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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: How to kill a dragon
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 12:36:39 -0600
The obvious way to kill a dragon is to save up about 100 karma points,
and then attack them with a butter knife, spending all of the karma on
auto-successes.

Sheesh, like it's not obvious or something.

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Message no. 2
From: Ben Jordan <jordanbd@***.BELOIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: How to kill a dragon
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 21:46:34 +22310502
First, hehe, you get a rigger, or mabie two. Then you give them, hehe, very
big guns and decent control pools. Then you get a mage with a few big
elementals (like 10+ force) and you, giggle giggle, get a really huge karma
pool. Then you post a bunch of people in the area with more big guns or
very high gun skills and combat pools. Then you (HA HA HA HA) have another
dragon show up and fight the dragon you are trying to kill.

That is how my party did it. We should have been toast, but the elves we
were meeting with had a feathered serpent for backup. Unfortionatly, it
didn't stick around longer that nessacary to cover the elves retreat. So
here we are with a Western dragon with a meduim wound and only the party to
deal with it. We have already gone through three helos and a panzer (not too
tough--they were spred out and we had a lot of firepower) and it is open
country with no place to run to.

Then you lose half your party, but you will probably get the dragon too. I
don't really consider losing half the party a real winning situation though...

The survivors get a lot of karma though. hehe. Bought me some great elementals.

Does anyone else play with a group karma pool for their party(s)? We have a
sizable one now, around 30 karma. I find that it makes life a lot easier.
Of coures we just go up against bigger things now...
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Message no. 3
From: The Reverend <mdb0213@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: How to kill a dragon
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 02:50:44 -0600
]The obvious way to kill a dragon is to save up about 100 karma points,
]and then attack them with a butter knife, spending all of the karma on
]auto-successes.
]
]Sheesh, like it's not obvious or something.

Okay, Rob, but how do you do it under SR2? (Need to get the one success, and
no more auto-successes!) Just take a Physad?

Rev
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Message no. 4
From: Chris Siebenmann <cks@********.UTCS.TORONTO.EDU>
Subject: Re: How to kill a dragon
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 03:53:25 -0500
I would no more give a greater dragon stats than I would give
Harlequin stats. Remember that Aden razed Tehran to express his
displeasure with the Ayatollah there, and that Tehran can be assumed
to have both magical and mundane defenders.

Greater dragons should be *scary*. If necessary, cheat madly to make
this so.

- cks
Message no. 5
From: Jacob Collins Haldeman <jch8169@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: How to kill a dragon
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 03:18:31 -0600
Von Herrn Hayden:

> The obvious way to kill a dragon is to save up about 100 karma points,
> and then attack them with a butter knife, spending all of the karma on
> auto-successes.

As I said on the first occasion this abominable idea was proposed:

That...is SICK!

Colonel Count von Hohenzollern und von Doom, DMSc, DSc, PhD.

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Message no. 6
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: How to kill a dragon
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 19:10:22 +0930
>
> I would no more give a greater dragon stats than I would give
>Harlequin stats. Remember that Aden razed Tehran to express his
>displeasure with the Ayatollah there, and that Tehran can be assumed
>to have both magical and mundane defenders.
>
Iran is Shi'ite Islam. Shi'ites have declared the ability to use magic a
capital crime. Somehow I don't think there was much magic opposing Aden, and
let's face it, magic is needed to take down a greater dragon.

While I'm on the topic: The "easiest" way I can think of to take down a dragon
is this: get in close, take heavy casualties, run away after getting some
blood/scales/etc.

Fly to somewhere far far far away.

Zap the dragon with mondo ritual magic. Hope he drops before he gets there
physically. Give the dragon a reason to think he'd be endangered if he goes
astral to zap the ritual team.

Of course, this has it's own problems. You'll need a reclusive dragon (i.e.,
one that wouldn't have corporate contacts, or buddies who'd be willing to help,
etc).

While I haven't tried this with a greater dragon, a party I was gm'ing tried it
with a lesser one. Not very successfully, I may add.

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Message no. 7
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: How to kill a dragon
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 17:06:29 GMT
> I would no more give a greater dragon stats than I would give
> Harlequin stats. Remember that Aden razed Tehran to express his
> displeasure with the Ayatollah there, and that Tehran can be assumed
> to have both magical and mundane defenders.

Well as someone mentioned Tehran has a policy of death to people practising
magic. However I don't think they'd be worried about applying this rule to
themselves somehow. The real reason Aden trashed Tehran is that magic had only
just arrived in the world, what with the few magicians Tehran had cowering
under their setees, Tehran was up the proverbial creek.

Tehran 2054 is proabably analgous to Britain but more so. The only people
allowed to pratice magic over there are the goct secret service and they sure
as hell aren't teling anyone that they are :)

> Greater dragons should be *scary*. If necessary, cheat madly to make
> this so.

Yep, I'd go along with this view, the GM is after all God :)

Phill.
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Message no. 8
From: Chris Siebenmann <cks@********.UTCS.TORONTO.EDU>
Subject: Re: How to kill a dragon
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 14:05:08 -0500
| Iran is Shi'ite Islam. Shi'ites have declared the ability to use
| magic a capital crime. Somehow I don't think there was much magic
| opposing Aden, and let's face it, magic is needed to take down a
| greater dragon.

I suspect that if you turned over the Shi'ite clergy in 2050, you
would all sorts of interesting people getting 'miracles from God'
when the chips went down, or just when no one was looking very hard.

- cks
Message no. 9
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: How to kill a dragon
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 12:13:21 +0930
>
>> I would no more give a greater dragon stats than I would give
>> Harlequin stats. Remember that Aden razed Tehran to express his
>> displeasure with the Ayatollah there, and that Tehran can be assumed
>> to have both magical and mundane defenders.
>
>Well as someone mentioned Tehran has a policy of death to people practising
>magic. However I don't think they'd be worried about applying this rule to
>themselves somehow. The real reason Aden trashed Tehran is that magic had only
>just arrived in the world, what with the few magicians Tehran had cowering
>under their setees, Tehran was up the proverbial creek.

I think they would apply this rule to themselves, as the argument is based on
their religion. After all, Europeans and Americans burnt and hung "witches" all
through the 2nd Millenium (the one that's almost over), and some of those
"witches" were childhood friends, for example.

Aden, after all, trashed Tehran cause the Ayatollah declared a jihad, or holy
war, against the Awakened world.

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