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Message no. 1
From: robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:56:32 +1000 (EST)
okay, as far as I know there are mantice, ant,
termite, beetle?,wasp. Now I'm not sure, but is there
a cocoroach or spider spirits, 'cause If there'sn't
there should be.

Could you also point me towards any referances
concerning creating your own bug spirits e.g.

cicada, moth, dragonfly, centipeed, antlion, bumble
bee (should be a absolute KILLER!) locust
(apocolyptic), that strange insect from "body
snatchers" that takes over the host body zombie's It,
anything that adds variety especially antlion spirits
in the middle of the desert ;)

Also why have they neglected to include the other sex
in some species of insect spirit, I think I noticed It
in termite or something, & I recall something really
stupid like the ony way to create or summon a termite
bug spirit was by having a queen ant spirit summon It.

GZ

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Message no. 2
From: christopherbeilby@***.net (Chris Beilby)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:45:27 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Ennew" <robertennew@*****.com.au>
To: "run" <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)


> okay, as far as I know there are mantice, ant,
> termite, beetle?,wasp. Now I'm not sure, but is there
> a cocoroach or spider spirits, 'cause If there'sn't
> there should be.

Mantis
Cockroach
Mosquito
Fly
Wasp
Beetle
Firefly
Ant
Termite
Cicada

And, although not actual Insect Spirits, Spider is a totem. (Spiders are
arachnids, not insects.)
Message no. 3
From: me@******.net (Hexren)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:32:18 +0200
RE> okay, as far as I know there are mantice, ant,
RE> termite, beetle?,wasp. Now I'm not sure, but is there
RE> a cocoroach or spider spirits, 'cause If there'sn't
RE> there should be.

RE> Could you also point me towards any referances
RE> concerning creating your own bug spirits e.g.

RE> cicada, moth, dragonfly, centipeed, antlion, bumble
RE> bee (should be a absolute KILLER!) locust
RE> (apocolyptic), that strange insect from "body
RE> snatchers" that takes over the host body zombie's It,
RE> anything that adds variety especially antlion spirits
RE> in the middle of the desert ;)

RE> Also why have they neglected to include the other sex
RE> in some species of insect spirit, I think I noticed It
RE> in termite or something, & I recall something really
RE> stupid like the ony way to create or summon a termite
RE> bug spirit was by having a queen ant spirit summon It.

RE> GZ

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For some info aboute Spider see the Triology "Geheimnisse der Macht" that are
the three books with
Samm Werner and Dodger.

The Insect Spirits are build after the Insects of the reral world so
if there is Insect Species which is totally dominated by the one sex,
so will be the Insect Spirits. I think it is that way with Mantis. And
almost all hives have queens. (as far as I remember)

Hexren
Message no. 4
From: cmd_jackryan@***.de (Phillip Gawlowski)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 09:43:50 +0200
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:32:18 +0200, Hexren <me@******.net> wrote:

> For some info aboute Spider see the Triology "Geheimnisse der Macht" that
> are the three books with
> Samm Werner and Dodger.

For those without German skills:

Robert N. Charette: "Secrets of Power"-Trilogy.
(IIRC)

--
Phillip Gawlowski
GameMaster and GeneralIdiot
Message no. 5
From: robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:45:07 +1000 (EST)
--- Chris Beilby <christopherbeilby@***.net> wrote:
>
> And, although not actual Insect Spirits, Spider is a
> totem. (Spiders are
> arachnids, not insects.)
>
>
>

True, point taken, what referance are spider shamans &
spirits in, MIS? Do you know of any cool insects or
uniquely cool insects (e.g. antlion waiting for
shadowrunners in desert of california bad lands) they
missed out on, could you give referances of where to
look up information?

GZ

I wonder what the name of that parasite from "body
snatchers" was called, the one some farmers use to
keep snails off their crop, as the bug takes over the
host body & eats It alive, the snails quasi dead,
animated only by the activity of the parasite feeding
from It.

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Message no. 6
From: robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:56:50 +1000 (EST)
--- Hexren <me@******.net> wrote:
>
> For some info aboute Spider see the Triology
> "Geheimnisse der Macht" that are the three books
> with
> Samm Werner and Dodger.
>

I'll try & borrow 'em off Damo, I think he should have
'em seeing as he has just about every shadowrun novel
in existence.

> The Insect Spirits are build after the Insects of
> the reral world so
> if there is Insect Species which is totally
> dominated by the one sex,
> so will be the Insect Spirits. I think it is that
> way with Mantis. And
> almost all hives have queens. (as far as I remember)
>
> Hexren
>

I'll do some research in the ones Ihave querys about,
thanks I don't feel as jaded now I understand why :)

GZ

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Message no. 7
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:07:14 +0200
According to Robert Ennew, on Wednesday 02 April 2003 05:56 the word on the
street was...

> okay, as far as I know there are mantice, ant,
> termite, beetle?,wasp. Now I'm not sure, but is there
> a cocoroach or spider spirits, 'cause If there'sn't
> there should be.

There are roach spirits, but not spider -- despite our esteemed one-time
listmember, Eve Forward's comment of "they're icky!" they're _still_ not
insects, and so there should not be spider insect spirits...

> Could you also point me towards any referances
> concerning creating your own bug spirits e.g.

"Use your own judgment" seems to be the best rule.

> cicada, moth, dragonfly, centipeed, antlion, bumble
> bee (should be a absolute KILLER!) locust
> (apocolyptic)

There already are cicada spirits, but none of the others (oh, and
centipedes are not insects, either).

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Message no. 8
From: eryk@*********.net (Adam)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:36:42 +0200
> For some info aboute Spider see the Triology "Geheimnisse der Macht" that
are the three books with
> Samm Werner and Dodger.

I don't think it was a insect spirit.
Seemed to be some sort of a horror, or just ugly and powerfull free spirit,
with some unique powers.

--Adam
Message no. 9
From: me@******.net (X3K6A2)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:50:11 +0200
>> For some info aboute Spider see the Triology "Geheimnisse der Macht"
that
> are the three books with
>> Samm Werner and Dodger.

> I don't think it was a insect spirit.
> Seemed to be some sort of a horror, or just ugly and powerfull free spirit,
> with some unique powers.

It is said in the books that spider is a totem.
btw: there is no difference between a very powerful free spirit and a
totem, so let us do some quest to the meta planes seeking the true
name of spider ;)
Message no. 10
From: me@******.net (Hexren)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:53:53 +0200
>> For some info aboute Spider see the Triology "Geheimnisse der Macht"
that
A> are the three books with
>> Samm Werner and Dodger.

A> I don't think it was a insect spirit.
A> Seemed to be some sort of a horror, or just ugly and powerfull free spirit,
A> with some unique powers.

A> --Adam

----------------------

I did not meant spider to be an insect spirit. My personal believe is
that spider is a totem which is said in the Triology I think. I see
spider more as a totem like the insect totems with completly an unimaginabe
agenda but unlike horrors who seem to dwell only the pain and
suffering they inflict.
Message no. 11
From: eryk@*********.net (Adam)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:05:14 +0200
> >> For some info aboute Spider see the Triology "Geheimnisse der
Macht"
that
> > are the three books with
> >> Samm Werner and Dodger.
>
> > I don't think it was a insect spirit.
> > Seemed to be some sort of a horror, or just ugly and powerfull free
spirit,
> > with some unique powers.
>
> It is said in the books that spider is a totem.
> btw: there is no difference between a very powerful free spirit and a
> totem, so let us do some quest to the meta planes seeking the true
> name of spider ;)
>

Hmmm, you may be right...
Which book was it?
Third?

-A.

P.S. Still, why do you think that totem is a very powerfull spirit?
Nothing I've read seem to confirm that.
There are more like gods.
Message no. 12
From: me@******.net (Hexren)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:22:54 +0200
>> >> For some info aboute Spider see the Triology "Geheimnisse der
Macht"
A> that
>> > are the three books with
>> >> Samm Werner and Dodger.
>>
>> > I don't think it was a insect spirit.
>> > Seemed to be some sort of a horror, or just ugly and powerfull free
A> spirit,
>> > with some unique powers.
>>
>> It is said in the books that spider is a totem.
>> btw: there is no difference between a very powerful free spirit and a
>> totem, so let us do some quest to the meta planes seeking the true
>> name of spider ;)
>>

A> Hmmm, you may be right...
A> Which book was it?
A> Third?

A> -A.

A> P.S. Still, why do you think that totem is a very powerfull spirit?
A> Nothing I've read seem to confirm that.
A> There are more like gods.

----------------------

I think it was the third. Where the great ghost dance ritual is
performed.
I would not think that Totems are gods for in my belief gods can not
be defeated, but that is just what happened there.
+ I have never heard of gods in any shadowrun puplication.
Message no. 13
From: eryk@*********.net (Adam)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:24:57 +0200
> >> It is said in the books that spider is a totem.
> >> btw: there is no difference between a very powerful free spirit and a
> >> totem, so let us do some quest to the meta planes seeking the true
> >> name of spider ;)
> >>
>
> A> Hmmm, you may be right...
> A> Which book was it?
> A> Third?
>
> A> -A.
>
> A> P.S. Still, why do you think that totem is a very powerfull spirit?
> A> Nothing I've read seem to confirm that.
> A> There are more like gods.
>
> ----------------------
>
> I think it was the third. Where the great ghost dance ritual is
> performed.
> I would not think that Totems are gods for in my belief gods can not
> be defeated, but that is just what happened there.
> + I have never heard of gods in any shadowrun puplication.
>

I don't mean God(s) but gods!
I agree that gods can neither be defeted nor challenged.
That's why I don't think that this spirit from Pow. Tril. was a totem.
Shamans are kinnda like priests. (they perform religius roles in native
nations)
The fact that this fight took place in its naitive metaplane, doesn't prove
anything (same happens, when you fight ordinary spirits ritually).

--Adam
Message no. 14
From: robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:58:50 +1000 (EST)
--- Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:

> There already are cicada spirits, but none of the
> others (oh, and
> centipedes are not insects, either).
>

Yes I agree I managed to stuff up again, thinking of
It as a bug & It would come under insect/bug spirit.
Using my own judgement do you think any non insect
title could use same rules as insect spirits, or
should I keep them as seperate classification like
spider with own totem, or use toxic critter/shaman
rules for It instead?

GZ

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Message no. 15
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Insect spirits powers (slightly OT)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:05:12 +0200
According to Robert Ennew, on Thursday 03 April 2003 09:58 the word on the
street was...

> Yes I agree I managed to stuff up again, thinking of
> It as a bug & It would come under insect/bug spirit.
> Using my own judgement do you think any non insect
> title could use same rules as insect spirits, or
> should I keep them as seperate classification like
> spider with own totem, or use toxic critter/shaman
> rules for It instead?

If you want to see it as similar to an insect spirit (or to widen the
definition of those), it'd be easiest to use the insect spirit rules, I'd
say.

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