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Message no. 1
From: Michael Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Into Africa I Go a Praying (note on racism)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:13:37 -0500
Nexx said:

and metahumans are going to
face discrimination in a lot of places (esp. the CAS).

I resent the implication that the South is anymore racist than the rest of the US.
It's very easy to stereotype the South and Southerners as racists, and to believe
that this racism will be applied to anyone who is not white, and (in Sr) human.
Racism is an imbedded part of the South, but it is not something that is encouraged
either. People are racist everywhere. For example, there was recently (about a
month ago) a riot in Memphis during a KKK rally. (It was the anti-KKK audience that
caused it. But that's not the point.) The KKK group that decided to come to Memphis
was from Gary, Indiana. Deep in Yankee territory.

Now, to get to the point of relating this to Sr. Racism based on color in the South
is there because it has been around for so long, and old habits (even awful ones like
racism) die hard. Racism vs. Metahumans is a relatively new hate. You won't find
that people are going to be more or less racist than any other part of the country.

Remember this when campaign's hit the glorious CAS.

Oh, if anyone wonders about my knowledge on this, I live currently in the South, and
started life out as a Yankee. I have seen racism in any number of places, from
numerous people, and all of it based on ignorance.

A final note. I'm not upset or anything, but I've seen this misconception a lot and
decided that some clarification on attitudes was in order. Someday, I'll have to
write that "The South in 2050" article I've been meaning to do.

Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
"I wish I was in the land of cotton
Old times there are not forgotten..."
Message no. 2
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Into Africa I Go a Praying (note on racism)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:35:20 -0500
----------
> From: Michael Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>

> > and metahumans are going to
> > face discrimination in a lot of places (esp. the CAS).
>
> I resent the implication that the South is anymore racist than the rest
of the US.
I'll make a deal with you. Once you have your ribs broken by Klansmen
because you tried to get them to stop beating on a black guy, then you can
get back to me on whether or not the South is racist. Also, you need to
have to sit through at least one sermon by a drunk guy with a gun on why
all the n****** deserve to die. I've lived across the country, and the
South has the highest level of racism I've ever encountered. Deal?

> Now, to get to the point of relating this to Sr. Racism based on color
in the South
> is there because it has been around for so long, and old habits (even
awful ones like
> racism) die hard. Racism vs. Metahumans is a relatively new hate. You
won't find
> that people are going to be more or less racist than any other part of
the country.
That's bullshit. The hatred of blacks isn't entirely rooted in skin
color. Its rooted in differentness. Do you think your wonderful friends
at the Antioch Baptist Church (make sure to wear your sheet on Sunday!)
are going to be nicer to an elf than a black guy? Take a look at your
NAGNA... they hated the one guy for taking an elven mistress just as much
as if he'd taken a black one.

> Oh, if anyone wonders about my knowledge on this, I live currently in
the South, and
> started life out as a Yankee. I have seen racism in any number of
places, from
> numerous people, and all of it based on ignorance.
As for my knowledge of this, I started out life as an Army Brat, and have
lived across the country. I've seen bigotry everywhere, but no one has
been willing to break my ribs about my stance on it before or since my
living in Louisiana.

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bardagh
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars, PML FAQ Cop
aka The Human Tangent
************
Three sparks that kindle love: a face, demeanour, speech
Three things that hide ugliness: good manners in the ill-favoured,
skill in a serf, wisdom in the misshapen.
Three things that ruin wisdom: ignorance, inaccurate knowledge,
forgetfullness. .
Three candles that illume every darkness: truth, nature, knowledge.
Three signs of a bad man: bitterness, hatred, cowardice.
Message no. 3
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Into Africa I Go a Praying (note on racism)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:51:36 -0600
I am well aware that I'm violating the posting policies. I'm doing
it on purpose to catch this as quick as possible.

<GridSec>

To Nexx and Michael Broadwater,

Please be aware that you are discussing a flamable topic (racism).
Please keep it civil and relate it to Shadowrun or take it to private
email.

Normally I'd sit back and give you the benefit of the doubt, but
things have been kinda tense lately. No offense is intended.

Thank You,
- David, your friendly neighborhood GridSec Enforcer :)

</GridSec>

Nexx wrote:
/
/ ----------
/ > From: Michael Broadwater <neon@******.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>
/
/ > > and metahumans are going to
/ > > face discrimination in a lot of places (esp. the CAS).
/
/ > I resent the implication that the South is anymore racist than the rest
/ > of the US.
/ I'll make a deal with you. Once you have your ribs broken by Klansmen
/ because you tried to get them to stop beating on a black guy, then you can
/ get back to me on whether or not the South is racist. Also, you need to
/ have to sit through at least one sermon by a drunk guy with a gun on why
/ all the n****** deserve to die. I've lived across the country, and the
/ South has the highest level of racism I've ever encountered. Deal?

[snip]
Message no. 4
From: Wyrmy The powerful <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Into Africa I Go a Praying (note on racism)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:22:10 -0500
<Snip Text about Racism>
As for my knowledge of this, I started out life as an Army Brat,
and have
> lived across the country. I've seen bigotry everywhere, but no one has
> been willing to break my ribs about my stance on it before or since my
> living in Louisiana.
Ok.Thats Loisiana.I doubt some-one in Dallas TX(my home city,and where I
still live) will break you ribs over your stance with any color. But
Call A black person a N****R, or a Honkey, or Something else like that,
and you will get Broken ribs from the person you insulted and all of his
friends gagnging up on you when you least expect it.Us Texans have long,
long memories.OK Compadre?
--
If you are a dreamer come in,
If you are a dreeamer, a wisher,
A liar, a magic jelly bean buyer,
Come In!
-What should be the motto of all internet users.
Message no. 5
From: Stephen Delear <c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Into Africa I Go a Praying (note on racism)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:44:11 -0500
>I resent the implication that the South is anymore racist than the rest of
the US.
>It's very easy to stereotype the South and Southerners as racists, and to
believe
>that this racism will be applied to anyone who is not white, and (in Sr)
human.
>Racism is an imbedded part of the South, but it is not something that is
encouraged
>either. People are racist everywhere. For example, there was recently
(about a
>month ago) a riot in Memphis during a KKK rally. (It was the anti-KKK
audience that
>caused it. But that's not the point.) The KKK group that decided to come
to Memphis
>was from Gary, Indiana. Deep in Yankee territory.

I'd say racism in the south depends on where you are. I hear it can get
pretty bad in Georgia but in the Hispanic majority area of Texas I came
from there was probably less racism then in say southern California.
Besides this post was originally discusing how religion relates to magic.
I can see magicians getting the "subtle snub" treatment if they're living
in an say predominatly Southern Baptist area. Then again I'm from Austin
which has a really large neo-pagan comunity so I really can't say much on
the religouse dynamics of the south (though I could rant about the midwest).

>Now, to get to the point of relating this to Sr. Racism based on color in
the South
>is there because it has been around for so long, and old habits (even
awful ones like
>racism) die hard. Racism vs. Metahumans is a relatively new hate. You
won't find
>that people are going to be more or less racist than any other part of the
country.
>
>Remember this when campaign's hit the glorious CAS.
>
Might want to take a look at the history section in the BBB especially the
part relating the Oklahoma.

SteveD
Stephen Delear
University of Missouri-Columbia
Check out my Photo Message Board at http://www.missouri.edu/~c715591
"Sometimes I do get to places just when God's ready to have somebody click
the shutter" Ansel Adams

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