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Message no. 1
From: Adam Getchell <acgetchell@*******.EDU>
Subject: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:23:06 -0700
>Kendo is quite as much use as it is made out to be. I have done both Kendo
>and aiaido (SP?) in the past and have possessed live swords for some 10
>years and found that Aiaido is more of a combat effective martial art than
>Kendo. Even though kendo regularily has tournaments.

Well, you iaido guys don't mess around. ;-) Kill them whilst drawing your
sword, cut them again for good measure, flick the blade to rid it of blood,
clean the blade with rice paper and sheathe it, all in the same sequence.
Change cut angle slightly if you need to kill the swordsman behind you.

In enjoy iaido as well, but I'm a rank beginner at it.

Aikido is also based significantly on the sword. ;-) The proper quality of
motion for many throws can only be understood in the context of cutting
properly.

--Adam

acgetchell@*******.edu
"Invincibility is in oneself, vulnerability in the opponent." --Sun Tzu
Message no. 2
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:32:29 -0400
Adam Getchell wrote:
<snip>
>
> Aikido is also based significantly on the sword. ;-) The proper quality of
> motion for many throws can only be understood in the context of cutting
> properly.

I beg to differ, actually...most of the basis of aikido is turning an
enemy's force against him. It's very heavy on throws and locks. I
consider it a pacifistic martial art, but my mom seems to like it. I
prefer Tae Kwon Do.

--Jett

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Message no. 3
From: Adam Getchell <acgetchell@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:39:19 -0700
>I beg to differ, actually...most of the basis of aikido is turning an
>enemy's force against him. It's very heavy on throws and locks. I
>consider it a pacifistic martial art, but my mom seems to like it. I
>prefer Tae Kwon Do.

Do you practice Aikido?

You should go back and look at Ueshiba sensei's life, then. He says this
several times that Aikiken is essential to properly understanding Aikido.
Also, you should talk with Chiba sensei (8th dan) or Shibata sensei, who
say pretty much the same thing. Finally, my own practice of Aikido under
5th dan Sensei Birt bears this out.

I like Taekwondo, myself, as well.

>--Jett
--Adam

acgetchell@*******.edu
"Invincibility is in oneself, vulnerability in the opponent." --Sun Tzu
Message no. 4
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:45:40 -0400
At 09:32 PM 8/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Adam Getchell wrote:

>> Aikido is also based significantly on the sword. ;-) The proper quality of
>> motion for many throws can only be understood in the context of cutting
>> properly.
>
>I beg to differ, actually...most of the basis of aikido is turning an
>enemy's force against him. It's very heavy on throws and locks. I
>consider it a pacifistic martial art, but my mom seems to like it. I
>prefer Tae Kwon Do.

Actually Jett, look at the motions of the two arts; you'll notice many
similarities. Yes, aikido is "known" as a defensive martial art in which
you turn an attack against itself. But many of the motions have a lot
similarities, at least cosmetically, at least to my eyes.

I would strongly suspect that understanding one art would be very helpful
in learning the other in this situation.

Erik J.
Message no. 5
From: Adam Getchell <acgetchell@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:39:03 -0700
>Actually Jett, look at the motions of the two arts; you'll notice many
>similarities. Yes, aikido is "known" as a defensive martial art in which
>you turn an attack against itself. But many of the motions have a lot
>similarities, at least cosmetically, at least to my eyes.

Right. Shiho-nage is taken directly from swordwork.

>I would strongly suspect that understanding one art would be very helpful
>in learning the other in this situation.

Yes. Classical Aikido involves Aikiken and Aikijo (sword and jo staff).

>Erik J.

--Adam

acgetchell@*******.edu
"Invincibility is in oneself, vulnerability in the opponent." --Sun Tzu
Message no. 6
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:06:56 -0400
Erik Jameson wrote:

> Actually Jett, look at the motions of the two arts; you'll notice many
> similarities. Yes, aikido is "known" as a defensive martial art in which
> you turn an attack against itself. But many of the motions have a lot
> similarities, at least cosmetically, at least to my eyes.
>
> I would strongly suspect that understanding one art would be very helpful
> in learning the other in this situation.
>
> Erik J.

True. I guess it also depends on who your teacher is and what aspects of
the art he enforces. My mother practices Aikido, as I said, and her
instructor is VERY big on the defensive aspects. Me, I prefer a nice
swift front kick to the 'nads or a cross-elbow strike to the jaw to
discourage an attacker. My tae kwon do instructor, BTW, was a nasty
bugger, so the style we learned was VERY aggressive, heavy on kicks and
strikes with a few of the meaner locks and holds borrowed from another
martial art.
Anyway, I believe John Claude Van-Damme uses a mix of aikido and tae
kwon do, so I'm sure there are definitely places where the two arts
mesh.

--Jett

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"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

Behold the mighty sonic scream of the Jett!

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Message no. 7
From: Michael Broadwater <neon@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:53:01 -0500
At 03:06 PM 8/25/98 -0400, Jett wrote:

>Anyway, I believe John Claude Van-Damme uses a mix of aikido and tae
>kwon do,

Uh, no. He's a kick boxer.

>so I'm sure there are definitely places where the two arts
>mesh.

If you look at them carefully enough, you'll find a lot of places where
martial arts mix. Any art, or number of arts, used together by a skilled
practioner, can be combined to be effective.

These posts, which I find to be terribly interesting, btw, have reached the
point where they aren't connected to Sr. We need to either bring this back
in line with the rules discussion of martial arts, or drop it.


Mike Broadwater
Member of the Blackhand, White Wolf's Official Demo Team
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon/
Message no. 8
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:58:31 -0400
Michael Broadwater wrote:
>
> At 03:06 PM 8/25/98 -0400, Jett wrote:
>
> >Anyway, I believe John Claude Van-Damme uses a mix of aikido and tae
> >kwon do,
>
> Uh, no. He's a kick boxer.

SOMEONE, then...not sure who. Steven Seagal, maybe? I know one of these
action-hero types actually uses this combo.

--Jett

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"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

Behold the mighty sonic scream of the Jett!

http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow.htm
Message no. 9
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:15:50 EDT
In a message dated 8/25/98 3:59:34 PM AST, zmjett@*********.COM writes:

> SOMEONE, then...not sure who. Steven Seagal, maybe? I know one of these
> action-hero types actually uses this combo.
>
> --Jett
>

Segal uses Aikido but I don't know about the Tae Kwon Do. Some of the striking
moves could well be TKD.
Message no. 10
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:29:29 -0400
> SOMEONE, then...not sure who. Steven Seagal, maybe? I know one of
> these
> action-hero types actually uses this combo.
>
Segal uses Aikido and Judo. He grew up in Japan.

I got this little nugget at the local Aikido club demo.
You can defiantly see Segal's Aikido moves if you know what to look for.
Message no. 11
From: Adam Getchell <acgetchell@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:09:14 -0700
>Anyway, I believe John Claude Van-Damme uses a mix of aikido and tae
>kwon do, so I'm sure there are definitely places where the two arts
>mesh.

Jean Claude uses a mix of Shotokan (the art he claims to practice) and
ballet ... his footwork is definitely not Aikido.

>--Jett
--Adam

acgetchell@*******.edu
"Invincibility is in oneself, vulnerability in the opponent." --Sun Tzu
Message no. 12
From: Adam Getchell <acgetchell@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:19:08 -0700
>Segal uses Aikido but I don't know about the Tae Kwon Do. Some of the striking
>moves could well be TKD.

He studies Kali/Escrima ...
--Adam

acgetchell@*******.edu
"Invincibility is in oneself, vulnerability in the opponent." --Sun Tzu
Message no. 13
From: Duncan McNeill-Burton <dmcneill@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:38:48 -0400
Jett didst sayeth:

>Michael Broadwater wrote:
>>
>> At 03:06 PM 8/25/98 -0400, Jett wrote:
>>
>> >Anyway, I believe John Claude Van-Damme uses a mix of aikido and tae
>> >kwon do,
>>
>> Uh, no. He's a kick boxer.
>
>SOMEONE, then...not sure who. Steven Seagal, maybe? I know one of these
>action-hero types actually uses this combo.


It's Stevie boy. And bringing this back to SR, I believe he may very well
be the prototypic, too clam to be alive, dressed in black, beatdown machine.
The image is so cliched that I've got character who adopted it to help him
blend into the crowd.

Later-

Duncan McNeill-Burton
-Tech Priest in Training
-Violent Felon for Hire
-Pipe-wielding Sociopath for Fun
http://attila.stevens-tech.edu/~dmcneill
"Your eyes shiver and you grit your teeth,
You've sold you soul now cold blood's how you get relief."
-Ice-T, The Syndicate
Message no. 14
From: "kurt.bath" <kurt.bath@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:20:55 +0100
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Getchell <acgetchell@*******.EDU>
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 1:25 AM
Subject: Iaido (was Re: Capoeira)


>Well, you iaido guys don't mess around. ;-) Kill them whilst drawing your
>sword, cut them again for good measure, flick the blade to rid it of blood,
>clean the blade with rice paper and sheathe it, all in the same sequence.
>Change cut angle slightly if you need to kill the swordsman behind you.
>
>In enjoy iaido as well, but I'm a rank beginner at it.


You never really become anything than a rank beginner because there will
always be someone better. I finally managed to beat my tutor using a wooden
sword only th be taken apart by a guy how had only started a few weeks ago.
He was a quick learner, too quick he soon became board and complacent
Revenge is sweet!)
>
>Aikido is also based significantly on the sword. ;-) The proper quality of
>motion for many throws can only be understood in the context of cutting
>properly.
>
funnily enough I started with Aikido and then progressed onto Iaido when
they started to bring in the techniques for disarming an opponent with a
sword or a quaterstaff.

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