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Message no. 1
From: Michael Coleman <mscoleman@********.NET>
Subject: Iceland
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:57:07 -0500
I was reading NAN2 last night and noticed Iceland is part of Trans-Polar
Aleut Nation. Does anyone know how this was supposed to have happen? I
thought the people of Iceland were of European descent. And I can't
understand how a independent country became part of a Native American Nation
without having any Native Americans. Is there anyone on the list that has
any ideas on Iceland in 2060? Trans-Polar Aleut Nation also seemed to be a
pretty weak nation. It might have been powerful when magic was new to the
world but now most countries have some magic of their own. I wonder that
Trans-Polar Aleut Nation has not been gobbled up by its neighbors.
Especially by Tsimshian, which is ruthless to its own people.

On a different note does anyone know the status of Antarctica. The US has
tried to keep Antarctica as an international territory. But with all the
changes of millennium, there could be a land grab there. The US had the
strongest position all across the continent but many countries have strong
localize presence.

Mike
Message no. 2
From: Philippe Garneau <pgarneau@****.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:04:16 -0400
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Michael Coleman <mscoleman@********.NET>
À : SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date : 5 octobre, 1998 00:55
Objet : Iceland


>I was reading NAN2 last night and noticed Iceland is part of Trans-Polar
>Aleut Nation. Does anyone know how this was supposed to have happen? I
>thought the people of Iceland were of European descent. And I can't
>understand how a independent country became part of a Native American
Nation
>without having any Native Americans. Is there anyone on the list that has
>any ideas on Iceland in 2060? Trans-Polar Aleut Nation also seemed to be a
>pretty weak nation. It might have been powerful when magic was new to the
>world but now most countries have some magic of their own. I wonder that
>Trans-Polar Aleut Nation has not been gobbled up by its neighbors.


There'S a pretty good reason for that. It's very very very very remote,
the climate is harsh, and most neighboring nations are not equiped for a war
of conquest.


>Especially by Tsimshian, which is ruthless to its own people.
>


Check the map carefully, you'll find out that Tsimshan have no border with
the Trans-Polar Aleut.


>On a different note does anyone know the status of Antarctica. The US has
>tried to keep Antarctica as an international territory. But with all the
>changes of millennium, there could be a land grab there. The US had the
>strongest position all across the continent but many countries have strong
>localize presence.
>
>Mike
>

You might find some of megacorporate presence there, but as in the case of
Trans-Polar Aleut, the climate and the remoteness of that continent makes
ressources exploitation there very costly. Some research projects might
find the isolation of Antartica an asset, though.

Phil
Message no. 3
From: Michael Coleman <mscoleman@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:21:29 -0500
> Check the map carefully, you'll find out that Tsimshan have no border with
> the Trans-Polar Aleut.
>
> Phil
>

Oops! I did check the map before I posted but my brain must have misfired.

Mike
Message no. 4
From: Fixer <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:03:14 -0400
On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Philippe Garneau wrote:

->-----Message d'origine-----
->De : Michael Coleman <mscoleman@********.NET>
->À : SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
->Date : 5 octobre, 1998 00:55
->Objet : Iceland
->
->
->>I was reading NAN2 last night and noticed Iceland is part of Trans-Polar
->>Aleut Nation. Does anyone know how this was supposed to have happen? I
->>thought the people of Iceland were of European descent. And I can't
->>understand how a independent country became part of a Native American
->Nation
->>without having any Native Americans. Is there anyone on the list that h=
as
->>any ideas on Iceland in 2060? Trans-Polar Aleut Nation also seemed to b=
e a
->>pretty weak nation. It might have been powerful when magic was new to t=
he
->>world but now most countries have some magic of their own. I wonder tha=
t
->>Trans-Polar Aleut Nation has not been gobbled up by its neighbors.
->
->
->There'S a pretty good reason for that. It's very very very very remote,
->the climate is harsh, and most neighboring nations are not equiped for a =
war
->of conquest.

The climate isn't THAT harsh... it's actually a nicer place to
live than my home town in Alaska... ]:-)

->>On a different note does anyone know the status of Antarctica. The US h=
as
->>tried to keep Antarctica as an international territory. But with all th=
e
->>changes of millennium, there could be a land grab there. The US had the
->>strongest position all across the continent but many countries have stro=
ng
->>localize presence.
->
->You might find some of megacorporate presence there, but as in the case o=
f
->Trans-Polar Aleut, the climate and the remoteness of that continent makes
->ressources exploitation there very costly. Some research projects might
->find the isolation of Antartica an asset, though.

I agree on the research projects, adding in a lack of a permanent
matrix access (except, perhaps, by sattelite) and the climate, possibly
cold-natured paranormals, hell, no one in their right mind would try to
break into that complex, especially in the winter. Add in underground
(there's ground down there under all that snow and ice) bases with
geothermal heating & power, you have some pretty spiffy living spaces with
ultra security & not a lot of travelling salesmen.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 5
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:50:56 -0400
At 11:57 PM 10/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I was reading NAN2 last night and noticed Iceland is part of Trans-Polar
>Aleut Nation. Does anyone know how this was supposed to have happen? I
>thought the people of Iceland were of European descent. And I can't
>understand how a independent country became part of a Native American Nation
>without having any Native Americans. Is there anyone on the list that has
>any ideas on Iceland in 2060?

This was discussed briefly on NERPS some time back, between myself and
Wordman mainly as I recall.

Iceland has it's own culture and is fiercely proud of it's own language;
it's very hard to see them joining the TPA.

The *only* thing I can possibly think of is that Iceland asked to join the
TPA for some reason or another. Perhaps hoping for enhanced political
and/or economic status. Perhaps for protective reasons (though who would
threaten Iceland is beyond me). Perhaps it just seemed like a good idea at
the time.

>On a different note does anyone know the status of Antarctica. The US has
>tried to keep Antarctica as an international territory. But with all the
>changes of millennium, there could be a land grab there. The US had the
>strongest position all across the continent but many countries have strong
>localize presence.

Nothing official to my knowledge. In *my* game it's strictly hands-off
though; I decided that Antarctica would become markedly more hostile than
it is now. Wicked weather, strange affects to the astral, vastly higher
mountains and satellite recon regularly goes fuzzy or blank while over
Antarctica. Basically in my game I was inspired by HP Lovecraft's novel,
"At the Mountains of Madness" and effected many of those types of changes.
No, I don't have the presence really of any other parts of the Cthulhu
Mythos, but it seemed cool for Antarctica.

Don't like that? Okay, you could make it a corporate research and
resources haven. Lots of goodies to be found there, lots of minerals and
lots of oil. Not to mention there may be newly discovered biologicals to
be found, ranging from ancient bones to frozen virii. This is probably
more realistic (and I use a little bit of it also) but still allows for all
sorts of weirdness that you may want.

Erik J.


http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
The Reality Check for a Fictional World
Message no. 6
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:12:55 EDT
In a message dated 10/5/98 10:54:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, erikj@****.COM
writes:

> Iceland has it's own culture and is fiercely proud of it's own language;
> it's very hard to see them joining the TPA.
>
> The *only* thing I can possibly think of is that Iceland asked to join the
> TPA for some reason or another. Perhaps hoping for enhanced political
> and/or economic status. Perhaps for protective reasons (though who would
> threaten Iceland is beyond me). Perhaps it just seemed like a good idea at
> the time
Or perhaps, the TPA has just been included in a political division of someone
else's devising. The TPA is the most disorganized, non-government of them all,
but remember they did push make the Russians (they have most of the north pole
above a certain line)
Perhaps (as you say) they saw some benefit to being called TPA land, and the
drawbacks just weren't there? The are probably still self-ruling.
Message no. 7
From: Michael Coleman <mscoleman@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:46:17 -0500
> Behalf Of Erik Jameson
>
> At 11:57 PM 10/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >I was reading NAN2 last night and noticed Iceland is part of Trans-Polar
> >Aleut Nation. Does anyone know how this was supposed to have happen? I
> >thought the people of Iceland were of European descent. And I can't
> >understand how a independent country became part of a Native
> American Nation
> >without having any Native Americans. Is there anyone on the
> list that has
> >any ideas on Iceland in 2060?
>
> This was discussed briefly on NERPS some time back, between myself and
> Wordman mainly as I recall.
>
> Iceland has it's own culture and is fiercely proud of it's own language;
> it's very hard to see them joining the TPA.
>
> The *only* thing I can possibly think of is that Iceland asked to join the
> TPA for some reason or another. Perhaps hoping for enhanced political
> and/or economic status. Perhaps for protective reasons (though who would
> threaten Iceland is beyond me). Perhaps it just seemed like a
> good idea at
> the time.
>

I was thinking of just ignoring NAN2 in respect to Iceland and keep it its
own country. Wasn't there something about a dragon or stealth fighter
coming out of Reykjavik and destroying something in one of the books.

> >On a different note does anyone know the status of Antarctica.
> The US has
> >tried to keep Antarctica as an international territory. But with all the
> >changes of millennium, there could be a land grab there. The US had the
> >strongest position all across the continent but many countries
> have strong
> >localize presence.
>
> Nothing official to my knowledge. In *my* game it's strictly hands-off
> though; I decided that Antarctica would become markedly more hostile than
> it is now. Wicked weather, strange affects to the astral, vastly higher
> mountains and satellite recon regularly goes fuzzy or blank while over
> Antarctica. Basically in my game I was inspired by HP Lovecraft's novel,
> "At the Mountains of Madness" and effected many of those types of changes.
> No, I don't have the presence really of any other parts of the Cthulhu
> Mythos, but it seemed cool for Antarctica.
>
> Don't like that? Okay, you could make it a corporate research and
> resources haven. Lots of goodies to be found there, lots of minerals and
> lots of oil. Not to mention there may be newly discovered biologicals to
> be found, ranging from ancient bones to frozen virii. This is probably
> more realistic (and I use a little bit of it also) but still
> allows for all
> sorts of weirdness that you may want.
>
> Erik J.

As for Antarctica, I can think of lots of cool things to stick there.
Dragons, Data Havens, lost underground civilizations, a race of giant cold
weather trolls the possibilities are endless.

Mike
Message no. 8
From: Apocrytha <apocrytha@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:53:02 -0500
Michael Coleman wrote:

> I was reading NAN2 last night and noticed Iceland is part of Trans-Polar
> Aleut Nation. Does anyone know how this was supposed to have happen? I
> thought the people of Iceland were of European descent. And I can't
> understand how a independent country became part of a Native American Nation
> without having any Native Americans. Is there anyone on the list that has
> any ideas on Iceland in 2060? Trans-Polar Aleut Nation also seemed to be a
> pretty weak nation. It might have been powerful when magic was new to the
> world but now most countries have some magic of their own. I wonder that
> Trans-Polar Aleut Nation has not been gobbled up by its neighbors.
> Especially by Tsimshian, which is ruthless to its own people.
>
> On a different note does anyone know the status of Antarctica. The US has
> tried to keep Antarctica as an international territory. But with all the
> changes of millennium, there could be a land grab there. The US had the
> strongest position all across the continent but many countries have strong
> localize presence.
>
> Mike

No fucking way Iceland could become a NAN country.

Iceland has one of the most homogenous (relativly 'pure') ethnic groups in the
world. Hell Iceland is more likly to become some sort of Viking State.
Icelandic is very close to Old Norse... There are very few Natives and I dont
even believe they are Native American. Hell, the country isnt even in North
America, its considered European.

--
"that is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may
die."
-H.P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu."
Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:25:41 +0200
According to Apocrytha, at 21:53 on 6 Oct 98, the word on the street was...

> There are very few Natives [in Iceland] and I dont even believe they
> are Native American.

That's a very weird sentence, you know? :)

> Hell, the country isnt even in North America, its considered European.

That would per definition rule out that there are native Americans in
Iceland, unless they moved there, in which case they're not _native_
Americans anymore...

BTW, please disable your Reply-To field.

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Message no. 10
From: Apocrytha <apocrytha@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:30:16 -0500
Philippe Garneau wrote:

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Michael Coleman <mscoleman@********.NET>
> À : SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
> Date : 5 octobre, 1998 00:55
> Objet : Iceland
>
> >I was reading NAN2 last night and noticed Iceland is part of Trans-Polar
> >Aleut Nation. Does anyone know how this was supposed to have happen? I
> >thought the people of Iceland were of European descent. And I can't
> >understand how a independent country became part of a Native American
> Nation
> >without having any Native Americans. Is there anyone on the list that has
> >any ideas on Iceland in 2060? Trans-Polar Aleut Nation also seemed to be a
> >pretty weak nation. It might have been powerful when magic was new to the
> >world but now most countries have some magic of their own. I wonder that
> >Trans-Polar Aleut Nation has not been gobbled up by its neighbors.
>
> There'S a pretty good reason for that. It's very very very very remote,
> the climate is harsh, and most neighboring nations are not equiped for a war
> of conquest.
>
> >Especially by Tsimshian, which is ruthless to its own people.
> >
>
> Check the map carefully, you'll find out that Tsimshan have no border with
> the Trans-Polar Aleut.
>
> >On a different note does anyone know the status of Antarctica. The US has
> >tried to keep Antarctica as an international territory. But with all the
> >changes of millennium, there could be a land grab there. The US had the
> >strongest position all across the continent but many countries have strong
> >localize presence.
> >
> >Mike
> >
>
> You might find some of megacorporate presence there, but as in the case of
> Trans-Polar Aleut, the climate and the remoteness of that continent makes
> ressources exploitation there very costly. Some research projects might
> find the isolation of Antartica an asset, though.
>
> Phil

Iceland, like Greenland (which is Danish) is under the Military Protection of
the US I believe.

--
"that is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may
die."
-H.P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu."
Message no. 11
From: Apocrytha <apocrytha@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:31:51 -0500
Fixer wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Philippe Garneau wrote:
>
> ->-----Message d'origine-----
> ->De : Michael Coleman <mscoleman@********.NET>
> ->À : SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
> ->Date : 5 octobre, 1998 00:55
> ->Objet : Iceland
> ->
> ->
> ->>I was reading NAN2 last night and noticed Iceland is part of Trans-Polar
> ->>Aleut Nation. Does anyone know how this was supposed to have happen? I
> ->>thought the people of Iceland were of European descent. And I can't
> ->>understand how a independent country became part of a Native American
> ->Nation
> ->>without having any Native Americans. Is there anyone on the list that has
> ->>any ideas on Iceland in 2060? Trans-Polar Aleut Nation also seemed to be a
> ->>pretty weak nation. It might have been powerful when magic was new to the
> ->>world but now most countries have some magic of their own. I wonder that
> ->>Trans-Polar Aleut Nation has not been gobbled up by its neighbors.
> ->
> ->
> ->There'S a pretty good reason for that. It's very very very very remote,
> ->the climate is harsh, and most neighboring nations are not equiped for a war
> ->of conquest.
>
> The climate isn't THAT harsh... it's actually a nicer place to
> live than my home town in Alaska... ]:-)
>
> ->>On a different note does anyone know the status of Antarctica. The US has
> ->>tried to keep Antarctica as an international territory. But with all the
> ->>changes of millennium, there could be a land grab there. The US had the
> ->>strongest position all across the continent but many countries have strong
> ->>localize presence.
> ->
> ->You might find some of megacorporate presence there, but as in the case of
> ->Trans-Polar Aleut, the climate and the remoteness of that continent makes
> ->ressources exploitation there very costly. Some research projects might
> ->find the isolation of Antartica an asset, though.
>
> I agree on the research projects, adding in a lack of a permanent
> matrix access (except, perhaps, by sattelite) and the climate, possibly
> cold-natured paranormals, hell, no one in their right mind would try to
> break into that complex, especially in the winter. Add in underground
> (there's ground down there under all that snow and ice) bases with
> geothermal heating & power, you have some pretty spiffy living spaces with
> ultra security & not a lot of travelling salesmen.
>
> Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
> the difficult I do all day long,
> the impossible only during the week,
> and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....
>
> Now tell me, what was your problem?

Icelands climate is very mild. Norse needed people to go to Greenland so they
called it Greenland but its really a frozen wasteland and Iceland because its
actually pretty warm. Sort of like a Canadian climate.

--
"that is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may
die."
-H.P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu."
Message no. 12
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:40:11 +1000
Methinks Philippe Garneau wrote this some time back:
>On a different note does anyone know the status of Antarctica. The US has
>tried to keep Antarctica as an international territory. But with all the
>changes of millennium, there could be a land grab there. The US had the
>strongest position all across the continent but many countries have strong
>localize presence.

*cough* Philippe, this has to be the single biggest piece of American
imperialistic bullshit I've seen in a LONG time... and I don't even know if
you're American!

The country with the single biggest presence in Antartica is... Australia!
And we're a lot bloody closer than the States. And the UN body in charge of
Antartica is based in Tasmania.

(If I got the attribution wrong, I apologise. Reword my remark above to suit
the person responsible)

--
Duct tape is like the Force: There's a Light side, a Dark side, and it
binds the Universe together.
Robert Watkins -- robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 13
From: Micheal Feeney <Starrngr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Iceland
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:33:09 EDT
In a message dated 98-10-07 19:43:25 EDT, you write:

<< The country with the single biggest presence in Antartica is... Australia!
And we're a lot bloody closer than the States. And the UN body in charge of
Antartica is based in Tasmania.

(If I got the attribution wrong, I apologise. Reword my remark above to suit
the person responsible) >>

Not to mention the fact that 90% of all access to Antarctica stages through
the land of Auz.

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