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Message no. 1
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 02:55:57 +0100
In article <199610092000.PAA13239@***.ncweb.com>, Steven Ratkovich
<chaos@*****.com> writes
>>
>Well, Bull's now resubscribed and ready to help us take over, so just give
>the word Pete... I think you're the unofficial team leader in this op...
>
>BTW, will this be a standup fight or a bughunt?

All we know is that there's still no contact with the colony and that a
Xenomorph may be involved. ... [:-{

>>>Serious mode on<<<
I just received a mail from some chap called Fro - apparently this is
the gentleman responsible for updating the FAQ for this (and I assume)
the other lists. He says that I'm not allowed to continue this
discussion of Shadowtk Invasion, 'coz, it's dumb and that the list has
an ongoing game, and we're not *allowed* to invade. :(

So... What I'm going to do, is wait for a while, and see what the FAQ
is turned into. I would like to see him conditionaly define *exactly*
what Shadowtk is actually for, in the FAQ for this list, and others that
mention Shadowtk. It states in the FAQ I got, that it's for in
character discussions of Shadowrun leading to plot ideas and in
character information. Admittedly *not* silliness, but that was never
the intention anyway. But then I never learned to read properly, so I'm
probably making it up.

I'm surprised to see so much support for the invasion, and will work on
a plan of action to achieve this invasion, that will keep those of you
happy that want to talk to each other in character, and swap
information, ideas and contacts, that won't cause the disruption and
flaming that Fro seems so scared is what I intend. It wasn't, but I
have a feeling that is what would have resulted from an in character
invasion. I am slightly disappointed by his mail, as he didn't discuss
any of the points that had been brought up in this list, but pointed out
my "invasion" suggestion alone, snipping the rest of the post. (hmmm
convenient choice of paraphrasing).

Thankyou all those who supported the idea. You will be remembered, and
if satisfaction is not guaranteed to the character chatters, an Invasion
may still be in the offing. I think initially any discussion of the
invasion will need to be done via E-Mail, as any planning done in this
list, will only give away our plans. Please feel free to email me if
you have any ideas regarding the "invasion", and what header you think
should be used so that we can all recognise each other. Either that, or
we can choose character names (I see some have already done so) :) and
work from there.

However, at this point I advise caution. :( Fro is "apparently" going
to rewrite the FAQ, and is awaiting suggestions for changes/improvements
etc. If he has been following my rantings he will already know what I
would like to see changed and clarified in the FAQ. If anyone else
here has any suggestions, please feel free to e-mail him. his address
is here on the list. I'm afraid I deleted his e0mail in a fit of pique
and no longer have the address to hand.

This caution and momentary pause is in no way a step down. I still feel
very strongly about the treatment some people have received at the hands
of a *few* Shadowtk bigots, most especially my player. OK she made a
mistake. She apoligised, and was nuked. I would like to state for the
record that her being attacked is *NOT* my reason for invading Shadowtk,
my reason is for the peace of mind of several people.

1) Those on this list who don't want to have to trawl through in
character posts that are irrelevent to their views of Shadowrn
discussion (although an *all rules area* would be soooo boring.)

2) As a nod to those on this list that have to pay for mail space, and
also don't want 50+ posts of irrelevant discussion.

3) To talk *in character* to other characters, to gain a view of the
world from their point of view, of their countries home towns/cities. I
live on the Isle of Wight, as many of you already know. I am never
likely to be able to travel to some of these exotic places mentioned in
FASA material, but there are people here, who *DO* live there, and would
be absolute mines of information to people like me. It *would* be nice
to know some real bars and clubs in cities and towns that the *maps*
don't give. I spent a long time on the net searching for material on
Seattle, finally finding a "virtual tour" at the Emerald Web, but there
are posters in here who live in Seattle, and could have saved me days of
searching, with a couple of posts.

4) A lot of the posters in Shadowrn, have voiced a certain amount of
displeasure at the way some of the more recent threads have developed.
We all know who are guilty of this, and yes I am one of the guilty. :(
The problem is I like to talk, I like meeting people, and I want to know
about where they live. But it would be more fun to do this *in
character* and share this learning process, than to privately discuss
things with people over e-mail, going to e-mail has been the death of
more than one list in the past. :(

When I first subscribed to Shadowrn in January, and re-subscribed in
April, I was warned by the FAQ that if I couldn't handle a "load" of
mail, it would be a *bad* idea to subscribe, but I don't recall many
occassions when I received more than 200 posts a week. Lately, I have
had this number per day. This is both good and bad. More people have
decloaked, more have joined the list, and it has got busier. I have
already got several plot ideas and NPCs for my game from the idle banter
in this list, more than I have got all year from Shadowtk, wihch has a
*very* low average of posts.

5) More than a few people have expressed resentment at in character
nattering in this list. I *can* sympathise with these people, unless
you are privvy to what started the chatter, it can look very confusing
and senseless. I appreciate that some of the conversations in here have
resulted in short and confusing posts, this is the main reason for
wanting to move to Shadowtk. But.... As For pointed out to me *in
character chatter* in any form is not allowed in Shadowtk, unless it is
a part of the ongoing plot line. :(

I think that about does me for the moment. If any of you have any
further views to this post, or things that you feel would be relevant to
in character posts or not to this list, please feel free to add to my
reasoning. And, let Fro know about it. He seems to be the guy in
control at the moment.

As regards Shadowtk...

See you there - soon. :)

Pete.
--
Pete Sims
Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 2
From: fro@***.ab.ca (Richard Jury)
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 01:07:46 -0600
At 02:55 10/10/96 +0100, Pete wrote:

>>>>Serious mode on<<<
>I just received a mail from some chap called Fro - apparently this is
>the gentleman responsible for updating the FAQ for this (and I assume)
>the other lists. He says that I'm not allowed to continue this
>discussion of Shadowtk Invasion, 'coz, it's dumb and that the list has
>an ongoing game, and we're not *allowed* to invade. :(

Go ahead and invade, but please, just don't talk about it here :\ This list
is busy enough as it is. I am not responsible for ShadowTK in the least, so
I have no say in the FAQ there, nor have I been a subscriber for awhile. I
resubscribed last night just to see what was going on, and it wasn't much.

>However, at this point I advise caution. :( Fro is "apparently" going
>to rewrite the FAQ, and is awaiting suggestions for changes/improvements
>etc. If he has been following my rantings he will already know what I
>would like to see changed and clarified in the FAQ. If anyone else
>here has any suggestions, please feel free to e-mail him. his address
>is here on the list. I'm afraid I deleted his e0mail in a fit of pique
>and no longer have the address to hand.

fro@***.ab.ca

>This caution and momentary pause is in no way a step down. I still feel
>very strongly about the treatment some people have received at the hands
>of a *few* Shadowtk bigots, most especially my player. OK she made a
>mistake. She apoligised, and was nuked. I would like to state for the
>record that her being attacked is *NOT* my reason for invading Shadowtk,
>my reason is for the peace of mind of several people.

>As regards Shadowtk...
>
>See you there - soon. :)

Must admit, it is a bit quiet on ShadowTK lately..have fun guys. That list
is not my responsibility, and neither is babysitting the content on this
list. So, I'm going to shut-up now.

Fro
Message no. 3
From: Marty <s457033@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:57:19 +1000 (EST)
> All we know is that there's still no contact with the colony and that a
> Xenomorph may be involved. ... [:-{
>
Nuke 'em from orbit... it's the only way to be sure.

*grin*
Message no. 4
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:19:44 +0100 (BST)
|>>>Serious mode on<<<
|I just received a mail from some chap called Fro - apparently this is
|the gentleman responsible for updating the FAQ for this (and I assume)
|the other lists. He says that I'm not allowed to continue this
|discussion of Shadowtk Invasion, 'coz, it's dumb and that the list has
|an ongoing game, and we're not *allowed* to invade. :(

Too late. Already Bull and I have begun.....
(Using Inferno. Bull really needs to remember to edit out his .sig though.)
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|Andrew Halliwell | "ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!!" |
|Principal subjects in:-| "THAT WOULD BE AN ECCLESIASTICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!!|
|Comp Sci & Electronics | - Father Jack in "Father Ted"
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Message no. 5
From: Edward Paul <doyle@******.edu>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 05:59:34 -1000
Fro is the moderator of ShadowTK? Hmmm I'll have to ask him about
that next time I see him on IRC (#shadowrun channel, at Undernet)

So, how do I join the ShadowTK list?

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E-Mail: doyle@******.edu
World Wide Web: http://www2.hawaii.edu/~doyle
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Message no. 6
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:29:28 -0600
Edward Paul wrote:
|
| So, how do I join the ShadowTK list?

Seeing as how we're now using a listserv instead of a
majordomo I have no idea. Follow Mark's instructions for
getting help from the new listserv.

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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Message no. 7
From: Steven Ratkovich <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:49:46 -0500
>
> Fro is the moderator of ShadowTK? Hmmm I'll have to ask him about
>that next time I see him on IRC (#shadowrun channel, at Undernet)
>
> So, how do I join the ShadowTK list?
>
No, Fro isn't... Mark Imbriaco (sp) is, I think...

Join by sending a message to: majordomo@********.itribe.net with no subject
line and "subscribe shadowtk" as the message, without the quotes, of course...

For all those joining the invasion, (and this is the last message from me on
it to the public list, I promise...:)), you may also want to join Plot-D,
which is for planning on ShadowTK... Join the same way but with subscribe
plotd as the message...:)



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-Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich
chaos@*****.com
Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?
****************************************************************************
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"I've got a bad feeling about this..."
-Just about everyone, in "Star Wars"
Message no. 8
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 01:12:50 +0100
In article <199610101849.NAA08760@***.ncweb.com>, Steven Ratkovich
<chaos@*****.COM> writes
>>
>> Fro is the moderator of ShadowTK? Hmmm I'll have to ask him about
>>that next time I see him on IRC (#shadowrun channel, at Undernet)
>>
>> So, how do I join the ShadowTK list?
>>
>No, Fro isn't... Mark Imbriaco (sp) is, I think...
>
>Join by sending a message to: majordomo@********.itribe.net with no subject
>line and "subscribe shadowtk" as the message, without the quotes, of
course...
>
Majordomo no longer works, the list providers have changed the list to
listserve-lite, so you must send the e-mail to
listserve@********.itribe.net
not
majordomo.

>For all those joining the invasion, (and this is the last message from me on
>it to the public list, I promise...:)), you may also want to join Plot-D,
>which is for planning on ShadowTK... Join the same way but with subscribe
>plotd as the message...:)

How on earth did you get on the list with a majordomo command Bull. :-?

Pete
--
Pete Sims
Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 9
From: Dvixen Vidi Vici <dvixen@****.SPYDERNET.COM>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:33:55 -0700
On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Edward Paul wrote:

> Fro is the moderator of ShadowTK? Hmmm I'll have to ask him about
> that next time I see him on IRC (#shadowrun channel, at Undernet)

I have heard the IRC referrd to a numebr of times now. Is it reachable
by telnet, (I am on a Linux machine, and DOS here at home.) ?

> So, how do I join the ShadowTK list?

Everything has just changed form a majordomo, to a listserve, so...

Mail:

listserv@********.itribe.net

No subject.

In body of message

subscribe shadowtk <your name or email address here>

And trim out your sig, if possible, it confuses the listserv hampsters.


--
AJ Schaafsma Dvixen@****.spydernet.com
This post in no way reflect the opinions of the myriad voices in my head.

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Message no. 10
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:50:35 +0100
In article <2.2.32.19961010070746.006ecf10@****.lis.ab.ca>, Richard Jury
<fro@***.ab.ca> writes

snip]
>Go ahead and invade, but please, just don't talk about it here :\ This list
>is busy enough as it is. I am not responsible for ShadowTK in the least, so
>I have no say in the FAQ there, nor have I been a subscriber for awhile. I
>resubscribed last night just to see what was going on, and it wasn't much.
In order to keep you and others happy I took this conversation to
private E-Mail at the same time as this post, So hopefully this thread
will end now :) Unfortunately the discussion came about as a natural
progression of finding out if anyone was interested and sounding out the
opposition. There's no point e going in there alone, it needs others to
become involved as well. There was considerable interest voiced over IC
discussions, and the invasion itself, so we are going to do it, but all
conversation regarding this invasion is now on E-Mail, in keeping with
this list, and not just random mumblings. :)

[snip]
>fro@***.ab.ca
That's it that's the address. Knew it would turn up again :)

>>This caution and momentary pause is in no way a step down. I still feel
>>very strongly about the treatment some people have received at the hands
>>of a *few* Shadowtk bigots, most especially my player. OK she made a
>>mistake. She apoligised, and was nuked. I would like to state for the
>>record that her being attacked is *NOT* my reason for invading Shadowtk,
>>my reason is for the peace of mind of several people.
>
>>As regards Shadowtk...
>>
>>See you there - soon. :)
>
>Must admit, it is a bit quiet on ShadowTK lately..have fun guys. That list
>is not my responsibility, and neither is babysitting the content on this
>list. So, I'm going to shut-up now.

OK, I'll expect total silence in this thread from now on - OK guys :) :)

Pete
--
Pete Sims
And when I shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars, and he will make
the face of heaven so fine, that all the world will be in love with night, and
pay no worship to the garish sun.
Message no. 11
From: A Halliwell <u5a77@**.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:16:25 +0100
|
|
| Fro is the moderator of ShadowTK? Hmmm I'll have to ask him about
|that next time I see him on IRC (#shadowrun channel, at Undernet)
|
| So, how do I join the ShadowTK list?

Use the same procedure you used for shadowrn, but type subscribe shadowtk in
the body text.....

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______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk | |
|Andrew Halliwell | "ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!!" |
|Principal subjects in:-| "THAT WOULD BE AN ECCLESIASTICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!!|
|Comp Sci & Electronics | - Father Jack in "Father Ted"
|
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|X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! >*SULK*<|
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Message no. 12
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 01:06:49 +0100
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961010175558.7975F-100000@*****.student.gu.edu
.au>, Marty <s457033@*******.gu.edu.au> writes
>> All we know is that there's still no contact with the colony and that a
>> Xenomorph may be involved. ... [:-{
>>
>Nuke 'em from orbit... it's the only way to be sure.

But it's a multi billion dollar investment, and represents a
considerable dollar value, he's only a grunt, he can't make that kind of
a decision. No offence intended.
>
>*grin*
>
<smirk>

Sorry - sits back for ritual clobering for being irrelevent again. :)

Pete

--
Pete Sims
Message no. 13
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 01:10:54 +0100
In article <Pine.GSO.3.93.961010055756.27991C-100000@*******>, Edward
Paul <doyle@******.edu> writes
>
> Fro is the moderator of ShadowTK? Hmmm I'll have to ask him about
>that next time I see him on IRC (#shadowrun channel, at Undernet)
>
> So, how do I join the ShadowTK list?
>
Actually I was wrong, because Fro claimed responsibility for the FAQ, I
mistakenly assumed that he was responsible also, for the Shadowtk FAQ, I
have been corrected.

To subscribe to Shadowtk, follow the following instructions:-

send email to
Listserve@********.itribe.net
header
Subscribe
Body
subscribe Shadowtk

(no other text, no sig)

You should receive confirmation within a short time.

See ya in the Shadows chummer.

Pete
--
Pete Sims
Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 14
From: "Mark A. Imbriaco" <mark@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:31:29 -0400
On Oct 11, 1:12am, Pete Sims wrote:
> Subject: Re: Invading Shadowtk - was Misery
> In article <199610101849.NAA08760@***.ncweb.com>, Steven Ratkovich
> <chaos@*****.COM> writes
> >>
> >> Fro is the moderator of ShadowTK? Hmmm I'll have to ask him about
> >>that next time I see him on IRC (#shadowrun channel, at Undernet)
> >>
> >> So, how do I join the ShadowTK list?
> >>
> >No, Fro isn't... Mark Imbriaco (sp) is, I think...

Exactly right.

> >Join by sending a message to: majordomo@********.itribe.net with no subject
> >line and "subscribe shadowtk" as the message, without the quotes, of
course...
> >
> Majordomo no longer works, the list providers have changed the list to
> listserve-lite, so you must send the e-mail to
> listserve@********.itribe.net
> not
> majordomo.

Close, but take the 'e' off of the end of 'listserv'.

> >For all those joining the invasion, (and this is the last message from me on
> >it to the public list, I promise...:)), you may also want to join Plot-D,
> >which is for planning on ShadowTK... Join the same way but with subscribe
> >plotd as the message...:)

You _definitely_ want to join Plot-D first .. and make sure that
you read the FAQ. I'm not very merciful about deletions for people
who break the posting format. :-)

> How on earth did you get on the list with a majordomo command Bull. :-?

I cheated. I set the majordomo@********.itribe.net address to
forward to listserv@********.itribe.net for a while, so we won't
completely lose people who try the old method.

-Mark

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