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Message no. 1
From: Sir Philos Nex <philos@****.NET>
Subject: How many runners actually go SINless? (was Johnsons and being
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:37:58 -0400
Lady Jestyr wrote:

> >> II wonder just how corrupt the courts would be in 2060? My guess is pretty
> >> corrupted. So all a johnson has to do is pay off a judge, assuming that the
> >> runners try and frame him legally. There is also the clause in the law
> system
> >> that if you enter into a contract illegally or the contract is for illegal
> >> deeds then you have no legal recourse. However, how many runners are gonna
> >> take their johnsons to court? Hopefully none.
> >
> > How can the SINless take people to court anyways? :)
>
> Yet again we have the assumption that all runners are SINless... this is
> not necessarily true, you know.
>

Fair enough... I guess that would be a good question to ask...How many have
had their characters go SINless and how many gamemasters have had their players
choose SINless over SINed? :) From my experience almost everyone has gone the
SINless route as it's easier to try to flash fake stuff than the real thing..

> Lady Jestyr
>
> - Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
> jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr



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Message no. 2
From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: How many runners actually go SINless? (was Johnsons and being
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:24:41 -0400
On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 08:37:58PM -0400, Sir Philos Nex wrote:
> Fair enough... I guess that would be a good question to ask...How many have
> had their characters go SINless and how many gamemasters have had their players
> choose SINless over SINed? :) From my experience almost everyone has gone the
> SINless route as it's easier to try to flash fake stuff than the real thing..
>

Well, let's see. Of my last three characters, the first was a UCAS
military, er, asset, recently sold up the river (along with the rest of his
unit) and presumed dead. He had a real SIN on file with the Army, which was
both a bit obscure and marked 'DEAD', and a fake identity (matching those of
the rest of his unit) claiming he was a commercial soldier and member in good
standing of the Mercenary's Guild. The next, a decker, had a real SIN but
avoided using it in illegal ways - he was well aware, professionally, of how
easy such things are to track. He paid his taxes (reporting some portion of
his income as 'Consulting Fees' and spending the rest on things like his
deck, which he didn't 'officially' own anyway), and was generally a good
little citizen. He also had (eventually) a fake SIN for the purposes of
travel & such. By the time he needed it, he could afford it.
My next character started the game with a SIN, but lost it (and
his job, and his apartment) about 10 minutes into his prelude. I'm guessing
the next things he'll lose will be his temper and his mind, but we'll see.
If he lives long enough, and can't get his own identity back, I expect
he'll be looking for a wake one as well. There're certain kinds of
business (like, say, stock transactions) that he's interested in that
are mighty hard if you don't exist.
Two of those characters, though, were gainfully employed (at some
point), and two of them (not the same two) lived a Middle lifestyle. If
you have a runner who grew up in dirt and is happy with a Low lifestyle,
he can probably get by without a SIN...as long as he never wants to cross
national borders, or can afford to pay a smuggler.

--Sean
--
Sean McCrohan (mccrohan@**.gatech.edu) | "He uses his folly as a stalking
Grad Student, Human-Computer Interaction | horse, and under the presentation
Georgia Institute of Technology | of that he shoots his wit."
http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~smccrohan | _As You Like It_, Act 5 Sc 4
Message no. 3
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: How many runners actually go SINless? (was Johnsons and being
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:56:39 -0500
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:37:58 -0400 Sir Philos Nex <philos@****.NET>
writes:
>Lady Jestyr wrote:
<SNIP>
>> Yet again we have the assumption that all runners are SINless... this
is
>> not necessarily true, you know.

> Fair enough... I guess that would be a good question to ask...How
many have
>had their characters go SINless and how many gamemasters have had their
players
>choose SINless over SINed? :) From my experience almost everyone has
gone the
>SINless route as it's easier to try to flash fake stuff than the real
thing..

I have 4 charcters currently.
1 who had a SIN, got it erased, got arrested (and thus got a SIN) and
bought a fake SIN.
1 who had a SIN, got it erased, and bought a fake SIN.
1 who doesn't have and never did have a SIN.
1 who has a SIN.

(Btw, I treat Rating 6 fake SINs as real SINs as far as Shadowbeat
Lifestyles are concerned.)

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."
--T-Bone(?)

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Message no. 4
From: Joshua Mumme <grimlakin@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: How many runners actually go SINless? (was Johnsons and being
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:07:21 -0500
<KRAZY SNIPPIN MAN!>

>Lady Jestyr wrote:
> Fair enough... I guess that would be a good question to ask...How many
have
>had their characters go SINless and how many gamemasters have had their
players
>choose SINless over SINed? :) From my experience almost everyone has gone
the
>SINless route as it's easier to try to flash fake stuff than the real
thing..
>
>> Lady Jestyr
>>
>> - Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
>> jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr

Well I know the character I am about to play indeed does have a SIN. But
that was becuse of PR and background story that I am just not going to go
into. Anyway Their a benefits to haveing a sin and to not haveing a sin.
Just claim sinlessness when ya get picked up but I will better explain how
well it impacts game play after this Sunday when I do get to play.
Message no. 5
From: "XaOs [David Goth]" <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: How many runners actually go SINless? (was Johnsons and being
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:54:19 -0500
> Just claim sinlessness when ya get picked up but I will better explain how
> well it impacts game play after this Sunday when I do get to play.

Wouldn't it be difficult to 'claim sinlessness' if the arresting authority
has access to your SIN-identifiable material? (I.E. retinal scans,
fingerprints, DNA material, random-identifiers-that-I-don't-know-about,
etc.)



-XaOs-
xaos@*****.net
-David Goth-

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