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Message no. 1
From: fro@***.ab.ca (Richard Jury)
Subject: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 00:15:27 -0600
The short story anthology "Into the Shadows" was mentioned several
times this week, but I have never read it, and cannot find it anywhere.
Could some kind soul email with the ISBN number so I can order it?

And where the hell did TopCat go?! Did I miss something important on
my summer vacation, or did he just dissapear and not tell any of us?

Fro
Message no. 2
From: fro@***.ab.ca (Richard Jury)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 00:18:16 -0600
At 00:15 9/30/96 -0600, I wrote:
>times this week, but I have never read it, and cannot find it anywhere.
>Could some kind soul email with the ISBN number so I can order it?
>
> And where the hell did TopCat go?! Did I miss something important on
>my summer vacation, or did he just dissapear and not tell any of us?
>
>Fro

I did NOT NOT NOT start that sentence with a tab!!! NOT NOT!! Argh!

Anyways, I was asking for the ISBN number for 'Into the Shadows'
Thanks!

Fro
Message no. 3
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:23:51 +0100
Richard Jury said on 0:15/30 Sep 96...

> And where the hell did TopCat go?! Did I miss something important on
> my summer vacation, or did he just dissapear and not tell any of us?

Disappeared, I think (I didn't see any "goodbye cruel list" message of
him :) not long after his Manifesto didn't go down all that well with the
rest of us...

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Message no. 4
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:22:09 -0400 (EDT)
At 12:15 AM 9/30/96 -0600, you wrote:

> And where the hell did TopCat go?! Did I miss something important on
>my summer vacation, or did he just disappear and not tell any of us?

Shhh! Don't jinx us, Richard!

*knock on wood*

*throwing salt over my shoulder*

--
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Caxton translation,
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Message no. 5
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:35:17 -0600 (MDT)
Ubiquitous wrote:
|
|At 12:15 AM 9/30/96 -0600, you wrote:
|
|> And where the hell did TopCat go?! Did I miss something important on
|>my summer vacation, or did he just disappear and not tell any of us?
|
|Shhh! Don't jinx us, Richard!
|
|*knock on wood*
|
|*throwing salt over my shoulder*

Ow! Watch where you throw that stuff ;)

TopCat just stopped showing up. Maybe he had a school
account. Or, maybe he's taking time to write a 400 page
manifesto just for Sasquatch :)

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
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alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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Message no. 6
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:31:51 -0500 (EST)
>TopCat just stopped showing up. Maybe he had a school
>account. Or, maybe he's taking time to write a 400 page
>manifesto just for Sasquatch :)

OK, I'm new here and this isn't the first I've heard of the mysterious
TOPCAT manifesto.
What exactly was the deal?
As near as I can puzzle it out, this guy posted something that seriously
disturbed a lot of people, and he was flamed out of existance?
Any of you old timers want to enlighten us?



FAMOUS LAST WORDS
"Stop handing me things that come apart!"
Message no. 7
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:46:12 -0600 (MDT)
Steven A. Tinner wrote:
|
|>TopCat just stopped showing up. Maybe he had a school
|>account. Or, maybe he's taking time to write a 400 page
|>manifesto just for Sasquatch :)
|
|OK, I'm new here and this isn't the first I've heard of the mysterious
|TOPCAT manifesto.
|What exactly was the deal?
|As near as I can puzzle it out, this guy posted something that seriously
|disturbed a lot of people, and he was flamed out of existance?
|Any of you old timers want to enlighten us?

TopCat was fairly decent at debating and storytelling and
gave me quite a few good ideas. However, at one point he
posted a fairly lengthy discourse on his views on
roleplaying and shadowrun. He meant it as an informational
"get to know me" kind of thing. But, it blew up, as some
people didn't like his views and felt it was a pretty
egotistical action, and others weren't to thrilled at
having several pages of email crammed in their accounts.
BTW, I thought his manifesto was kinda interesting.

The moral? (IMHO) Don't force your opinions on others
unsolicited. And, keep it short.


-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm~~~~
Message no. 8
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:59:22 -0500 (EST)
>TopCat was fairly decent at debating and storytelling and
>gave me quite a few good ideas. However, at one point he
>posted a fairly lengthy discourse on his views on
>roleplaying and shadowrun. He meant it as an informational
>"get to know me" kind of thing. But, it blew up, as some
>people didn't like his views and felt it was a pretty
>egotistical action, and others weren't to thrilled at
>having several pages of email crammed in their accounts.
>BTW, I thought his manifesto was kinda interesting.
>
>The moral? (IMHO) Don't force your opinions on others
>unsolicited. And, keep it short.

Sounds like Good advice in general!
Any idea where I could find a copy of this manifesto?
I'd be interested in seeing it?
If anyone has one, go ahead and send via private email - since posting it
seems like a Bad plan. :-)



FAMOUS LAST WORDS
"Stop handing me things that come apart!"
Message no. 9
From: "Spike" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 18:37:29 +0100 (BST)
|TopCat was fairly decent at debating and storytelling and
|gave me quite a few good ideas. However, at one point he
|posted a fairly lengthy discourse on his views on
|roleplaying and shadowrun. He meant it as an informational
|"get to know me" kind of thing. But, it blew up, as some
|people didn't like his views and felt it was a pretty
|egotistical action, and others weren't to thrilled at
|having several pages of email crammed in their accounts.
|BTW, I thought his manifesto was kinda interesting.
|
|The moral? (IMHO) Don't force your opinions on others
|unsolicited. And, keep it short.

But that was months ago. (Before I left in fact).
Everything seemed to have calmed down again by then.....

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Message no. 10
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:49:40 -0600 (MDT)
Spike wrote:
|
||TopCat was fairly decent at debating and storytelling and
||gave me quite a few good ideas. However, at one point he
||posted a fairly lengthy discourse on his views on
||roleplaying and shadowrun. He meant it as an informational
||"get to know me" kind of thing. But, it blew up, as some
||people didn't like his views and felt it was a pretty
||egotistical action, and others weren't to thrilled at
||having several pages of email crammed in their accounts.
||BTW, I thought his manifesto was kinda interesting.
||
||The moral? (IMHO) Don't force your opinions on others
||unsolicited. And, keep it short.
|
|But that was months ago. (Before I left in fact).
|Everything seemed to have calmed down again by then.....

Yeah... He was contributing for at least a month after the
manifesto thing settled. Maybe Sasquatch *did* get him ;)

Boy, he sure did make an impression. Almost as noticable
as Bull :)

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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Message no. 11
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:03:05 -0500 (EST)
>|But that was months ago. (Before I left in fact).
>|Everything seemed to have calmed down again by then.....
>
>Yeah... He was contributing for at least a month after the
>manifesto thing settled. Maybe Sasquatch *did* get him ;)
>
>Boy, he sure did make an impression. Almost as noticable
>as Bull :)
>
>
Gee, thanks... I think...:)



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-Ripley, "Aliens"
Message no. 12
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:12:22 -0400 (EDT)
At 12:31 PM 9/30/96 -0500, you wrote:

>OK, I'm new here and this isn't the first I've heard of the mysterious
>TOPCAT manifesto.
>What exactly was the deal?
>As near as I can puzzle it out, this guy posted something that seriously
>disturbed a lot of people, and he was flamed out of existence?
>Any of you old timers want to enlighten us?

Oh, just someone who fancied himself a "master roleplayer" and posted a huge
treatise on how to role play, how Shadowrun should be run, etc.

--
"I dyde shyte thre grete toordes." Fables of Aesop,
Caxton translation,
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Message no. 13
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:14:26 -0400 (EDT)
At 11:49 AM 9/30/96 -0600, David wrote:

>Boy, he sure did make an impression. Almost as noticeable
>as Bull :)

Who? *grin*

--
"I dyde shyte thre grete toordes." Fables of Aesop,
Caxton translation,
V15 1484
Message no. 14
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:55:35 -0500 (EST)
>At 11:49 AM 9/30/96 -0600, David wrote:
>
>>Boy, he sure did make an impression. Almost as noticeable
>>as Bull :)
>
>Who? *grin*
>
I was wondering the same thing...?

Oh yeah, that's me...:)



############################################
# -Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich #
# chaos@*****.com
#
# Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours? #
############################################

"I say we go back to the ship, and nuke the
site from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
-Ripley, "Aliens"
Message no. 15
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 00:58:01 -0700
Richard Jury wrote:
>
> times this week, but I have never read it, and cannot find it anywhere.
> Could some kind soul email with the ISBN number so I can order it?
>
> And where the hell did TopCat go?! Did I miss something important on
> my summer vacation, or did he just dissapear and not tell any of us?
>
> Fro

Just curious, but is there a reason people like this keep dropping the
first line of their posts?


@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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http://www.netzone.com/~loki/
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Message no. 16
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:39:42 +0000
On 30 Sep 96 at 10:22, Ubiquitous wrote:
> > And where the hell did TopCat go?! Did I miss something important on
> >my summer vacation, or did he just disappear and not tell any of us?
>
> Shhh! Don't jinx us, Richard!
> *knock on wood*
> *throwing salt over my shoulder*

Manifesto! Manifesto!

Sascha
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Message no. 17
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:47:05 +0100
Steven A. Tinner said on 12:31/30 Sep 96...

> OK, I'm new here and this isn't the first I've heard of the mysterious
> TOPCAT manifesto.
> What exactly was the deal?
> As near as I can puzzle it out, this guy posted something that seriously
> disturbed a lot of people, and he was flamed out of existance?

TopCat, AKA Bob Ooton, was an okay guy. He had strong views on several
subjects, not the least magically-active folks vs. street sams as I
recall, and on Sun, 19 May 1996 01:14:53 -0500 he wrote a text called:

The TopCat Manifesto
or "What I like to rant about and why"

The intention behind this was "that everyone who seeks my opinion on a
subject can get it easily."

I saved his post, but unfortunately a HD crash some three months later
has left me with a beginning and an end, and missing a part of the middle.
He didn't so much get flamed for this, as he got told other peoples'
views (both about the points he'd made and about getting such a large post
devoid of any really useful info without asking for it). I haven't seen
him around since this summer, so my guess is he got tired of the list and
ubsubbed.

> Any of you old timers want to enlighten us?

*feels this refers to him* Watch who you're calling old-timers! Just
because some of us have been on this list for years doesn't mean we're
old-timers!

Erm, wait a sec... I don't think there are all that many people around
who were there when I first joined the list, are there? Sure, Granite's
back, but what about the others? *stops before this goes too far* :)

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If I had it my way I'd hear you say that it's okay.
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Message no. 18
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:39:42 +0000
i guess i missed something too.....

and boy do i not like this style of mailer response thingy.... i like the
>
>
style so much I actually do it manually......usually


<<<<<<<ahh>>>>>>>
"A philosopher of imposing stature doesn't think in a vacuum. Even his most
abstract ideas are, to some extent, conditioned by what is or is not known in t
he time when he lives."
--Alfred North Whitehead(from my programming book...)

-------------------------Original Message---------------------------
On 30 Sep 96 at 10:22, Ubiquitous wrote:
> > And where the hell did TopCat go?! Did I miss something important on
> >my summer vacation, or did he just disappear and not tell any of us?
>
> Shhh! Don't jinx us, Richard!
> *knock on wood*
> *throwing salt over my shoulder*

Manifesto! Manifesto!

Sascha
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| / / _______ | Jhary-a-Conel aka Sascha Pabst |Things that try to look |
| / /_/ ____/ |Sascha.Pabst@ | like things often do |
| \___ __/ | Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.de | look more like things |
|==== \_/ ======|*Wearing hats is just a way of life*| than things. Well known|
|LOGOUT FASCISM!| - Me | fact. - E.Weatherwax |
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Message no. 19
From: Jonathan Hurley <jhurley1@******.stevens-tech.edu>
Subject: RE: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:48:00 -0400
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Gurth[SMTP:gurth@******.nl] wrote:
>Erm, wait a sec... I don't think there are all that many people around
>who were there when I first joined the list, are there? Sure, Granite's
>back, but what about the others? *stops before this goes too far* :)

Hey! Just because I've been on and off this list more times than I can count!



:)

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Message no. 20
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:40:35 -0600 (MDT)
Jonathan Hurley wrote:
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[snip]

Your mailer is attaching a file, or something.

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm~~~~
Message no. 21
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:12:01 -0400 (EDT)
At 12:58 AM 10/1/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Richard Jury wrote:

>> times this week, but I have never read it, and cannot find it anywhere.
>> Could some kind soul email with the ISBN number so I can order it?
>
>Just curious, but is there a reason people like this keep dropping the
>first line of their posts?

If the first line starts with an indent/tab, it gets deleted.

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Caxton translation,
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Message no. 22
From: Edward Paul <doyle@******.edu>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 07:08:34 -1000
Was someone looking for the ISBN # of _Into the Shadows_? Well the
original, Sam Verner story one that I bought in England is not the
standard novel size, but its number is:
1-55560-118-9


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Message no. 23
From: fro@***.ab.ca (Richard Jury)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:06:04 -0600
At 00:58 10/1/96 -0700, Loki wrote:
>Just curious, but is there a reason people like this keep dropping the
>first line of their posts?
>
>
> @>-,--'--- Loki

Something to do with Eudora and Majordomo fighting if someone starts an
email with a Tab, which i unfortunately do quite often..Sorry folks

Fro
Message no. 24
From: Jonathan Hurley <jhurley1@******.stevens-tech.edu>
Subject: RE: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:54:39 -0400
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David Buehrer[SMTP:dbuehrer@****.org] wrote:
>Jonathan Hurley wrote:
>|
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Not according to pine on my account.

IS anyone else seeing this problem?

If so, let me know so I can fix it

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Message no. 25
From: "Sedah Drol" <sedahdro@****.holli.com>
Subject: RE: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:35:27 +500
> Not according to pine on my account.
>
> IS anyone else seeing this problem?

Yes, P-mail considers it an unknown attachment.

> If so, let me know so I can fix it


---------
ATTN: Due to lack of Interest, tommorow has been cancelled.
---------
GC3.1
GO>CS d- s:--- a21 c++++>$ u+ P L+ E? W+>W+++ N o? k?
w+>w++++ O--- M-- V PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t++ 5+ x++ R++>+++$
b- DI++ D+ G++ e* h r++ y++
Message no. 26
From: Faux Pas <fauxpas@******.net>
Subject: RE: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:44:39 -0500
At 04:54 PM 10/1/96 -0400, you wrote:
>David Buehrer[SMTP:dbuehrer@****.org] wrote:
>>Jonathan Hurley wrote:
>>|
>>|------ =_NextPart_000_01BBAF86.04E1B580
>>|Content-Type: application/ms-tnef
>>|Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>>|
>>|eJ8+IgIOAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy
>>|b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYASAEAAAEAAAAMAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL
>Not according to pine on my account.
>
>IS anyone else seeing this problem?
>
>If so, let me know so I can fix it
>
>Attachment Converted: C:\PROGRA~1\CYBERCOM\EUDORA\REIntot1
>
As you can see, Eudora creates a file and dumps it into my Eudora directory.
Please ask your sysop on how to stop this. Thanks.

-Thomas Deeny
the Cartoonist at large is on the web at www2.cy-net.net/~fauxpas

"Cat on my head! Cat on my head!"
-Dr. Chris Cooper, _Kids in the Hall: Brain Candy_
Message no. 27
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: RE: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:48:39 -0500 (EST)
>> Not according to pine on my account.
>>
>> IS anyone else seeing this problem?
>
>Yes, P-mail considers it an unknown attachment.
>
> > If so, let me know so I can fix it
>
I keep getting attched files as well... Sorry...:)



****************************************************************************
*******
-Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich
chaos@*****.com
Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?
****************************************************************************
*******

"I say we go back to the ship, and nuke the
site from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
-Ripley, "Aliens"
Message no. 28
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: RE: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:33:01 -0500 (EST)
>>|eJ8+IgIOAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy
>>|b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYASAEAAAEAAAAMAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL
>Not according to pine on my account.
>
>IS anyone else seeing this problem?
>
>If so, let me know so I can fix it
>
>Attachment Converted: C:\TRUMPET\EMAILD~1\REINTOTH

Yes, I get the same string of garbage every time.
Please fix it. :-)



FAMOUS LAST WORDS
"C'mon, let's give 'em two more turns to live."
Message no. 29
From: Dvixen Vidi Vici <dvixen@****.spydernet.com>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:18:55 -0700 (PDT)
On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, Gurth wrote:

> Richard Jury said on 0:15/30 Sep 96...
>
> > And where the hell did TopCat go?! Did I miss something important on
> > my summer vacation, or did he just dissapear and not tell any of us?
>
> Disappeared, I think (I didn't see any "goodbye cruel list" message of
> him :) not long after his Manifesto didn't go down all that well with the
> rest of us...

There was a 'purge' about four, five (?) months back.
I'd asked Topcat if the volume had gone *way* down, and he told me that
the list had purged everyone, and that he wasn't re-subbing.
He didn't seem to pleased with the list, in general. (I can't even
remember reading the Manifesto, but I can barely remember how to get to
work, which is a five minute walk from here...)


--
AJ Schaafsma Dvixen@****.spydernet.com
This post in no way reflect the opinions of the myriad voices in my head.
Message no. 30
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: RE: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:59:25 +0100
Jonathan Hurley said on 16:54/ 1 Oct 96...

> Not according to pine on my account.
>
> IS anyone else seeing this problem?
>
> If so, let me know so I can fix it

I'm getting two-part messages -- one is the actual message, the other is
called "binary data, file unknown, type unknown" by my mailer.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Unk... Unkn... There's no name on it!
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version 3.1:
GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+ PE
Y PGP- t(+) 5+ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Message no. 31
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:59:25 +0100
Dvixen Vidi Vici said on 22:18/ 1 Oct 96...

> There was a 'purge' about four, five (?) months back.

Was that at the time when Mark's office looked like it was located in
Beirut?

> I'd asked Topcat if the volume had gone *way* down, and he told me that
> the list had purged everyone, and that he wasn't re-subbing.
> He didn't seem to pleased with the list, in general.

So that's what happened to him. Thanks for letting us in on this secret :)

> (I can't even remember reading the Manifesto, but I can barely remember
> how to get to work, which is a five minute walk from here...)

I could post what I have of it, if anyone's interested *hides under
stairs*
*finds David there as well*
*shouts "Hey, get out, FAST!"*

:)

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Unk... Unkn... There's no name on it!
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version 3.1:
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------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Message no. 32
From: "Spike" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:21:28 +0100 (BST)
|
|
|------ =_NextPart_000_01BBAFB9.3CF7BD60
|Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
|Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
|
|David Buehrer[SMTP:dbuehrer@****.org] wrote:
|>Jonathan Hurley wrote:
|>|
|>|------ =_NextPart_000_01BBAF86.04E1B580
|>|Content-Type: application/ms-tnef
|>|Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
|>|
|>|eJ8+IgIOAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy
|>|b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYASAEAAAEAAAAMAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL
|Not according to pine on my account.
|
|IS anyone else seeing this problem?
|
|If so, let me know so I can fix it

Yep... There's definately a MIME attachment.
(And using elm, ,that is REALLY irritating....)

Also, Caric is also sending his stuff as MIME.
(Please... send plain text.)

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|b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYASAEAAAEAAAAMAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL

Rest of the binary snipped....
--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk | |
|Andrew Halliwell | "ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!!" |
|Principal subjects in:-| "THAT WOULD BE AN ECCLESIASTICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!!|
|Comp Sci & Electronics | - Father Jack in "Father Ted"
|
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Message no. 33
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:57:40 +0000
On 1 Oct 96 at 12:47, Gurth wrote:
[snip]
> The TopCat Manifesto
> or "What I like to rant about and why"
>
> The intention behind this was "that everyone who seeks my opinion on a
> subject can get it easily."
>
> I saved his post, but unfortunately a HD crash some three months later
*very big and dirrty grin*


Sascha
--
+---___---------+----------------------------------------+--------------------+
| / / _______ | Jhary-a-Conel aka Sascha Pabst | "If we had to buy |
| / /_/ ____/ |Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.de|you, you wouldn't be|
| \___ __/ | | worth the price." |
|==== \_/ ======| *Wearing hats is just a way of life* | - E. Weatherwax |
|LOGOUT FASCISM!| - Me | (T. Pratchett)|
+------------- http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~jhary -----------------+
Message no. 34
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 06:59:30 -0600 (MDT)
Gurth wrote:
|
|Dvixen Vidi Vici said on 22:18/ 1 Oct 96...
|
|> (I can't even remember reading the Manifesto, but I can barely remember
|> how to get to work, which is a five minute walk from here...)
|
|I could post what I have of it, if anyone's interested *hides under
|stairs*
|*finds David there as well*
|*shouts "Hey, get out, FAST!"*
|
|:)

<Finds a *much* safer place to hide before Gurth posts TC's manifesto and
invites the wrath of the Horrors upon himself>

:)

You know, posting the Manifesto again might start a pretty good debate on
roleplaying... Then again...

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm~~~~
Message no. 35
From: Jonathan Hurley <jhurley1@******.stevens-tech.edu>
Subject: RE: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:26:27 -0400
Spike[SMTP:u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk] wrote:
>|
>|
>|------ =_NextPart_000_01BBAFB9.3CF7BD60
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>|Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>|
>|David Buehrer[SMTP:dbuehrer@****.org] wrote:
>|>Jonathan Hurley wrote:
>|>|
>|>|------ =_NextPart_000_01BBAF86.04E1B580
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>|Not according to pine on my account.
>|
>|IS anyone else seeing this problem?
>|
>|If so, let me know so I can fix it
>
>Yep... There's definately a MIME attachment.
>(And using elm, ,that is REALLY irritating....)
>
THANK YOU!!!!!!

I found out why it was doing that.

I had accidentally left "Use MIME when sending messages" checked in my internet
mail settings. I thought I had turned that off, but 5 installs in 2 weeks will get you a
little confused!

I apologize for the inconvience.

(Will be embarrassed if not solution, but I think it is.)

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Message no. 36
From: mike.paff@*****.com
Subject: RE: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:33:41 -0700
> From: Jonathan Hurley <jhurley1@******.stevens-tech.edu>
>
> I found out why it was doing that.
>
> I had accidentally left "Use MIME when sending messages" checked in my
internet
> mail settings. I thought I had turned that off, but 5 installs in 2 weeks will get
> you a little confused!
>
> I apologize for the inconvience.
>
> (Will be embarrassed if not solution, but I think it is.)
>
> begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
> M>)\^(AT0`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <`
> M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@**%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$
> MD 8`2 $```$````,`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````5P``````

Well, that got rid of the MIME attachment, but replaced it with
a UUENCODED attachment.

I seem to remember a discussion on this subject in the past, and the
solution may have involved deselecting a check box labled
'Include Message as Attachment' or something like that.
Message no. 37
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:40:04 -0500 (EST)
><Finds a *much* safer place to hide before Gurth posts TC's manifesto and
>invites the wrath of the Horrors upon himself>
>
>:)
>
>You know, posting the Manifesto again might start a pretty good debate on
>roleplaying... Then again...
>
Well, I know a few of us were'nt around the first time to see it, and now
you got us curious as to what this thing was that's got most of you rattled
so badly...

I vote post it....:)

But of course, I like pain...:)



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chaos@*****.com
Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?
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"I say we go back to the ship, and nuke the
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-Ripley, "Aliens"
Message no. 38
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:12:49 -0600 (MDT)
Now I'm getting something completely different.

Jonathan Hurley wrote:
|
|Spike[SMTP:u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk] wrote:
|>|
|>|
|>|------ =_NextPart_000_01BBAFB9.3CF7BD60
|>|Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
|>|Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
|>|
|>|David Buehrer[SMTP:dbuehrer@****.org] wrote:
|>|>Jonathan Hurley wrote:
|>|>|
|>|>|------ =_NextPart_000_01BBAF86.04E1B580
|>|>|Content-Type: application/ms-tnef
|>|>|Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
|>|>|
|>|>|eJ8+IgIOAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy
|>|>|b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYASAEAAAEAAAAMAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL
|>|Not according to pine on my account.
|>|
|>|IS anyone else seeing this problem?
|>|
|>|If so, let me know so I can fix it
|>
|>Yep... There's definately a MIME attachment.
|>(And using elm, ,that is REALLY irritating....)
|>
|THANK YOU!!!!!!
|
|I found out why it was doing that.
|
|I had accidentally left "Use MIME when sending messages" checked in my internet
|mail settings. I thought I had turned that off, but 5 installs in 2 weeks will get you a
little confused!
|
|I apologize for the inconvience.
|
|(Will be embarrassed if not solution, but I think it is.)
|
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-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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Message no. 39
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:18:28 -0600 (MDT)
David Buehrer wrote:
|
|Now I'm getting something completely different.
|

Doh! I meant to switch the header so that only went to
Jonathon. Sorry.

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm~~~~
Message no. 40
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:39:04 -0400 (EDT)
At 06:59 AM 10/2/96 -0600, you wrote:

>You know, posting the Manifesto again might start a pretty good debate on
>roleplaying... Then again...

But only if you delete the paragraph that starts "This isn't a post made to
be debated, this is my view on things." *grin*

--
"I dyde shyte thre grete toordes." Fables of Aesop,
Caxton translation,
V15 1484
Message no. 41
From: Dvixen Vidi Vici <dvixen@****.spydernet.com>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:56:04 -0700 (PDT)
On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Gurth wrote:

> > There was a 'purge' about four, five (?) months back.
>
> Was that at the time when Mark's office looked like it was located in
> Beirut?

Huh? I thought it was the floods predicted by Noah.


--
AJ Schaafsma Dvixen@****.spydernet.com
This post in no way reflect the opinions of the myriad voices in my head.

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Message no. 42
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 01:04:50 -0400 (EDT)
I will have you all know I do not know where Topcat is. But I think Mr.
Hoffa might know. Of course whoever reposts the manifesto will be finding
out quickly. :)

Sasquatch

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Message no. 43
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: RE: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:47:21 +0100
Jonathan Hurley said on 12:26/ 2 Oct 96...

> THANK YOU!!!!!!
>
> I found out why it was doing that.
>
> I had accidentally left "Use MIME when sending messages" checked in my
> internet mail settings. I thought I had turned that off, but 5 installs
> in 2 weeks will get you a little confused!

Okay, the attachment problem seems to be solved, but now there's something
else: see below...

> I apologize for the inconvience.
>
> (Will be embarrassed if not solution, but I think it is.)
>
> begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
> M>)\^(AT0`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <`
> M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@**%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$

...now you're attaching UUencoded stuff to the end of your messages...

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Message no. 44
From: "Andre' Selmer" <031ANDRE@******.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:16:09 GMT + 2:00
@
@ >You know, posting the Manifesto again might start a pretty good debate on
@ >roleplaying... Then again...
@
@ But only if you delete the paragraph that starts "This isn't a post made to
@ be debated, this is my view on things." *grin*
@

I wonder if my Postmaster will allow me to increase my mail box
again. <ponder>

;)


Odd

-- We exist because you want us to, because you are
|__|__ afraid to face the facts. We are what you fear
/\ /\ \ in the deep recesses of your soul, yourselves.
|\ /\ /| | It is there in the shadows of your soul and those
|/ \/ \| | of the street that we exist. Through the use of
\/__\/ might, magic, cunning, blood, sweat and tears we
protect you from your fears, from youselves, from
others and keep your utopia, not ours, intact.
Message no. 45
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:01:12 +0100 (BST)
|>Yep... There's definately a MIME attachment.
|>(And using elm, ,that is REALLY irritating....)
|>
|THANK YOU!!!!!!
|
|I found out why it was doing that.
|
|I had accidentally left "Use MIME when sending messages" checked in my internet
|mail settings. I thought I had turned that off, but 5 installs in 2 weeks will get you a
little confused!
|
|I apologize for the inconvience.
|
|(Will be embarrassed if not solution, but I think it is.)
|
|begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
|M>)\^(AT0`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <`
|M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@**%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$

Rest of uuencode snipped.

|(#33]-P``>=NP
|`
|end
|
|
I think you've exchanged one problem with another.
What *is* WINMAIL.DAT by the way?

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Message no. 46
From: The Jestyr <s421539@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Into the shadows and Topcat
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:49:44 +1000 (EST)
> >OK, I'm new here and this isn't the first I've heard of the mysterious
> >TOPCAT manifesto.
> >What exactly was the deal?
> >As near as I can puzzle it out, this guy posted something that seriously
> >disturbed a lot of people, and he was flamed out of existence?
> >Any of you old timers want to enlighten us?
>
> Oh, just someone who fancied himself a "master roleplayer" and posted a
huge
> treatise on how to role play, how Shadowrun should be run, etc.

That's funny, I can think of certain other people who fit that bill, too. :(

Miserable Lady Jestyr

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