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Message no. 1
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:19:12 -0500 (EST)
Well, recently there has been a lot of discussion about posting questions
and comments IC (In Character) and I'd like to add in my r nuyen on it...:)

Blaze, a lady friend of Pete Sims, was pretty much blasted by plenty of
Napalm when she asked a simple question, and then confused everybody by
asking the question as her character, and no one realized it. She was
referred to ShadowTK, saying that this was for IC commenjts and questions
about the world...

Wrong... Not sure if anyone here is on ShadowTK, but I was on there for
about three weeks... During that time, no one botehred to answer the few
questions or comments that I made tehre or in Plot-D... Seems to me that
Shadowtk is really more for the purpose of an Online SR game... they have
several storylines that they're playing out... Questions about anything
didn't seem to be accepted...

And yes, I posted correctly...

ShadowTk sounds like a good idea in theory, but didn't quite come through
for me,so I unsubscribed...

Now, here's my thoughts... Since IC discussion about the world isn't
relevant to that list, where does it go? Our speculations are one thing,
but what about somebody really wants to here about it from another player's
characters point of view, to give them a feeling for it?

Well, here's a thought...

IF it's agreeable to teh guys (and gals) on the list, maybe this would work...

In the header, before each title, put teh letters IC: to show that the post
is an IC discussion about something... That way, anyone not ineterested
knows what it is immediately and could discard it...

Also, I know I'm guilty of this, but I agree that the subject headers must
be changed more often... After three or four responses, usually the topic
drifts and is no longer feasable to the Topic... This would also save some
people some time and energy, as they can just discard anything that says
Magic, if they only deal with Tech,,,:)

Well, just my thoughts....

-Bull-the-humbly-suggesting-new-ideas-decker-turned-GM



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-Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich
chaos@*****.com
Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?
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Message no. 2
From: Rick Jones <rick@******.COM>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:23:39 -0500 (CDT)
Not to sound like a grinch, but shadowTK *is* for IC discussion (as well
as their continuing stories). Over on the White Wolf lists, the IC folks
have made the Changeling and Werewolf lists completely unusable for game
discussion because everyone's talking about the size of their Klaives.

But I digress...

I was briefly on ShadowTK and folks were willing to just talk IC about
some things. My "character" started talking about the elections, and a
brief discussion of the '57 elections sprung up. Granted, 95% of the
discussion is about the ongoing threads, but some folks are willing to
just talk.

Anyway, the volume on ShadowRN is high enough without IC stuff filling it
up too. I don't mind it (and, in fact, enjoy IC discussion), but only on
places where it's supposed to be.

--
Rick Jones "Kinda hard to tell the villains without a scorecard."
rick@******.com -Scully, X-Files, Red Museum
Meyrick@***.com
http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/
Message no. 3
From: "Caric" <caric@*******.com>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:29:48 -0700
> IF it's agreeable to teh guys (and gals) on the list, maybe this would
work...
>
> In the header, before each title, put teh letters IC: to show that the
post
> is an IC discussion about something... That way, anyone not ineterested
> knows what it is immediately and could discard it...
>
> Also, I know I'm guilty of this, but I agree that the subject headers
must
> be changed more often... After three or four responses, usually the
topic
> drifts and is no longer feasable to the Topic... This would also save
some
> people some time and energy, as they can just discard anything that says
> Magic, if they only deal with Tech,,,:)

I think that would be cool. It would allow for interaction for those of us
who would like without inconveniencing anyone too much.

Caric-the-trying-to-check-the-header-more-often-shaman
Message no. 4
From: NightLife <habenir@******.san.uc.edu>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 18:47:25 -0700
>Anyway, the volume on ShadowRN is high enough without IC stuff filling it
>up too. I don't mind it (and, in fact, enjoy IC discussion), but only on
>places where it's supposed to be.
>
>--
>Rick Jones "Kinda hard to tell the villains without a
scorecard."
>rick@******.com -Scully, X-Files, Red Museum
>Meyrick@***.com
>http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/
>
I second the motion.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

If you have to ask then it's probably classified.
Which means that I have to follow protocol.
But if you ask nicley I might forget that you asked.
Then again maybe not.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Document Classified
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Message no. 5
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 04:16:23 +0100
In article <199610072119.QAA16550@***.ncweb.com>, Steven Ratkovich
<chaos@*****.com> writes
>Well, recently there has been a lot of discussion about posting questions
>and comments IC (In Character) and I'd like to add in my r nuyen on it...:)
>
>Blaze, a lady friend of Pete Sims, was pretty much blasted by plenty of
>Napalm when she asked a simple question, and then confused everybody by
>asking the question as her character, and no one realized it. She was
>referred to ShadowTK, saying that this was for IC commenjts and questions
>about the world...
>
>Wrong... Not sure if anyone here is on ShadowTK, but I was on there for
>about three weeks... During that time, no one botehred to answer the few
>questions or comments that I made tehre or in Plot-D... Seems to me that
>Shadowtk is really more for the purpose of an Online SR game... they have
>several storylines that they're playing out... Questions about anything
>didn't seem to be accepted...
>
>And yes, I posted correctly...
[snip]

It's nice to see someone else experienced the same thing. When I first
joined Shadowrn back in January, and subscribed to the other groups as
well, I got the same reaction in Shadowtk. After it was suggested to my
player that she try there, she used my subscription to post (albeit
incorrectly] and was personally and libelously attacked.

At least I know now it wasn't an anomaly, and that someone else received
similar treatment.

>Well, here's a thought...
>
>IF it's agreeable to teh guys (and gals) on the list, maybe this would work...
>
>In the header, before each title, put teh letters IC: to show that the post
>is an IC discussion about something... That way, anyone not ineterested
>knows what it is immediately and could discard it...

An interesting concept, but this assumes that people have the facility
to request some mails and disallow others, I don't know if this is the
case, my software just pulls everything in, though I personally wouldn't
mind this facility. And I suspect a lot of others would as well.

Pete
--
Pete Sims
Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 6
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:03:42 -0500 (EST)
>An interesting concept, but this assumes that people have the facility
>to request some mails and disallow others, I don't know if this is the
>case, my software just pulls everything in, though I personally wouldn't
>mind this facility. And I suspect a lot of others would as well.
>
I am on another another mailing list for Star Wars RPG, and they have it set
up so that it filters stuff for you if you want, although items have to be
posted a certain way... They have it currently set up to filter STATS: and
FLUFF:,..

It would be intersting to see if we could have something like that set up on
here... I, however, know very little about the net and E-mail, so I'm not
sure how easy or difficult such a task would be... :)



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-Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich
chaos@*****.com
Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?
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"Listen... You smell that?"
-Dr. Peter Venkman, "Ghostbusters"
Message no. 7
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:19:53 +0100
Steven Ratkovich said on 3:03/ 8 Oct 96...

> >An interesting concept, but this assumes that people have the facility
> >to request some mails and disallow others, I don't know if this is the
> >case, my software just pulls everything in, though I personally wouldn't
> >mind this facility. And I suspect a lot of others would as well.

My mailer (Pegasus for Windows) has fairly extensive filtering rules, but
my previous one (PC Eudora) sucked in this respect -- none at all, to be
precise.

> I am on another another mailing list for Star Wars RPG, and they have it set
> up so that it filters stuff for you if you want, although items have to be
> posted a certain way... They have it currently set up to filter STATS: and
> FLUFF:,..
>
> It would be intersting to see if we could have something like that set up on
> here... I, however, know very little about the net and E-mail, so I'm not
> sure how easy or difficult such a task would be... :)

I don't really see the need for putting different things in the headers
for different topics. It'll work for two days, and by that time what
started as "ARCHETYPE: new street sam" will be about whether or not a
green host will carry over the security tally from another host.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Learn their rules, play their game, deceive yourself in haste.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 8
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:24:31 +0100
In article <199610080803.DAA12381@***.ncweb.com>, Steven Ratkovich
<chaos@*****.com> writes
>>An interesting concept, but this assumes that people have the facility
>>to request some mails and disallow others, I don't know if this is the
>>case, my software just pulls everything in, though I personally wouldn't
>>mind this facility. And I suspect a lot of others would as well.
>>
>I am on another another mailing list for Star Wars RPG, and they have it set
>up so that it filters stuff for you if you want, although items have to be
>posted a certain way... They have it currently set up to filter STATS: and
>FLUFF:,..
>
>It would be intersting to see if we could have something like that set up on
>here... I, however, know very little about the net and E-mail, so I'm not
>sure how easy or difficult such a task would be... :)

Hey Gurth,or one of the other old timers, who are the people to talk to
about this. Obviously it can be discussed at length here in the list,
but then some people are going to get fed up with this conversation as
it's not *directly* Shadowrun related. Is there someone out there that
can be approached with these proposals, that will listen to the
suggestions and come back with a yes/no/maybe/can't be done answer ?????

Pete
--
Pete Sims
Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 9
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:27:15 +0100
In article <199610081122.NAA03335@**********.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.nl> writes

[snip]
>> It would be intersting to see if we could have something like that set up on
>> here... I, however, know very little about the net and E-mail, so I'm not
>> sure how easy or difficult such a task would be... :)
>
>I don't really see the need for putting different things in the headers
>for different topics. It'll work for two days, and by that time what
>started as "ARCHETYPE: new street sam" will be about whether or not a
>green host will carry over the security tally from another host.
>
You've got a point Gurth, but as you are probably aware, one of the
biggest gripes in here is that the headers aren't changed when the topic
strays. If an IC facility was mounted, and it was known to these people
that any thread that strayed away from IC wouldn't make it to the main
list, it might be a considerable incentive to those of us who don't
change the headers. :)

Just a thought :)

Pete
--
Pete Sims
Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 10
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:09:28 +0100
Pete Sims said on 0:27/ 9 Oct 96...

> You've got a point Gurth, but as you are probably aware, one of the
> biggest gripes in here is that the headers aren't changed when the topic
> strays.

That's what I said.

> If an IC facility was mounted, and it was known to these people that any
> thread that strayed away from IC wouldn't make it to the main list, it
> might be a considerable incentive to those of us who don't change the
> headers. :)

How would you let the mail server enforce an in-character discussion if
it's not by looking at the subject line? The mail server is just a dumb
program that won't see the difference between Blaze saying "What is tea?"
and her player's remark of "I know what tea is, but Blaze doesn't."
Putting IC in the subject line won't work if everybody and his dog forgets
to change it when it's no longer relevant, so what started as an IC
discussion, but has gone to OOC will still have "IC" in the subject line.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Learn their rules, play their game, deceive yourself in haste.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 11
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:09:28 +0100
Pete Sims said on 0:24/ 9 Oct 96...

> Hey Gurth,or one of the other old timers, who are the people to talk to
> about this. Obviously it can be discussed at length here in the list,
> but then some people are going to get fed up with this conversation as
> it's not *directly* Shadowrun related. Is there someone out there that
> can be approached with these proposals, that will listen to the
> suggestions and come back with a yes/no/maybe/can't be done answer ?????

I'd say either ask Rob Hayden (Fearless Leader) or Fro (Assistant FL).
Since Rob seems to have disappeared several months ago, Fro should be the
one to ask. I personally have no experience with setting up mailing lists
or the functions they can perform, but from my (limited) programming
knowledge I'd say you could always route messages being sent out through
another program that checks what's in the header, and doesn't distribute
them to people who don't want certain headers.

Still, my advise is to get a mailer that can filter, and when everybody
sticks to the header conventions (yeah, right) you can auto-delete them
yourself when they come in.

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Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Learn their rules, play their game, deceive yourself in haste.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 12
From: Tim Serpas <wretch@**.com>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:11:09 -0500 (CDT)
> How would you let the mail server enforce an in-character discussion if
> it's not by looking at the subject line? The mail server is just a dumb
> program that won't see the difference between Blaze saying "What is tea?"
> and her player's remark of "I know what tea is, but Blaze doesn't."
> Putting IC in the subject line won't work if everybody and his dog forgets
> to change it when it's no longer relevant, so what started as an IC
> discussion, but has gone to OOC will still have "IC" in the subject line.
>


Oh, and here I was avoiding the thread because I thought "IC" stood
for Intrusion Countermeasures and I had no intrest in a decking
discussion. Be careful not to adopt exisisting acronyms, esp. when
they're already in use in this context.


Peace, Love and Artichokes.
Tim Serpas
wretch@**.com
(Not Trevor Dreamingwolf, or even my decker Pagan.)
Message no. 13
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:54:09 -0500 (EST)
>Oh, and here I was avoiding the thread because I thought "IC" stood
>for Intrusion Countermeasures and I had no intrest in a decking
>discussion. Be careful not to adopt exisisting acronyms, esp. when
>they're already in use in this context.
>
>
Oops, sorry about that Tim...:( I forgot about that (and I'm a decker!
AHHH!) I've gotten used to MUSH and the list terminoligy overlapping that I
forgot about that... Sorry... In fact, I'm fixing the header now...

Ok, there... Better?

-Bull-the-amnesiac-decker-turned-GM



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-Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich
chaos@*****.com
Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?
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"I've got a bad feeling about this..."
-Just about everyone, in "Star Wars"
Message no. 14
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 01:35:20 +0100
In article <199610091111.NAA20477@**********.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.nl> writes
>
>How would you let the mail server enforce an in-character discussion if
>it's not by looking at the subject line? The mail server is just a dumb
>program that won't see the difference between Blaze saying "What is tea?"
>and her player's remark of "I know what tea is, but Blaze doesn't."
>Putting IC in the subject line won't work if everybody and his dog forgets
>to change it when it's no longer relevant, so what started as an IC
>discussion, but has gone to OOC will still have "IC" in the subject line.

Yeah, yeah your right, I make the assumption that people would change
headers, but then I'm one of the worst for not doing it. :( I get your
point about the "dumb" program too. OK, that idea's ben shot down in
flames. :)

Guess all us suppressed players are ust going to have to continue to be
suppressed.

Look, look, I'm being suppressed.!!

Pete
--
Pete Sims
Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 15
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 16:25:37 +0000
On 10 Oct 96 at 1:35, Pete Sims wrote:
[snip]
> Guess all us suppressed players are ust going to have to continue to be
> suppressed.
>
> Look, look, I'm being suppressed.!!

You are not even a player....
Sascha
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Message no. 16
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: IC Comments, Questions, and ShadowTK
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 04:46:34 +0100
In article <m0vCRTx-0004weC@*******.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>, Sascha
Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE> writes
>On 10 Oct 96 at 1:35, Pete Sims wrote:
>[snip]
>> Guess all us suppressed players are ust going to have to continue to be
>> suppressed.
>>
>> Look, look, I'm being suppressed.!!
>
>You are not even a player....
> Sascha

Which is why I feel i am justified in the complaint about being
suppressed. Nobody let's me play anything these days, I just keep
getting the rule books thrown at me, and told to runt he damn games.

<weep, whinge, grizzle, whine>
<wipes itinerant tear from eye>

BUt I make 'em suffer for it :)

Pete
--
Pete Sims
Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen

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