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Message no. 1
From: Matthew Diederich <matthew@****.BAKA.COM>
Subject: Introduction and question.
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:12:26 -0500
Hi, it's been several years for me (since the heydey of Doctor Doom, no
less), but I am back.

Ahem. Anyway. Here goes my question.

I am starting up a fresh new Shadowrun campaign, after several years
(read: two) of not running the game consistently. (I had dallied about on
the several online Shadowrun games.)

The game goes well. Everything is fine. BUT. Two problems.

1. Where did Paolo's site run off to?

2. Can anyone recommend good Web/FTP sites for source material?

3. I use the point based system out of the Companion (I find it
far more versatile characters) and I have heard that SR3 does
not transfer that well - IE, point based characters are flawed.
Can anyone reply to me via personal e-mail on their suggestions
for this supposed problem? I am getting SR3 this week and will
need to update the characters.


Anyway. That's a good start.

Oh, by the way. I'm Matt. Hi.
Message no. 2
From: Lehlan Decker <DeckerL@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Introduction and question.
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:30:28 -0500
Welcome back.

> 1. Where did Paolo's site run off to?
It's current offline while being physically rewritten, and moved
to canada. Adam J, has been giving us regular updates.

> 2. Can anyone recommend good Web/FTP sites for source material?

Best idea, go to the SR webring, and surf through it. Lots of good
stuff there.


> 3. I use the point based system out of the Companion (I find it
> far more versatile characters) and I have heard that SR3 does
> not transfer that well - IE, point based characters are flawed.
> Can anyone reply to me via personal e-mail on their suggestions
> for this supposed problem? I am getting SR3 this week and will
> need to update the characters.

Actually you can still use it without a problem. You just have to
scale the points around alittle bit, and readjust a few things. I don't
have the info handy, but I know several folks have posted their
thoughts on using the point system and SR3. Check the list archives
for the last 3 monthes. They should be in there.
Message no. 3
From: Scott W <see_scott_run@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Introduction and question.
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:35:31 -0800
---Matthew Diederich <matthew@****.BAKA.COM> wrote:

<snippety-snip>

> 3. I use the point based system out of the
> Companion (I find it far more versatile characters)
> and I have heard that SR3 does not transfer that
> well - IE, point based characters are flawed.
> Can anyone reply to me via personal e-mail on their
> suggestions for this supposed problem? I am getting
> SR3 this week and will need to update the
> characters.

I'd like to ask anyone who's gonna (or who did)
respond to this to reply either to me as well, or to
the list. I'd love to know how you guys deal with
this.
Personally, as a really quick fix, I kept everything
the same except for Race. Because being Metahuman
seems so much easier in SR3, I did the following:
Elf or Troll: 5 points
Ork or Dwarf: 0 points
Human: -5 (IOW, get five extra points)

This obviously needs a lot of tweaking, but it was a
desperate situation, so faster was better.

Scott
==

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learn how to lose."
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Message no. 4
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Introduction and question.
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:13:37 -0600
On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:35:31 -0800 Scott W <see_scott_run@*****.COM>
writes:
>---Matthew Diederich <matthew@****.BAKA.COM> wrote:
><snippety-snip>
>> 3. I use the point based system out of the
>> Companion (I find it far more versatile characters)
>> and I have heard that SR3 does not transfer that
>> well - IE, point based characters are flawed.
>> Can anyone reply to me via personal e-mail on their
>> suggestions for this supposed problem? I am getting
>> SR3 this week and will need to update the
>> characters.
>
> I'd like to ask anyone who's gonna (or who did)
>respond to this to reply either to me as well, or to
>the list. I'd love to know how you guys deal with this.
<SNIP>

James Ojaste had a version where he recalced the costs so the total was
still 100 points. Me I went the simple way. To compensate for the extra
points for each skill pick, increase the BPs available by 10. The stat
picks on average give an extra 3 points so increase the BPs available by
6. Due to the changes to the Races, Dwarves and Orks cost 5 BPs, Elves
and Trolls cost 10 BPs, Humans and Shapeshifters are unchanged...
everything else (houserule races, metahuman variants, etc.) will have to
be worked out on a case by case basis. Lastly adjust the resources
according to the new priorities in SR3.

In summary, +16 BPs, Dwarves & Orks cost 5 points, and resources are now
0 points for 5,000 nuyen, 5 points for 20,000 nuyen. Everything else is
unchanged.

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"Coffee without caffeine is like sex without the spanking." -- Cupid
"A magician is always 'touching' himself" --Page 123, Grimoire (2nd
Edition)

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Message no. 5
From: Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject: Re: Introduction and question.
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:52:22 -0700
At 12:12 12/4/98 -0500, Matthew Diederich wrote:

> 1. Where did Paolo's site run off to?

Please do not take this as gospel, but things are looking good for this
weekend. If you want to know right when the site goes up, Undernet
#Shadowrun is -the- place. ShadowRN and the other Itribe lists will be the
next to know..

> 2. Can anyone recommend good Web/FTP sites for source material?

Wait until the new Archive comes up.. <grin>

> 3. I use the point based system out of the Companion (I find it
> far more versatile characters) and I have heard that SR3 does
> not transfer that well - IE, point based characters are flawed.
> Can anyone reply to me via personal e-mail on their suggestions
> for this supposed problem? I am getting SR3 this week and will
> need to update the characters.

There's a bunch of alternate point systems that people have written and
published online.

Actually, if anyone has written a SR3 points system, -please- email me and
let me know where I can find it, as I could be using this resource myself
real soon now.

-Adam J
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Message no. 6
From: Starjammer <starjammer@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Introduction and question.
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:02:28 -0500
At 04:52 PM 12/4/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>There's a bunch of alternate point systems that people have written and
>published online.
>
>Actually, if anyone has written a SR3 points system, -please- email me and
>let me know where I can find it, as I could be using this resource myself
>real soon now.
>
>-Adam J

I haven't seen any such systems, but I have calculated the point costs
under the SRC system for all possible combinations under the SR3 Priority
Table. (And to answer the next obvious question, because I wanted to know,
and because I could. It's great to be mathematically non-challenged... ;) )

Point costs range from 98 to 131 points, depending on Priority
arrangements. Average cost is 118.65 points among all combinations. I
recommend using 120 points, and using Edges and Flaws to balance out
characters outside the curve.

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Message no. 7
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Introduction and question.
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:21:59 -0500
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At 04:52 PM 12/4/98 -0700, Adam J wrote:
>>There's a bunch of alternate point systems that people have written
and
>published online.
>
>Actually, if anyone has written a SR3 points system, -please- email
me and
>let me know where I can find it, as I could be using this resource
myself
>real soon now.

Deirdre Brooks has a SR3 points system up on her site:
http://www.teleport.com/~xenya/sr3comp.html

And James Ojaste has a system of his own at:
http://ojaste.ml.org/~ojastej/SRII/Points.html
(Though the domain name for this page might go down sometime in the
near future.)

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Message no. 8
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Introduction and question.
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:18:29 -0500
D. Ghost wrote:

> >> 3. I use the point based system out of the
> >> Companion (I find it far more versatile characters)
> >> and I have heard that SR3 does not transfer that
> >> well - IE, point based characters are flawed.
[snip]
> James Ojaste had a version where he recalced the costs so the total was
> still 100 points. Me I went the simple way. To compensate for the extra
>
Sorry - that was somebody else. I reverse-engineered the whole
priority table and tweaked it a bit. I ended up with 120 points to
spend, with changes for the costs of mages, race and resources.

http://ojaste.ml.org/~ojastej/SR/Points.html
or http://24.112.94.75/~ojastej/SR/Points.html

James Ojaste

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