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Message no. 1
From: Hobbis <hobbis@****.COM>
Subject: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:30:41 -0500
Greetings, listmembers. I am Hobbis, formerly/commonly known as Calvinoi
MindFlyer. It's been a while since I subbed to shadowrn, but it's good to
be back. Now that it's summer and school is (temporarily) out, I'm GM'ing
quite often and plan on updating the Physical Adepts Handybook at some
point. (Contributions are still welcome!) On to the main topic, though...

Harlequin. Certainly, part of his charm is his enigmatic nature, but that
doesn't mean that we can't get to know him better. Having recently launched
into an Earthdawn campaign as a PC, my interest in Harlequin was rekindled.
I checked web sites for a nice, centralized source of Harlequin info, but
alas, was sorely disappointed. I own Harlequin('s Back), have read Chris
Ryan's ED-SR crossover list, and have already visited Dreamweaver's
Harlequin background page, but I can't help but think that there's more out
there on Harlequin. I would like to generate some sort of centralized
source of information on -H-, hopefully drawing on the knowledge of many.
I'm also interested in any conjecture that might exist as to the truth
behind this elf. His wheelings, his dealings, his friends, his power, his
growth, his role throughout the ages, ad nauseum. I've been out of touch
for a while, so forgive me if this has already become another "ammo"
thread, but I doubt it. :) Any input will be, of course, greatly
appreciated. Thanks!

"Love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence." H.L. Mencken

Hobbis@****.com
http://www.cris.com/~hobbis/
Message no. 2
From: Greg Childress <greg@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 03:16:26 -0400
At 01:30 AM 6/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Greetings, listmembers. I am Hobbis, formerly/commonly known as Calvinoi
>MindFlyer. It's been a while since I subbed to shadowrn, but it's good to
>be back. Now that it's summer and school is (temporarily) out, I'm GM'ing
>quite often and plan on updating the Physical Adepts Handybook at some
>point. (Contributions are still welcome!) On to the main topic, though...
>
>Harlequin. Certainly, part of his charm is his enigmatic nature, but that
>doesn't mean that we can't get to know him better. Having recently launched
>into an Earthdawn campaign as a PC, my interest in Harlequin was rekindled.
>I checked web sites for a nice, centralized source of Harlequin info, but
>alas, was sorely disappointed. I own Harlequin('s Back), have read Chris
>Ryan's ED-SR crossover list, and have already visited Dreamweaver's
>Harlequin background page, but I can't help but think that there's more out
>there on Harlequin. I would like to generate some sort of centralized
>source of information on -H-, hopefully drawing on the knowledge of many.
>I'm also interested in any conjecture that might exist as to the truth
>behind this elf. His wheelings, his dealings, his friends, his power, his
>growth, his role throughout the ages, ad nauseum. I've been out of touch
>for a while, so forgive me if this has already become another "ammo"
>thread, but I doubt it. :) Any input will be, of course, greatly
>appreciated. Thanks!
>
>"Love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence." H.L. Mencken
>
>Hobbis@****.com
>http://www.cris.com/~hobbis/
>

Harlequin is a game developer plot piece. He exists only as a method of
ramming a plotline down the throats of the PC's. I'm sorry to complain,
but the character is just so blatantly an attempt to graft an interesting
superpowerful mascot onto the Shadowrun world. Game Developers, get a
clue! This worked really well in the Lord of the Rings (archetypally) and
fantasy literature in general but just fails in a game setting. The need
to make the character powerful enough to bully the PC's reduces the scope
of the character until it is simply boring. (Think ELminister in AD&D- So
he was old... enough already!) And anyway, why bother bullying the PC's
with such a ridiculous farce of a character; There are enough factors in
the world that would motivate them with out a Dork ex machina.
Greg
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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:03:54 +0100
Hobbis said on 0:30/28 Jun 97...

> Greetings, listmembers. I am Hobbis, formerly/commonly known as Calvinoi
> MindFlyer.

Long time no see! Welcome back, the Bull-Bot should greet you shortly :)

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Message no. 4
From: Hobbis <hobbis@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 09:56:43 -0500
>Harlequin is a game developer plot piece. He exists only as a method of
>ramming a plotline down the throats of the PC's. I'm sorry to complain,
>but the character is just so blatantly an attempt to graft an interesting
>superpowerful mascot onto the Shadowrun world. Game Developers, get a
>clue! This worked really well in the Lord of the Rings (archetypally) and
>fantasy literature in general but just fails in a game setting. The need
>to make the character powerful enough to bully the PC's reduces the scope
>of the character until it is simply boring. (Think ELminister in AD&D- So
>he was old... enough already!) And anyway, why bother bullying the PC's
>with such a ridiculous farce of a character; There are enough factors in
>the world that would motivate them with out a Dork ex machina.

Well, part of the reason I want more information on him is to point out his
weaknesses/flaws. Granted, the developers use him as a bit of a divine
intervention, but I tend to see him (or at least want to see him) as more
of a tragic hero. He's a lot less manipulative than some of his
contemporaries. In Harlequin's Back, he is not the one pushing the runners
into action. That responsibility lies in the hands of "greater powers"
(passions?). I don't think it's a conflict of interests to try and humanize
(elfinize?) Harlequin while retaining his powerful status. Also, if the
character's power is used to just "bully the PC's," as you said, then the
GM is playing him that way. Maybe I give my players unusual freedom, but I
let them back out on something if they want to, particularly in highly
episodic campaigns like Harlequin. I'm not about to say that -H- is going
to come gunning for them if they don't do something. He'll just find some
other group. It's true that you can't really get out of anything in
Harlequin's Back, but what kind of players wouldn't want to save the world
(without facing a public reputation) and get oodles of karma? -H- is just a
character in H's Back, not a god. But alas, I ramble. I appreciate the
comments, but I must disagree a bit.

"My soul, do not seek immortal life, but exhaust the realm of the possible."
- Pindar

Hobbis@****.com
http://www.cris.com/~hobbis/
Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:31:41 +0100
|
|Greetings, listmembers. I am Hobbis, formerly/commonly known as Calvinoi
|MindFlyer. It's been a while since I subbed to shadowrn, but it's good to
|be back.

Hmmmm.. Must be quite a while. The name's new to me...
Anyway, the Bull-bot will be by shortly....
(If it hasn't already been....)

Now that it's summer and school is (temporarily) out, I'm GM'ing
|quite often and plan on updating the Physical Adepts Handybook at some
|point. (Contributions are still welcome!) On to the main topic, though...

Wish I had the time....
(Summer Job dontchaknow....)

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Message no. 6
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:35:17 +0100
|he was old... enough already!) And anyway, why bother bullying the PC's
|with such a ridiculous farce of a character; There are enough factors in
|the world that would motivate them with out a Dork ex machina.

Errrrr.... Greg?
It's just a game Greg.....

And Harlequin has never been used to bully players in anything official.
(That kind of stuff is just beneath him....)

It CAN make an interesting plot twist if someone turns out to be more that
"just" an elf, which is the way the Original Harly adventure was written.

(Hell, they didn't even meet him 'till the very end... Properly... In
Person... Sort of....)

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Message no. 7
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:03:38 -0400
At 12:30 AM 6/28/97 -0500, Hobbis wrote these timeless words:
>Greetings, listmembers. I am Hobbis, formerly/commonly known as Calvinoi
>MindFlyer. It's been a while since I subbed to shadowrn, but it's good to
>be back. Now that it's summer and school is (temporarily) out, I'm GM'ing
>quite often and plan on updating the Physical Adepts Handybook at some
>point. (Contributions are still welcome!) On to the main topic, though...
>
Hoi there Hobbis... Welcome back to the fold...:]

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Hello there, and welcome back list-member Hobbis! Welcome back to the
Shadowrn Mailing List!

It's a great place, with good people and great discussion! hope ya like mail!

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Melts in your mouth, not in your hand. But what *IS* it?

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[SNIP harley stuff]

I'm not real familiar with harley, personally, as until recently I haven't
had access to the harley books... I have recently come across a copy of
the original Harlequin (along with a BUNCH of original 1st ed. books), so
will be checking him out further in the near future.

Other than that, my character, Bull has met harley on several occasions.
Seems like a nice enough guy, but a lot on his mind, ya know? Also more
than a little strange... :]

<grin>

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Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:14:01 +0100
|Melts in your mouth, not in your hand. But what *IS* it?

An M&M, obviously.....
(Soft milk cholcolate in a crisp, candy shell....)

DAMN! I want one now!
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Message no. 9
From: Swordman <swordman@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:46:15 -0500
Hobbis wrote:
>
> >Harlequin is a game developer plot piece. He exists only as a method of
> >ramming a plotline down the throats of the PC's. I'm sorry to complain,
> >but the character is just so blatantly an attempt to graft an interesting
> >superpowerful mascot onto the Shadowrun world. Game Developers, get a
> >clue! This worked really well in the Lord of the Rings (archetypally) and
> >fantasy literature in general but just fails in a game setting. The need
> >to make the character powerful enough to bully the PC's reduces the scope
> >of the character until it is simply boring. (Think ELminister in AD&D- So
> >he was old... enough already!) And anyway, why bother bullying the PC's
> >with such a ridiculous farce of a character; There are enough factors in
> >the world that would motivate them with out a Dork ex machina.
>
> Well, part of the reason I want more information on him is to point out his
> weaknesses/flaws. Granted, the developers use him as a bit of a divine
> intervention, but I tend to see him (or at least want to see him) as more
> of a tragic hero. He's a lot less manipulative than some of his
> contemporaries. In Harlequin's Back, he is not the one pushing the runners
> into action. That responsibility lies in the hands of "greater powers"
> (passions?). I don't think it's a conflict of interests to try and humanize
> (elfinize?) Harlequin while retaining his powerful status. Also, if the
> character's power is used to just "bully the PC's," as you said, then the
> GM is playing him that way. Maybe I give my players unusual freedom, but I
> let them back out on something if they want to, particularly in highly
> episodic campaigns like Harlequin. I'm not about to say that -H- is going
> to come gunning for them if they don't do something. He'll just find some
> other group. It's true that you can't really get out of anything in
> Harlequin's Back, but what kind of players wouldn't want to save the world
> (without facing a public reputation) and get oodles of karma? -H- is just a
> character in H's Back, not a god. But alas, I ramble. I appreciate the
> comments, but I must disagree a bit.
>
> "My soul, do not seek immortal life, but exhaust the realm of the
possible."
> - Pindar
>
> Hobbis@****.com
> http://www.cris.com/~hobbis/

That's how I see Harlequin my self.
But Harlequin STILL exists as one of the back ground influences of my
campaign, and the fact that there are NO guide lines outside of
Harlequin and Harlequin's Back make him all that more effective. He's
shrouded in mystery to the PC and since I can only theorize the story
behind the man, the PC's are feed only a shadow of the theory which
simply amplifies the effect. The name Harlequin has been one of
reverence and respect in my games for the past 2 or 3 years at least.
I just think to Humanize (elvenize) Har'lea'quinn you don't destroy the
image was intended to project... it's like saying Bruce Lee was just
another China man too.
Message no. 10
From: Swordman <swordman@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:47:46 -0500
Spike wrote:
>
> |he was old... enough already!) And anyway, why bother bullying the PC's
> |with such a ridiculous farce of a character; There are enough factors in
> |the world that would motivate them with out a Dork ex machina.
>
> Errrrr.... Greg?
> It's just a game Greg.....
>
> And Harlequin has never been used to bully players in anything official.
> (That kind of stuff is just beneath him....)
>
> It CAN make an interesting plot twist if someone turns out to be more that
> "just" an elf, which is the way the Original Harly adventure was written.
>
> (Hell, they didn't even meet him 'till the very end... Properly... In
> Person... Sort of....)

Try Harlequin's Back... you metaphisicly fight my his side! :>
Message no. 11
From: Max Rible <slothman@*********.ORG>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 14:55:25 -0800
At 00:30 6/28/97 -0500, Hobbis wrote:
>Harlequin. Certainly, part of his charm is his enigmatic nature, but that
>doesn't mean that we can't get to know him better. Having recently launched
>into an Earthdawn campaign as a PC, my interest in Harlequin was rekindled.
>I checked web sites for a nice, centralized source of Harlequin info, but
>alas, was sorely disappointed. I own Harlequin('s Back), have read Chris
>Ryan's ED-SR crossover list, and have already visited Dreamweaver's
>Harlequin background page, but I can't help but think that there's more out
>there on Harlequin. I would like to generate some sort of centralized
>source of information on -H-, hopefully drawing on the knowledge of many.
>I'm also interested in any conjecture that might exist as to the truth
>behind this elf. His wheelings, his dealings, his friends, his power, his
>growth, his role throughout the ages, ad nauseum. I've been out of touch
>for a while, so forgive me if this has already become another "ammo"
>thread, but I doubt it. :) Any input will be, of course, greatly
>appreciated. Thanks!

In the ED Blood Wood sourcebook, the ambassador from Sereatha, City of
Spires, to the Blood Wood is one Caimbueul, which is a name rather close
to the one Aina calls Harlequin in Worlds Without End. In the Blood Wood
sourcebook, people are amazed at how this Caimbueul seems to be able to
talk back to Alachia in a way no Blood Elf would ever dare...

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Message no. 12
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:33:18 -0600
At 00:30 6/28/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Harlequin. Certainly, part of his charm is his enigmatic nature, but that

<snipped the rest>

Strange, I was actually working on this for the list FAQ late last night :)
Some other quick references for Harlequin information: The three short
stories Tom Dowd has that are on the web. Two are at Paolo's archive, one
is at FASA's home page. The SR novel 'House of the Sun' has also includes
him, unless I'm gravely mistaken.. I know some of the other novels have
info on him, but I haven't read them all :)

I'll post the Famous Shadowrun Characters addition to the FAQ sometime this
week. (And although Saturday is the last day of the week, it won't be
*this* week. Try next week. I don't believe Sunday is the first day,
anyways.)

-Adam

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Message no. 13
From: Greg Childress <greg@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:46:17 -0400
At 10:35 AM 6/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>|he was old... enough already!) And anyway, why bother bullying the PC's
>|with such a ridiculous farce of a character; There are enough factors in
>|the world that would motivate them with out a Dork ex machina.
>
>Errrrr.... Greg?
>It's just a game Greg.....
>
>And Harlequin has never been used to bully players in anything official.
>(That kind of stuff is just beneath him....)
>
>It CAN make an interesting plot twist if someone turns out to be more that
>"just" an elf, which is the way the Original Harly adventure was written.
>
>(Hell, they didn't even meet him 'till the very end... Properly... In
>Person... Sort of....)
>
>--
>___________________________________________________________________________
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>|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?"
|
>|Andrew Halliwell |
|
>|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control
|
>|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the
voice..." |
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Oh, I know. I was just bitchin'
Perhaps bully is not the word I was looking for; it does sorta imply your
interpretation of what I said. Anyway, please take my opinion on this
issue with a huge salt rock. I'm not fond at all of the SR/ED crossover,
nor do I think it makes much sense. I also think it moves too radically
from the cyberpunk roots of Shadowrun and leads the game in the direction
of Tolkien-with-guns, a direction that the existence of magic (not that I
am in any way against magic, I mean without it it really wouldn't be
shadowrun) pushes the system and world already. But I was NOT saying that
the original poster should cease his efforts, more power to him. I was
just spouting off with my opinion about the effectiveness a device that is
usually associated with the writing of Fantasy Fiction in shadowrun.


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Message no. 14
From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 00:21:48 -0500
You wrote:
> Oh, I know. I was just bitchin'
> Perhaps bully is not the word I was looking for; it does sorta imply your
> interpretation of what I said. Anyway, please take my opinion on this
> issue with a huge salt rock. I'm not fond at all of the SR/ED crossover,
> nor do I think it makes much sense. I also think it moves too radically
> from the cyberpunk roots of Shadowrun and leads the game in the direction
> of Tolkien-with-guns, a direction that the existence of magic (not that I
> am in any way against magic, I mean without it it really wouldn't be
> shadowrun) pushes the system and world already.

I couldn't agree more. SR's shift from cyberpunk with an edge of magic to
'fantasy with guns and cyberware' has disappointed me. It was what I first
expected from the game, and I was pleasantly surprised by the grittiness of the
SR world (awayyyy back in first ed), at a time before I'd really discovered
'cyberpunk'. It seems so much to have turned into good-guy runners against big
evil corps... whereas Sally, Ghost, and even Dedger were not really 'good
guys'.

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Message no. 15
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:19:58 +0100
|In the ED Blood Wood sourcebook, the ambassador from Sereatha, City of
|Spires, to the Blood Wood is one Caimbueul, which is a name rather close
|to the one Aina calls Harlequin in Worlds Without End. In the Blood Wood
|sourcebook, people are amazed at how this Caimbueul seems to be able to
|talk back to Alachia in a way no Blood Elf would ever dare...

Well.... He was called "The last knight of the crying spire" in Harlies
back....

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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 16
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:27:23 +0100
|>|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now!
|:( |
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|>
|
|Oh, I know. I was just bitchin'


My turn for a bit of bitchin'....

PLEASE! When you reply to messages, do NOT just zap to the end of the page
and start typing.

Delete the .sig and anything that isn't relevant before you hit send.

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|Andrew Halliwell | |
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Message no. 17
From: Harlequin <harlequin@*********.CA>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 08:32:30 -0400
Hmmmm for -H- Info:

the names:

Harlequin, -H-, Har'lea'quinn, Caimbeul, The Laughing Man, The Smiling
Bandit

do i forget some?

Relationship:

Positively he know:

Lofwyr, Glasgian Oakforest, Aina, Dunklezhan, Ehran the scribe, Lady
Breigh Deigh (the blood queen i think...), Jane Foster...

I surely forget some... ... all immortals elves maybe...

he *must often* figure as an elf... but there is nothing that say that he
is REALLY an elf.... he may even be a ALIEN or a HORROR in disguise...

More info will come in the future...
Message no. 18
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 08:57:38 -0400
At 08:32 AM 6/29/97 -0400, Harlequin wrote these timeless words:
>Hmmmm for -H- Info:
>
>the names:
>The Smiling Bandit
>
As a note here, there is nothing to indicate that Harley is Smiling Bandit
(Indeed, this is the first time I've ever heard this connection made), and
several things to indicate that harley is NOT SB...

For one, Smiley is definately a decker, and most likely one of the better
deckers in the world. He is the first decker (That I know of) to change
the time/date stamp on his Shadowland Posts.

Harley, on the other hand, is not a decker. Probably doesn't even know a
whole about decking. Granted, he knows some top notch deckers, but...
he's a magician of some sort.

Just thought I'd put my 2 cents in here... While it's not impossible for
Smiley to really be Harley, I highly doubt it...

Bull
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Message no. 19
From: Harlequin <harlequin@*********.CA>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 09:18:44 -0400
> As a note here, there is nothing to indicate that Harley is Smiling
Bandit
> (Indeed, this is the first time I've ever heard this connection made),
and
> several things to indicate that harley is NOT SB...
>
> For one, Smiley is definately a decker, and most likely one of the better
> deckers in the world. He is the first decker (That I know of) to change
> the time/date stamp on his Shadowland Posts.
>
> Harley, on the other hand, is not a decker. Probably doesn't even know a
> whole about decking. Granted, he knows some top notch deckers, but...
> he's a magician of some sort.

Hmmm.. so, «The Laughing Man» also is able to change the time/date of his
messages on shadowland...
(p 20-23 virtual realities 2.0) so Laughing Man and Smiling Bandit are the
same guy but they are NOT Harlequin?
It is possible... but there no sign of evidence to prove they are...

Harlequin was nicknamed «the laughing man» but i dont remember where i took
this info... :(

Harlequin - The master of chaos
harlequin@*********.ca
Message no. 20
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 12:05:52 EDT
On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 09:18:44 -0400 Harlequin <harlequin@*********.CA>
writes:
<<Hmmm.. so, «The Laughing Man» also is able to change the time/date of
his messages on shadowland...
(p 20-23 virtual realities 2.0) so Laughing Man and Smiling Bandit are
the same guy but they are NOT Harlequin?>>

I'd say that it's safe to assume that Harlequin is The Laughing Man, but
that the Smiling Bandit has no relationship to him, aside from
coincidence. Remember, with the resources the IE have at their disposal,
altering the time/date stamp on a deck isn't going to be much of
anything, there _are_ elven deckers, after all:)


--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
Message no. 21
From: Jonathan Hurley <jhurley1@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:50:03 -0400
On Sunday, June 29, 1997 08:32, Harlequin[SMTP:harlequin@*********.CA] wrote:
> Hmmmm for -H- Info:
>
> the names:
>
> Harlequin, -H-, Har'lea'quinn, Caimbeul, The Laughing Man, The Smiling
^^^^^^^^^^^
> Bandit
^^^^^^^^

Eh? On what evidence? (I doubt -H- is a very good decker.)

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deserve neither freedom nor security
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Jonathan Hurley (mailto:jhurley1@************.edu)
Message no. 22
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:49:43 -0500
<snip request for Harlequin Bio>
Well, I actually dislike H. less than many other
listmembers, but I've got a cool adventure idea
that I sometimes call "Harelquin's Dead"...,
although in fact he dies 3/4 through the
adventure, trying to save the world, of course.

Its a massive time-travel, planet spanning
monstrosity of an adventure, and if I get it sorted
out a bit better, maybe I'll post some details to
this list or ShadowGM...

Double-Domed Mike
(not dictating right now, cause I'm eating lunch)
Message no. 23
From: "Arno R. Lehmann" <arlehma@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 01:07:26 +0200
On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:49:43 -0500, Mike Elkins wrote:

>(not dictating right now, cause I'm eating lunch)
>
But would that not be a real challenge for that software?

(I might try it myself if only I ever get to train that VoiceType thing
to recognise me ... will surely be interesting ...


--
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Message no. 24
From: Angel Ramos y David Fayes <hansa@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:18:55 -0400
At 07:33 PM 28/06/1997 -0600, Adam wrote:
>[snip]

>Strange, I was actually working on this for the list FAQ late last night :)
>Some other quick references for Harlequin information: The three short
>stories Tom Dowd has that are on the web. Two are at Paolo's archive, one
>is at FASA's home page. The SR novel 'House of the Sun' has also includes
>him, unless I'm gravely mistaken.. I know some of the other novels have
>info on him, but I haven't read them all :)
I've just read House of the sun and I think also that Quinn Harlech is
really -H-.
I'm sorry but I cannot comment more about -H- because I know only the info
a PC would knoe\w about him playing Harlequin. I'm just waiting to play HB!!!


The Elven Mage
Message no. 25
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 13:17:19 GMT
Harlequin writes

> Hmmmm for -H- Info:
>
> the names:
>
> Harlequin, -H-, Har'lea'quinn, Caimbeul, The Laughing Man,
Harlech Quintin.

> The Smiling
> Bandit
>
No.

> Positively he know:
>
> Lofwyr, Glasgian Oakforest,

> Aina,
Ania Dupree of the Draco Foundation.

> Dunklezhan,
The 'Big D' as if you couldn't guess.

> Ehran the scribe,
Wordsmyth.

> Lady
> Breigh Deigh (the blood queen i think...),
No 'Lady of the court'. She is queen of the Seelie court Tir na nOg,
and at best a spike baby elf. She will be immortal but is probably
under 200 years old.
The blood queen is 'Alachia' , ref blood wood (Wrym wood), Worlds
without end etc.

> Jane Foster...
Ah Frosty! Ehrans Daughter.

>
> I surely forget some... ... all immortals elves maybe...
>
Well except the deceased Dragon!

Black Madonna includes a couple more, Leo and that mage whos name i
forget.

> he *must often* figure as an elf... but there is nothing that say that he
> is REALLY an elf.... he may even be a ALIEN or a HORROR in disguise...
>
H is an elf, though he's been a bit too close to the Horrors for
comfort in his past. (what comes of fighting the things)

> More info will come in the future...
>

Mark
Message no. 26
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Intro & Harlequin Info...
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 13:30:00 GMT
Angel Ramos y David Fayes writes
> >is at FASA's home page. The SR novel 'House of the Sun' has also includes
> >him, unless I'm gravely mistaken.. I know some of the other novels have
> >info on him, but I haven't read them all :)
This coule be considered spoilers though it doesn't really give any
plot away.





> I've just read House of the sun and I think also that Quinn Harlech is
> really -H-.
It's 'Quintin Harlech'

Now do as the lady does and say it : Harlech Quintin : now repeat at
speed a few times, your brain will rappidly insert Harlequin as
easier to say than the results, needless to say he is :).
The spell he casts on the main character also is very reminiscent of
'pain' which is a ED Nethermancer spell.

> I'm sorry but I cannot comment more about -H- because I know only the info
> a PC would knoe\w about him playing Harlequin. I'm just waiting to play HB!!!
>
Mark

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