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Message no. 1
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Humanis
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:13:31 -0500
>To put a Shadowrun twist on this is Humanis a legal political
>party or a banned organisation in your game? It could be
>scary if they were a legally recognised politcal party.

Not a party, per se, but they are a legal (if mostly unwanted) lobbying
organization, at least in my game. Your mileage may vary, of course. The
KKK is still a legal organization here in the real world, even if they are
outmoded and vile.

And yeah, they can be pretty scary. There's a goodly chance that at least
one run in an upcoming campaign will be aimed against them. One of my NPCs
has some cause to want to bring Kenneth Brackhaven (he of the failed UCAS
presidential bid) down a peg or three, and wouldn't be above hiring a team
to go against him. Especially since she believes he's somehow connected to
the Big D's assassination.... (Hey, I know the truth, but Retha doesn't have
any way of sharing in that. <g>)

>I personally don't have any source material on them and
>was wondering if there was ever anything printed.

There hasn't been a specific sourcebook or anything, but they figure in a
lot of the other books. I know the old DNA/DOA module centered around them,
and they turned up a lot in the election materials from recent months.
Matter of fact, somewhere along the line they've figured in everything, just
about. There's a small piece about them in the UNDERWORLD sourcebook.
Message no. 2
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:21:42 -0400
At 12:13 AM 7/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>To put a Shadowrun twist on this is Humanis a legal political
>>party or a banned organisation in your game? It could be
>>scary if they were a legally recognised politcal party.
>
>Not a party, per se, but they are a legal (if mostly unwanted) lobbying
>organization, at least in my game. Your mileage may vary, of course. The
>KKK is still a legal organization here in the real world, even if they are
>outmoded and vile.

I think it's FASA canon that the Humanis Policlub is a registered political
organization in most jurisdictions. Doesn't mean they are legal in every
city and county though.

In my game, and I've seen some indications from FASA in their books that
they have similar thoughts, every Humanis member isn't a frothing at the
mouth, sheet-wearing, cross-burning rascist. To some humans, it's a
protection society, working to protect their rights and jobs from
metahumans (who aren't necessarily evil and bad). To others it's just a
club where they can share their hate and dislike, but action is pretty few
and far between. Only the hardcore members are the rabid monsters most
folks think of when Humanis is mentioned.

My only advice regarding Humanis is to treat their members as real people,
not cardboard cutout monsters. They might hate trolls, but I'm sure they
love their family, you know? I go into this more in my web site (which
will be getting a major overhaul this week).

Erik J.

http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
The Reality Check for a Fictional World
Message no. 3
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Humanis
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:04:27 -0500
While the majority of sources would indicate that the Humanis are only
anti-metahuman, some things actually point to the fact that they're
occasionally against everyone who isn't a WHASP (like in the Denver
sourcebook, talking about Chinatown in the CAS Sector). Add in the fact
that all the art I've seen of them has been of a WHAS?...

So what's the official stance of the Humanis? Anti-troggie, squat, and
dandelion eater, or do they hate most everyone else, too?

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
*
I am a rovin' sportin' blade
they call me Jack of all Trades
I always found my chief delight
in courting pretty fair maids.
-"The Dublin Jack of All Trades"
Message no. 4
From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:15:19 -0400
Nexx wrote:
> While the majority of sources would indicate that the Humanis are only
> anti-metahuman, some things actually point to the fact that they're
> occasionally against everyone who isn't a WHASP (like in the Denver
> sourcebook, talking about Chinatown in the CAS Sector). Add in the fact
> that all the art I've seen of them has been of a WHAS?...
>
> So what's the official stance of the Humanis? Anti-troggie, squat, an
> dandelion eater, or do they hate most everyone else, too?

"I'm not prejudiced! I hate /everyone/ who's not like me!"

--Sean
Message no. 5
From: Fixer <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:41:37 -0400
On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Nexx wrote:

-> While the majority of sources would indicate that the Humanis are only
->anti-metahuman, some things actually point to the fact that they're
->occasionally against everyone who isn't a WHASP (like in the Denver
->sourcebook, talking about Chinatown in the CAS Sector). Add in the fact
->that all the art I've seen of them has been of a WHAS?...
->
-> So what's the official stance of the Humanis? Anti-troggie, squat, and
->dandelion eater, or do they hate most everyone else, too?

Imagine a hate group without a target in their charter. They
change targets as desired and can tell folks, "we don't hate troggies,
haven't gone after any of them in years, been focusing all our efforts on
the damned fairies and squats in the Tir, the Troggies don't come until
later."
In my world, Humanis isn't incredibly active, except in short
bursts of destruction. This would prevent all-out political blacklisting
while allowing the group to still have a means to their end. Everything
has gone, like the rest of the conflict, to the shadows... so it can be
deniable.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 6
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:02:30 -0400
Nexx wrote:
>
> So what's the official stance of the Humanis? Anti-troggie, squat, and
> dandelion eater, or do they hate most everyone else, too?

Probably depends on where you are. A lot of people forget that the Ku
Klux Klan in the nineteenth century was originally an anti-immigrant
organization.. Since then they've mutated to a white-supremacist group,
but they've spent most of their time over the last several decades
persecuting black people almost exclusively (most of whom never qualified
as "immigrant" in their ancestry anyway.)

You'd probably see the Humanis Policlub overlapping with and incorporating
the goals of the KKK and other hate groups, wherever those groups are
strong. So in the Deep South you might see Humanis as "straight white
humans only," in New England they'd be anti-metahuman but little else, in
the Midwest they might be anti-metahuman and anti-Semitic.. Whatever they
can do to bring together people's negative emotions.


And that's about all I can say before I start launching into a rant. The
KKK is one of the things I hate most about the South. (Well, also
insects. But I repeat myself.)


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 7
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:04:23 -0400
Sean McCrohan wrote:
>
> "I'm not prejudiced! I hate /everyone/ who's not like me!"

"Bigotry is stupid. It doesn't make any sense -- there are *plenty* of
reasons to dislike people on an *individual* basis!"
(Some comedian, I wish I could remember which)


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 8
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:50:27 -0500
----------
> From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
>
> And that's about all I can say before I start launching into a rant.
The
> KKK is one of the things I hate most about the South. (Well, also
> insects. But I repeat myself.)

The sole good thing about Barney is he pisses off the KKK.
Message no. 9
From: Smilin' Ted <Tuvyah@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:54:16 EDT
In a message dated 9/21/98 11:05:50 AM, Sfeley wrote:

>Probably depends on where you are. A lot of people forget that the Ku
>Klux Klan in the nineteenth century was originally an anti-immigrant
>organization.. Since then they've mutated to a white-supremacist group,
>but they've spent most of their time over the last several decades
>persecuting black people almost exclusively (most of whom never qualified
>as "immigrant" in their ancestry anyway.)

Actually, Steve, you've got it backwards. The original Klan was formed after
the Civil War to resist the North's Reconstruction policies in the South, to
"maintain order", keep the Blacks "in line" and resist Northern
Carpetbaggers.
In short, it was just what you'd expect from today's Klan. It was officially
disbanded in 1869, although local chapters continued for years.

The national Klan was reformed in 1915, and it was *this* Klan that had an
intense anti-immigrant platform to it, one which continues to this day, of
course. It's now joined by various militia, White Supremacy, and "Christian
Identity" groups, and it's just as loathesome as ever.
Message no. 10
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:29:04 -0400
Smilin' Ted wrote:
>
> Actually, Steve, you've got it backwards. The original Klan was formed after
> the Civil War to resist the North's Reconstruction policies in the South, to
> "maintain order", keep the Blacks "in line" and resist Northern
Carpetbaggers.
> In short, it was just what you'd expect from today's Klan. It was officially
> disbanded in 1869, although local chapters continued for years.

Gotcha. You're probably right; I stand corrected. (This is what happens
when you try to lecture people on what you remember from eleventh grade
social studies.) >8->


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 11
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:40:48 -0400
At 01:04 PM 9/21/98 -0500, you wrote:

> So what's the official stance of the Humanis? Anti-troggie,
squat, and
>dandelion eater, or do they hate most everyone else, too?

You can count on an anti-metahuman stance and in many chapters, an
anti-magic stance too.

But their specific target for that day/week/month/year is likely to shift,
dependent on their membership and recent events.

You'll also find certain chapters that will carry their hatred over to more
"traditional" targets for racial hatred, including but not limited to
blacks, asians, hispanics, native americans and even women (though, on a
sideways note, I think it odd Humanis is portrayed as 100% male; there
would certainly be women included too, men don't have a monopoly on hatred).

So it all depends on the individual chapter and whatever the GM needs from
them and the game as a whole.

Erik J.


http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
The Reality Check for a Fictional World
Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:31:41 +0200
According to Sean McCrohan, at 14:15 on 21 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> "I'm not prejudiced! I hate /everyone/ who's not like me!"

I know it was a joke, but prejudice and hate are not the same thing. Being
prejudiced means you have ideas about (usually) people without those ideas
being based on interaction with those people -- "pre-judging" them, IOW
judging them before you know them. And this is something just aout
_everybody_ does to some degree or other. Does that mean we all hate those
things? I'd say no, we don't.

--
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Message no. 13
From: Smilin' Ted <Tuvyah@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:01:39 EDT
In a message dated 9/22/98 2:35:28 AM, Gurth wrote:

>I know it was a joke, but prejudice and hate are not the same thing. Being
>prejudiced means you have ideas about (usually) people without those ideas
>being based on interaction with those people -- "pre-judging" them, IOW
>judging them before you know them. And this is something just aout
>_everybody_ does to some degree or other. Does that mean we all hate those
>things? I'd say no, we don't.

I agree. The proper term is "bigotry". Not only is it more accurate, it
*sounds* uglier...as it should.

ST
Message no. 14
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:15:06 +0000
> While the majority of sources would indicate that the Humanis are only
> anti-metahuman, some things actually point to the fact that they're
> occasionally against everyone who isn't a WHASP (like in the Denver
> sourcebook, talking about Chinatown in the CAS Sector). Add in the fact
> that all the art I've seen of them has been of a WHAS?...
>
> So what's the official stance of the Humanis? Anti-troggie, squat, and
> dandelion eater, or do they hate most everyone else, too?

I would assume since they are called HUMANis that they are for humans
and against the rest of them. But then that is only a theory I have.

It is one with holes thou since Elfs are Humanis nobilis or whatever
and the rest of them are something like that to. So that theory sort
of bites but then noone ever said Humanis was heavy into brainpower
:)

As we see them over here in out game they (Humanis) are pretty much
an anti-awakened group. They like Humans and not the rest, there are
some member that use and like magic thou but they use it to fight for
there "race" so it is like fighting fire with fire. If you are
white/black/yellow/red/green or whatever doesn't matter as long as
you are human.

I guess there is a difference with for example the Aryan nation since
then you probably have to be white to.

/Stefan


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Message no. 15
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: Humanis
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:15:30 +0000
According to Stefan, at 23:15 on 23 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> As we see them over here in out game they (Humanis) are pretty much
> an anti-awakened group. They like Humans and not the rest, there are
> some member that use and like magic thou but they use it to fight for
> there "race" so it is like fighting fire with fire. If you are
> white/black/yellow/red/green or whatever doesn't matter as long as
> you are human.

Humanis are also generally considered to be anti-native American, because
of the NAN taking over what they consider to be their land, part of the
old USA and all that.

--
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