel between J.F.K. and
Shadowrun's fictional president (forgot his name) or did any one else notice
the possibility. And if you did, do you think FASA set this up deliberately
or that it's just a coincidence?

Comments welcome, No flames please.

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Message no. 3
From: John Fox <johnf@*****.EDU>
Subject: Re: How easy the world is changed.
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 21:49:09 -0600
On Sun, 21 Nov 1993, Ben Acosta wrote:

> Speaking about assasinations, wasn't one of the last U.S. Presidents in
> Shadowrun history also the victim of a mysterious assasination. As I remember,
> it was the President two administrations away from the one that was responsible
> for putting the Indians in camps. And they never found the assasasin in the
> official investigation. I remember the Shadowrun I book mentioning that this
> President was considered by some to be the last one who might have had the
> motivation and chance to reverse the direction the U.S. was going in. The
> history section only mentions only this in passing, but it seems to me we have
> the makings of a J.F.K type figure for Shadowrun. He could have been seen as
> the last great hope for a better world and a lot of people might have come to
> see him in the same sort of light that Kennedy is seen in today.
>
> And of course, this being Shadowrun, one of the conspiracy theories might be
> true. Am I the only one who saw a possible parallel between J.F.K. and
> Shadowrun's fictional president (forgot his name) or did any one else notice
> the possibility. And if you did, do you think FASA set this up deliberately
> or that it's just a coincidence?

Sorry, but please reread the SR rulebook ("And So it Came to Pass") and
the NAG to North America before making such a long post. The SR president
who was assasinated was Garrety, the same person who started the
whole Indian thing. The leaders of the USSR, Israel, and Great Britain
were also killed about the same time. In SR2, the USSR is replaced by
Russia...

John Fox
johnf@*****.edu
Message no. 4
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@********.CLARK.NET>
Subject: Re: How easy the world is changed.
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 12:33:04 -0500
On Sun, 21 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

But if you take a deep breath and look
> heard, you realize that there is so much they aren't allowed to know, and
> that we as people of the word aren't allowed to know by our respective
> governments, that is shoudl scare the living shit out of us.
>
> Something to think about...

I WOrk for our govt think how i feel.....
and belive me there are things just not worth knowing
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Message no. 5
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: How easy the world is changed.
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 17:55:56 GMT
> I WOrk for our govt think how i feel.....
> and belive me there are things just not worth knowing

Why ? Because they are too boring ? Or becasue the poor voter should
think that their govt never does anything wrong. Or because all politicians
are all part of a secret cult that plan to feed us to the dragons in the year
2011 :)

Phill.
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Phillip Steele - Email address P.C.Steele@***.ac.uk | An Uzi a day keeps the
Department Of Electrical & Electronic Engineering | politicians at bay O O
University Of Newcastle Upon Tyne, England | |
Land of the mad Geordies | The Powerhouse \_/
Message no. 6
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@********.CLARK.NET>
Subject: Re: How easy the world is changed.
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 16:34:08 -0500
On Mon, 22 Nov 1993, The Powerhouse wrote:

Or becasue the poor voter should
> think that their govt never does anything wrong.

if he does he is more than poor

Or because all politicians
> are all part of a secret cult that plan to feed us to the dragons in the year
> 2011 :)
>
I SEE you have heard of d- group
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