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Message no. 1
From: jacob hawkins <HAWKINSJ@********.WA.COM>
Subject: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 00:24:11 +0200
I got to thinking about shotguns today and thinking about some of the
different shotgun rounds.

Now, before I get deleted for reopening the subject of ammo, I want
to make it clear that what I'm looking for are actual bonuses that
characters can use for the ammo they're using. NOT an argument over
what ammo ia made of what.

My questions are along the lines of:
a) what bonuses do you get from using Magnum rnds?
b) shouldn't there be a difference between flechette and shot?
c) I've seen some weird shotgun rounds that do things like fire a
splitting slug with a wire in between that's sort of like a flying
garrote, any ideas on those?
d) and what about low velocity plastic rounds (for use on planes and
close quarters where you have to worry about ricochet)?

Ideas? Suggestions?

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Message no. 2
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 20:25:34 -0400
>My questions are along the lines of:
>a) what bonuses do you get from using Magnum rnds?

I got nuthin' on that...

>b) shouldn't there be a difference between flechette and shot?

yes there is but i think the srii rules covered it...not sure i'll look into it
later...i'll repost

>c) I've seen some weird shotgun rounds that do things like fire a
>splitting slug with a wire in between that's sort of like a flying
>garrote, any ideas on those?

A friend of mine had one of these little buggers..._very_nasty_ we fired it at
a small tree to see what it would do...cut the sucker in half and 'buzzed'
onward. tree was approx 6" or so...write up the rules i'd be interested...

>d) and what about low velocity plastic rounds (for use on planes and
>close quarters where you have to worry about ricochet)?

just use gel or stun rounds...they're basically low velocity riot
rounds..."techically" non-lethal }:-)

hehe

BTW anyone ever bother to try and figure out what a KANG Heavy pistol would be
like / do?

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Message no. 3
From: Can I play with madness <MKNABUSCH@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 00:00:44 -0500
How about the pepperbox guns of old? Has anyone ever tried to
put one of those into SR? If you don't know what a pepperbox
is, its basically four pistol barrels and one hammer. Obviously
it would have to be low caliber or low powder for recoil reasons.
Just curious.
Michael
aka Harlequin
Message no. 4
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 00:14:14 -0400
On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, Can I play with madness wrote:

> How about the pepperbox guns of old? Has anyone ever tried to
> put one of those into SR? If you don't know what a pepperbox
> is, its basically four pistol barrels and one hammer.

Yes I know I have one...It weighs a ton...

Obviously
> it would have to be low caliber or low powder for recoil reasons.
> Just curious.

Actually it is a .38 cal..At least that is the caliber of miniballs you
are suposed to use...as for recoil..Even with a heavy powder load there
is little recoil..the weight and the nature of black powder reduces the
recoil...However there is lots-o-smoke when you set off any blk pwdr
weapon..and it would be pretty easy for even the simplest sniffer sensor
to find....
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Message no. 5
From: Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 01:32:37 -0500
>A friend of mine had one of these little buggers..._very_nasty_ we fired it at
>a small tree to see what it would do...cut the sucker in half and 'buzzed'
>onward. tree was approx 6" or so...write up the rules i'd be
interested...

Would it be practical/possible to do the same thing with shot, connecting
them into a web with monowire or razorwire?

>BTW anyone ever bother to try and figure out what a KANG Heavy pistol would be
>like / do?

It doesn't sound like a derivitive of any pistol _I_ know of. I wouldn't
even know where to start guessing. Figuring out what language group KANG comes from would
be a linguistic nightmare, especially considering that we don't know
if KANG is a personal name, like Colt, or an acronym.
I guess a KANG's a BFG. Big Fraggin' Gun.

Matt
Message no. 6
From: Can I play with madness <MKNABUSCH@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 08:51:21 -0500
Hmmm. I didn't know that pepperbox's were black powder.
That really would make them a pain to get by sniffers.
If you modernized it (made one today that fires bullets
) what would the problems be.
Michael
aka Harlequin
Message no. 7
From: Jeff Norrell <norrell@*******.ME.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 08:24:16 CDT
We've looked into creating a round with razorwire net connecting shot... The
processing makes the ammo VERY expensive but you do get an exceptionally
good riot control weapon...
-Blade
Message no. 8
From: Bryan Prince <WALAB@******.HH.VANDERBILT.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 08:47:39 -0600
I thought these might help...

THESE RULES WERE DERIVED WHILE PLAYING WITH SR I RULES. TO USE THEM FOR
SR II YOU MUST MODIFY THEM YOURSELF.

1)Magnum rounds are basically firepower rounds. You could also use a
+2 PWR bonus. You cannot stack Magnum/Firepower rounds, but you can
stack Magnum/EX or APDS, however.

A Magnum round in a shotgun is a SLUG round. These will easily penetrate
the body of a car (in one side and out the other). It is basically 3, 1/2
in. steel balls with a lot of powder behind them.


2)I believe that SRII handles flechette, but I don't have the book here
with me. We handled flechette this way: Damage was vs. IMPACT armor, not
ballistic @ the shotgun's regular damage code.

BEFORE the flames start-- Kevlar and other body armors are designed to
stop bullets by dispersing the kinetic energy of a bullet over a large
surface area-- this is why they work vs. regular rounds, but not against
Teflon or AP. Flechettes are 100's of little NEEDLES (sharp pointy things)
which penetrate the weave of the fabric, and retain most of their kinetic
energy.


3)Garrotte (sp?) rounds are probably +1 Staging/+2 modifier
(i.e. 4M2 becomes 4S4) and affect a body area. (see hit location chart
posted last week)

These are 2 rounds that I use also:

THUNDERFLASH: a flash/bang round for shotguns.
travels about 30-40ft. before detonation.
Basically a HUGE flash and BOOM--stun of concussion dmg.
(save as per grenade of same type with a -2 PWR modifier)

STARFLASH: a flash caused by a WP/Magnesium flare burst.
Throws lots of hot sparks in a 4m radius. Will ignite
combustible materials.


I hope this helps answer your question. These rules have worked very well
in my games (player and GM since 1990).

:) Bryan Prince
Message no. 9
From: Bryan Prince <WALAB@******.HH.VANDERBILT.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 08:53:29 -0600
David Graff asks about KANG heavy pistols:

I think that from the descriptions of the gun when Stryper uses it, that the
Kang is a .50 cal heavy pistol. In our games we use a damage code of 10D for this pistol
with ranges about 1/2 that of a sniper rifle. I don't have my notes
with me or I would post them.

No flames please, just constructive critiques.

Bryan Prince
Message no. 10
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 10:03:39 -0400
On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, Can I play with madness wrote:

> Hmmm. I didn't know that pepperbox's were black powder.
> That really would make them a pain to get by sniffers.
> If you modernized it (made one today that fires bullets
> ) what would the problems be.

Well..You would have to retool the entire weapon...including bore out the
barrels so they will accept a standard modern bullet..replace
the striking mechanism that strikes the side of the cylinder basically
the top of the pistol..and make it strike the end with an actual firing
pin to set off the rnd instead of the hammer that the weapon comes
with...basically throw away the whole thing and start from scratch...
Hell as it is the thing makes a pretty good club weighing in at around 2
or more Lbs of steel....
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Message no. 11
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 10:15:19 -0400
> Would it be practical/possible to do the same thing with shot, connecting
>them into a web with monowire or razorwire?

why would you want to...the chance that you would get a spread would be
real slim at best...you would more than likely end up with a large wad of steel
tied together with monowire kicking along :-}


> It doesn't sound like a derivitive of any pistol _I_ know of. I wouldn't
>even know where to start guessing. Figuring out what language group KANG
>comes from would be a linguistic nightmare, especially considering that we
>don't know if KANG is a personal name, like Colt, or an acronym.
> I guess a KANG's a BFG. Big Fraggin' Gun.
>
>Matt

KANG from stryper assasin and one or two other little interspersed stories
including into the shadows :)

it's an HP that she used :)
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Message no. 12
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 00:49:13 +0930
>
> > Would it be practical/possible to do the same thing with shot, connecting
> >them into a web with monowire or razorwire?
>
> why would you want to...the chance that you would get a spread would be
> real slim at best..you would more than likely end up with a large wad of steel
> tied together with monowire kicking along :-}
>
>
What if you made a net(for a netgun) out of monowire? Of course, you'd want to
be real careful loading the thing.

Then again, maybe it'll just rip itself to shreds upon being fired. (I have
never seen a netgun, couldn't say for sure).

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Message no. 13
From: Lars M Ericson <lericson@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 11:34:21 CDT
>David Graff asks about KANG heavy pistols:
>
>I think that from the descriptions of the gun when Stryper uses it,
>that the Kang is a .50 cal heavy pistol. In our games we use a

>damage code of 10D for this pistol with ranges about 1/2 that of a

>sniper rifle. I don't have my notes with me or I would post them.
>
>No flames please, just constructive critiques.
>
>Bryan Prince

In one of the descriptions of the Ruger Super Warhawk, it is stated
as using 12mm rounds which are very close to .50 caliber. .50 caliber
is 12.5mm rounds so any .50 caliber handgun should have a similar
damage code, maybe 11M, but definitly not 10D. Don't forget a .50
caliber pistol is VERY different from a .50 caliber machine gun
round. The machine gun round is going to significantly large due to
the fact that rifles use a 3:1 length/width ratio and pistols use a
2:1 length/width ratio.



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Message no. 14
From: jacob hawkins <HAWKINSJ@********.WA.COM>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 19:24:25 +0200
Actually, here's another thought...

Anyone read William Gibson's Mona Lisa Overdrive?

Death Razorbabe Molly Millions a.k.a. Sally Shears carries what would
basically be a Viper Slivergun, except her flechettes are explosive.

If they hit a hard target like armor. If a person's not wearing
armor, the flechettes go in, wait ten seconds and then blow up, as
Molly says "to give them time to think about it."

Nifty gun, but Mona Lisa Overdrive takes place somewhere between 30-
50 years after Neuromancer.(Does anyone have a timeline on Gibson's
books and stories?)

Any thoughts/ideas on the gun? Would anyone actually let their
players have them? If so, what limitations would you put on them?
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Message no. 15
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 13:25:35 -0400
>What if you made a net(for a netgun) out of monowire? Of course, you'd want to
>be real careful loading the thing.
>
>Then again, maybe it'll just rip itself to shreds upon being fired. (I have
>never seen a netgun, couldn't say for sure).

have you seen the running man? there was a net gun in the air port scene.

its basically a _very_ larg stubby looking shot gun with four foot ball
shaped weights at the 'corners' of the barrel. when fired those go out at an
angle to spread the net while travelling forward. maybe it will work i
dunno..looks to be basically a large mincer...

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Message no. 16
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 14:09:01 -0400
>In one of the descriptions of the Ruger Super Warhawk, it is stated
>as using 12mm rounds which are very close to .50 caliber. .50 caliber
>is 12.5mm rounds so any .50 caliber handgun should have a similar
>damage code, maybe 11M, but definitly not 10D. Don't forget a .50
>caliber pistol is VERY different from a .50 caliber machine gun
>round. The machine gun round is going to significantly large due to
>the fact that rifles use a 3:1 length/width ratio and pistols use a
>2:1 length/width ratio.

ok i think last semester i put in a plug as to what size ammo is used by heavy
pistols...we came up with ammos in the realm of about .44 mag or so by most
heavy pistols, let's not blow this into an ammo discussion, now sticking to the
topic at hand i would say that the KANG is basically a foreign made ares
predator..comments?

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Message no. 17
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 15:19:09 -0400
>Nifty gun, but Mona Lisa Overdrive takes place somewhere between 30-
>50 years after Neuromancer.(Does anyone have a timeline on Gibson's
>books and stories?)

actually i figured it that there was ~7 years between each book
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Message no. 18
From: Matthew McCormick <mcormick@*****.COLOSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 15:23:50 -0700
>= Robert Watkins

> What if you made a net(for a netgun) out of monowire? Of course, you'd want to
> be real careful loading the thing.


My friend and I did a conversion of weapons from CP2020 which
included a netgun. one of the rounds that we made for it was a monowire
pack. The weapon basically had four weighted balls that were attached to
small barrels each pointing a slightly different direction forward. The
effect was that when the gun was fired, the balls were all propelled out
so that the net would spread out and be effective. The particular
monowire net that we devised was particularly deadly. If you want to see
a picture of it, you can check out SWOGUNS. I think it is on teetot but
check that out with Legion here on the list, He'll be able to tell you
where he put it.

Matt McCormick (mcormick@*****.colostate.edu)
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Message no. 19
From: Matthew McCormick <mcormick@*****.COLOSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 15:40:44 -0700
>
> We've looked into creating a round with razorwire net connecting shot... The
> processing makes the ammo VERY expensive but you do get an exceptionally
> good riot control weapon...
>
>
This discussion reminds me of an article in one of my roommates
Special Weapons magazines (vol9 #1 1992). In it there is an article on
combat shotgun rounds. One of the rounds was basically a couple of small
round slugs strung together by a small piece of wire. It was made by a
coumpany called Lock & Load. The article noted that the round penetrated
through 8, one inch thick plywood boards at ten feet. I'm sure you cuold
imagine what kind of damage that it could do if given the opportunity to
spread out. If this particular type of round was available in 1992, I'm
sure that it would be around by 2054 and even possibly be nastier.

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Message no. 20
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 17:15:11 -0500
Why is it that every two weeks, without fail, we get an intense
discussion about bullets, airplanes, or guns.

STOP IT!

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Message no. 21
From: J Gavigan <csc086@*****.LANCS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 03:20:25 +0100
> What if you made a net(for a netgun) out of monowire? Of course, you'd want to
> be real careful loading the thing.

What, like the one in Total Recall when Schwarz. gets captured
at the airport.


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Message no. 22
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 20:48:30 -0700
>Why is it that every two weeks, without fail, we get an intense
>discussion about bullets, airplanes, or guns.
>
>STOP IT!


actually Rob, THIS one looks like it might, (MIGHT) become productive


Daniel Waisley
Nightfox

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Message no. 23
From: Matthew McCormick <mcormick@*****.COLOSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 02:42:51 -0700
>= Robert Hayden

> Why is it that every two weeks, without fail, we get an intense
> discussion about bullets, airplanes, or guns.
>
> STOP IT!


Even though I add to it, in some ways I agree with you, but
remember that reading on the list is alot like listening to the radio,
IGNORE the stations that you don't like, or in this case, ignore the
subjects that you don't want to read. Thats why messages have subject
headers. I don't mean to be an ass here but there have been other subjects
on here that I have been sick of, but you haven't seen me complaining have
you. After all, this is a discussion list, and thats what we are doing.



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Message no. 24
From: Doc_X <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 12:09:04 -0400
On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Why is it that every two weeks, without fail, we get an intense
> discussion about bullets, airplanes, or guns.

What do you expect? This is Shadowrun! It's not about who can be in and
out with the least amount of difficulty. It's about who has the biggest
guns and who uses them the most! :-)

> STOP IT!

"Help! I'm being repressed!"

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Message no. 25
From: Laughing Boy <JLR@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...heh-heh
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 11:38:47 -0700
_The Running Man_. Another great movie adaptation of a Stephen King story.
While I liked the movie it had very few similarities with the short story. If
the ABC people screw up on _The Stand_ I am going to hurt someone.
-Laughing Boy, annoyed Stephen King fan

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Message no. 26
From: Gurth <jweste%smtp@******.HZEELAND.NL>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh - Reply
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 10:30:20 +0200
>Anyone read William Gibson's Mona Lisa Overdrive?

Yes.

>Death Razorbabe Molly Millions a.k.a. Sally Shears carries what would
>basically be a Viper Slivergun, except her flechettes are explosive.

In my view, it's more like a normal pistol firing needle rounds, in SR
terminology.

>If they hit a hard target like armor. If a person's not wearing
>armor, the flechettes go in, wait ten seconds and then blow up, as
>Molly says "to give them time to think about it."

>Nifty gun, but Mona Lisa Overdrive takes place somewhere between 30-
>50 years after Neuromancer.(Does anyone have a timeline on Gibson's
>books and stories?)

30 to 50 years?!?!?! That would make Molly at least 50 to 70 years old in
MLO! More like 15 years after Neuromancer, I think. Reasoning: somewhere
in Count Zero, it is mentioned that a cowboy (Case) hacked into that
orbital thing some 9 years ago (which was in NM), if I remember
correctly. Angie is 17 years old in CZ, but she's a big star in MLO, in
her mid-20s, I think.

>Any thoughts/ideas on the gun? Would anyone actually let their
>players have them? If so, what limitations would you put on them?

Well, you could simply make the gun a heavy pistol. And the ammo, well,
maybe combine needle rounds with explosive: they only penetrate up to 2
points of Impact armor, but have +1 Power Level. (or something in that
general direction anyway).

Remember that what Shadowrun calls needle ammo is called flechette in
real life. Shadowrun's flechette ammo is more like buckshot, but with
plastic slivers instead of metal balls.



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Message no. 27
From: "Brian Macleod (Macleod@**.Temple.EDU)" <MACLEOD@********.BITNET>
Subject: Re: I like shotguns...Heh.heh
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 13:09:34 EDT
Rob, it's fun, that's why!! Besides, many of us are in that "generation X"
label and have supposedly watched too much violence on TV (yes, I think it's
drek too...), so we need these little discussion groups to blow off these
tensions (and, also, to ask which type of ammo is best for blowing up your
professor's car after he fails y-- whoops, little carried away there, gotta
lay off the JOLT!!).
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