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Message no. 1
From: Donald Walli <dwalli@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:41:50 +0100
>Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 21:20:11 -0700
>From: Erik S Jameson <esj@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
>Subject: Re: Reality doesn't bite
>
Whistler writes:
>And so, elves, being living creatures that must obey the
>laws of biology and genetics, CANNOT be immortal because "Mother Nature"
>will no allow it; it would break the rules.

Ahh... perhaps not. Have you looked at any of the (fairly) recent literature
from biology (esp. marine biology) on sharks and sturgeon? It strongly
suggests that some of these fish could indeed be "immortal," because
it appears that they never stop growing and regenerating--unless they are
killed by some outside agency. Admittedly, they grow slowly by human
terms--but what's to say that elves don't? If these fish can be immortal
in our real (?!?!?) world, why can't elves be similar?

>Yes, SR is a fantasy game
>that exists only in the minds of the people who created it and play it,
>but if we are to have ANY valuable discussions on the game, we MUST
>assume that it is as grounded in reality as possible. Laws, even those
>of "Mother Nature" can be bent and stretched, but they CANNOT be broken.

Well, I think that makes it a *whole* lot easier for many of us to deal
with the game conceptually, but what's to say that we know both all the
laws of Nature and all the loopholes in those laws?

>In any case, thanks for letting me rant.

You're welcome. ;)

>Erik, a.k.a. the Whistler

Don Walli
dwalli@***.edu
Message no. 2
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 18:22:41 EST
Whistler, I don't know what your problem is, but I think you have been
listen to professors way to much. "Mother Nature", Gaia, Is a strange
and interesting being. You cannot know Her ways, nor will a mere
mortal ever understand what She does. The fish story is an example.
Some fish live virtually forever. And elves might also. The fact that
humans say that nothing can live forever is nothing more then
jelousy speaking. Maybe we could live forever, be immortal, but
because we have treated Gaia so poorly She will not allow us to that
privilage. And if you want to argue with this science drek, see my
earlier rant.



Many people run the shadows, praying that whatever gods they worship will smile upon them.
I waltz through shadows with my gods, and I lead!

-SHADOWDANCER-
Message no. 3
From: Star <KADAMS@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 18:32:32 EST
Will someone please put a leash on this boy!!!




A love that is never can always be obtained, a love that
is lost can never be regained. Think of the ones loved,
and smile.



-Star-
Message no. 4
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:58:18 +1000
Shadowdancer writes:

> Whistler, I don't know what your problem is, but I think you have been
> listen to professors way to much. "Mother Nature", Gaia, Is a strange
> and interesting being. You cannot know Her ways, nor will a mere
> mortal ever understand what She does. The fish story is an example.
> Some fish live virtually forever. And elves might also. The fact that
> humans say that nothing can live forever is nothing more then
> jelousy speaking. Maybe we could live forever, be immortal, but
> because we have treated Gaia so poorly She will not allow us to that
> privilage. And if you want to argue with this science drek, see my
> earlier rant.

Shadowdancer, I don't know what you problem is, but I think you have been
smoking pot a little too much.

:-) [This is not to be taken too seriously, but this makes you sound like a
tree hugging, drug using, hippy. Are you? :-)]

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong e-mail: u9467882@***.edu.au

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Message no. 5
From: Erik S Jameson <esj@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 11:42:47 -0700
Giai? Please...I only trust what I can know emperically. And as for
Giai, not to impugne on your beliefs, but I don't buy inot that New Age
type stuff.

Erik, a.k.a. the Whistler
Message no. 6
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:40:37 EST
>
> Giai? Please...I only trust what I can know emperically. And as for
> Giai, not to impugne on your beliefs, but I don't buy inot that New
Age
> type stuff.
>
> Erik, a.k.a. the Whistler
>

You don't buy into a lot of stuff:) It makes you interesting to argue
with.
Message no. 7
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:52:03 EST
I do not smoke pot. I do hug trees. I am a Witch. Remember the
discussion on real magick? :))



Many people run the shadows, praying that whatever gods they worship will smile upon them.
I waltz through shadows with my gods, and I lead!

-SHADOWDANCER-
Message no. 8
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:03:32 +1000
Shadowdancer writes:

> I do not smoke pot. I do hug trees. I am a Witch. Remember the
> discussion on real magick? :))

Ah, that's right; you're the one we were going to burn at the stake. (joke -
joke :-) :-)). Yeah, now I remember. Sorry for calling you a hippy.

You do hug trees though eh? :-)

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong e-mail: u9467882@***.edu.au

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Message no. 9
From: The Dragon <JMEYER@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:47:34 EST
I'd have to believe the witch part!

I'm got some *friends* coming in this weekend to do some RUNS.
These people play with munckins the likes of witch you have never
seen. Anybody got some GOOD *evil grin* ideas on how I wack these
guys. I've got some ideas, but was hoping to get some real classy
ending to these sad as they characters!
Message no. 10
From: Skrub <mccllstr@*****.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:57:18 -0400
>I'd have to believe the witch part!
>
>I'm got some *friends* coming in this weekend to do some RUNS.
>These people play with munckins the likes of witch you have never
>seen. Anybody got some GOOD *evil grin* ideas on how I wack these
>guys. I've got some ideas, but was hoping to get some real classy
>ending to these sad as they characters!
>

See that posting where a number of Force 21 free storm spirits possesed
troll sammies in heavy power armor w/ force 8 power foci.

Of course that is as far from classy as it gets.

Try cybered vampires.
Not too classy either.

Force a BTL addiction onto them! That is the way to go. Especially w/ FASA
drug rules. Munchkins tend to be rules lawyers so... Turn the tables. Make
em deal w/ an addiction.

-Skrub
Message no. 11
From: The Dragon <JMEYER@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:05:16 EST
Love it.
Message no. 12
From: Star <KADAMS@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:43:26 EST
>
> I'd have to believe the witch part!
>
> I'm got some *friends* coming in this weekend to do some RUNS.
> These people play with munckins the likes of witch you have never
> seen. Anybody got some GOOD *evil grin* ideas on how I wack
these
> guys. I've got some ideas, but was hoping to get some real classy
> ending to these sad as they characters!
>

Be careful who's toes you step on, dragon, please.




A love that is never can always be obtained, a love that
is lost can never be regained. Think of the ones loved,
and smile.



-Star-
Message no. 13
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 20:23:48 EST
> You do hug trees though eh? :-)
>
>
Yea, but not eucalyptous. Koalas are cute, but claws are not.:-)



Many people run the shadows, praying that whatever gods they worship will smile upon them.
I waltz through shadows with my gods, and I lead!

-SHADOWDANCER-
Message no. 14
From: Malcalypse The Younger <shadow@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 22:17:40 -0400
On Wed, 26 Oct 1994, Skrub wrote:

>
> See that posting where a number of Force 21 free storm spirits possesed
> troll sammies in heavy power armor w/ force 8 power foci.

Hey. They're humans, not trolls. but they are initiates. (I think)

>
> Of course that is as far from classy as it gets.
>

Agreed.

> Force a BTL addiction onto them! That is the way to go. Especially w/ FASA
> drug rules. Munchkins tend to be rules lawyers so... Turn the tables. Make
> em deal w/ an addiction.
>

Oh. I like that..
Message no. 15
From: Chris Lubrecht <lubrecht@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Immortality and Elves vs. Science and Laws of Nature
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 08:45:51 -0400
On Wed, 26 Oct 1994, The Dragon wrote:

> I'd have to believe the witch part!
>
> I'm got some *friends* coming in this weekend to do some RUNS.
> These people play with munckins the likes of witch you have never
> seen. Anybody got some GOOD *evil grin* ideas on how I wack these
> guys. I've got some ideas, but was hoping to get some real classy
> ending to these sad as they characters!
>
Wel...dragons are a start, also "big f***ing guns" :-)

Nigel

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