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Message no. 1
From: "S.F. Eley" <gt6877c@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:39:00 -0400
Robert Watkins writes:
> S.F. Eley wrote:
> > (Personally, I believe in Invisible Pink Unicorns, but that's a different
> > story entirely...)
>
> I've always had a problem with this one... how do you know they're pink? A
> friend of mine swears they're really blue.

Your friend is either a blasphemer, or mistaken. He's probably thinking
about Smurfs.


Like most religions, that of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both
logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink. We logically know they
are invisible, because we can't see them.

How can they be invisible and pink at the same time? Because they are
beings of great spiritual power. Too simplistic? Well, that's religion.


I have much, much more I could say about them, but this is about as
off-topic as I dare tread. (Unless of course someone wanted to use
Invisible Pink Unicorns as a totem. Which I DON'T recommend.)


ObSmilie:
>8->


Blessings,

_TNX._

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Message no. 2
From: Mika Nikolic <MNik@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:49:41 -0400
In a message dated 95-09-14 21:41:03 EDT, you write:

>Robert Watkins writes:
>> S.F. Eley wrote:
>> > (Personally, I believe in Invisible Pink Unicorns, but that's a
different
>> > story entirely...)
>>
>> I've always had a problem with this one... how do you know they're pink? A
>> friend of mine swears they're really blue.
>
>Your friend is either a blasphemer, or mistaken. He's probably thinking
>about Smurfs.

well let's see if they are INVISIBLE as you claim then noone can see them so
they have no color.
Message no. 3
From: Eve Forward <lutra@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:51:33 -0700
>>>I have much, much more I could say about them, but this is about as
off-topic as I dare tread. (Unless of course someone wanted to use
Invisible Pink Unicorns as a totem. Which I DON'T recommend.)
<<<<

Well, why not? If each person creates their own magical worldview,
and worshipping Raven is as valid as worshipping the Sea or some
nasty Aztec deity, then why not worship IPU's? Why not worship
a ferret named Srendi Vashtar? Why not worship Allah? Why not
worship my coffee mug with the obscure 2-bears Xmas scene?
In the words of Ford Prefect, "Why not go mad?"

But seriously... could a character with magical potential just
come up with something to follow and belive in, and be a shaman
that way, or would they be a hermetic with funky beliefs?

-E\
Message no. 4
From: Eve Forward <lutra@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:04:09 -0700
>>
>Robert Watkins writes:
>> S.F. Eley wrote:
>> > (Personally, I believe in Invisible Pink Unicorns, but that's a
different
>> > story entirely...)
>>
>> I've always had a problem with this one... how do you know they're pink? A
>> friend of mine swears they're really blue.
>
>Your friend is either a blasphemer, or mistaken. He's probably thinking
>about Smurfs.

well let's see if they are INVISIBLE as you claim then noone can see them so
they have no color.
<<

"It doesn't really have color.... just mass, spin, and charge."
-Adam Getchell, in a game he was GM'ing
Message no. 5
From: "Gary L. Kelley" <gkelley@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 01:42:07 -0500
>Well, why not? If each person creates their own magical worldview,
>and worshipping Raven is as valid as worshipping the Sea or some
>nasty Aztec deity, then why not worship IPU's? Why not worship
>a ferret named Srendi Vashtar? Why not worship Allah? Why not
>worship my coffee mug with the obscure 2-bears Xmas scene?
>In the words of Ford Prefect, "Why not go mad?"
Why not after all what is SANE?

the very pilosopical (not to mention off topic)

Kevin R. Kelley
Message no. 6
From: "Gary L. Kelley" <gkelley@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 01:47:05 -0500
>well let's see if they are INVISIBLE as you claim then noone can see them so
>they have no color.
><<
>
>"It doesn't really have color.... just mass, spin, and charge."
> -Adam Getchell, in a game he was GM'ing
>
>

Hey your talking about atoms arent you

Again the very off topic
Kevin R. Kelley

"If one`s actsare motivated by
profit, he will have many enemies."
-Confucius 'Analects'4:12
Message no. 7
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:53:35 +0930
Mika Nikolic wrote:
>
> >> I've always had a problem with this one... how do you know they're pink? A
> >> friend of mine swears they're really blue.
> >
> >Your friend is either a blasphemer, or mistaken. He's probably thinking
> >about Smurfs.
>
> well let's see if they are INVISIBLE as you claim then noone can see them so
> they have no color.

*casts around for a See Invisible Spell... oops, that's **&* *
Well, if you're magically active, you'd could see them by perceiving... and
you'd see the colour that way.

--
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are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
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Message no. 8
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:55:57 +0930
Gary L. Kelley wrote:
>
> >
> >"It doesn't really have color.... just mass, spin, and charge."
> > -Adam Getchell, in a game he was GM'ing
>
> Hey your talking about atoms arent you
>

Knowing Adam, he's more likely to be talking about quarks, some varieties
of which are named after colours, and one of which, if my very stretched
memory is correct, is even pink.

Oh, and no-one's ever seen a quark, either.

--
Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
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are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:58:38 +0200
>"It doesn't really have color.... just mass, spin, and charge."
> -Adam Getchell, in a game he was GM'ing

I didn't know he was one of my teachers in school :)

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Message no. 10
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:58:41 +0200
>*casts around for a See Invisible Spell... oops, that's **&* *

Just an idea:

SEE THROUGH INVISIBILITY (Detection)
This spell reduces the target number to spot anyone or anything concealed by
an Invisibility spell or similar magical effect in the area of effect, by
the number of successes rolled on the Spell Success Test. The target number
for this spell is equal to the Force of the Invisibility spell. This spell
has a Restricted Target: things concealed by Invisibility spells.
Type: Mana
Range: Limited
Target: Force
Duration: Sustained
Drain: [(F/2)-1]M

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Message no. 11
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:40:33 +0930
Gurth wrote:
>
> Just an idea:
>
> SEE THROUGH INVISIBILITY (Detection)
> This spell reduces the target number to spot anyone or anything concealed by
> an Invisibility spell or similar magical effect in the area of effect, by
> the number of successes rolled on the Spell Success Test. The target number
> for this spell is equal to the Force of the Invisibility spell. This spell
> has a Restricted Target: things concealed by Invisibility spells.

Hmm... nice. :) I'd generalise it though... a "See Through Illusion" spell,
so you can get around things like Incubi as well. (Not a Dispell
Illusion... you'd still see it, but you'd also see the thing it's hiding.
So no, it wouldn't get around Chaotic World.)

Change Restricted Target to general target (it's still restricted, to
Illusion spells, but that's kind of broad), and you got it. :)

--
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Message no. 12
From: Eve Forward <lutra@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 06:39:06 -0700
>>>well let's see if they are INVISIBLE as you claim then noone can see them so
>they have no color.
><<
>
>"It doesn't really have color.... just mass, spin, and charge."
> -Adam Getchell, in a game he was GM'ing
>
>

Hey your talking about atoms arent you<<<

Actually this was regarding a Kerr space warp. Needless to say, this
wasn't a Shadowrun game...

-E
Message no. 13
From: Nathan Walker <NTWALKER@******.SUNYGENESEE.CC.NY.US>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:00:14 -0400
>>Robert Watkins writes:
>>> S.F. Eley wrote:
>>> > (Personally, I believe in Invisible Pink Unicorns, but that's a
>different
>>> > story entirely...)
>>>
>>> I've always had a problem with this one... how do you know they're pink? A
>>> friend of mine swears they're really blue.
>>
>>Your friend is either a blasphemer, or mistaken. He's probably thinking
>>about Smurfs.
>
>well let's see if they are INVISIBLE as you claim then noone can see them so
>they have no color.

The Unicorns are pink, okay? The pygmies that sometimes ride them are blue.

(Sorry, it had to be done.)

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Message no. 14
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:43:13 +0200
> Well, why not? If each person creates their own magical worldview,
> and worshipping Raven is as valid as worshipping the Sea or some
> nasty Aztec deity, then why not worship IPU's? Why not worship
> a ferret named Srendi Vashtar? Why not worship Allah? Why not
> worship my coffee mug with the obscure 2-bears Xmas scene?
> In the words of Ford Prefect, "Why not go mad?"
>
> But seriously... could a character with magical potential just
> come up with something to follow and belive in, and be a shaman
> that way, or would they be a hermetic with funky beliefs?

Acording to "The book we dare not mention ... (Gurth can you please
fill the rest in :) .. or else FASA will kick our butts" yes. FASA
even gives an example of a shaman serial killer that has created
a totally new theology/world view based on some cheap fiction he
read as a kid.
Due to that non-standard world view the charcter was able to make some
really weird stuff that "normal" magicians consider impossible (and
thus mental-block themselves from doing them - thats WYTIWYG for ya).

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Message no. 15
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:51:04 +0200
> Just an idea:
>
> SEE THROUGH INVISIBILITY (Detection)

Good idea, but has only meaning if you are a sorcerer adept. Plain old
perception would give you much more and it costs no drain. OTOH perception
makes you vulnerable to the astral. Hmmm that spell maybe better than I
thought.

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Message no. 16
From: Kelly Martin <kelly@*******.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:45:16 EST5
"Mika" == Mika Nikolic <MNik@***.COM> writes:

Mika> well let's see if they are INVISIBLE as you claim then noone can
Mika> see them so they have no color.

they have pink auras.

k.
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When Elvis Presley died in 1977, there were 37 Elvis impersonators in the
world. Today there are 48,000. If the current trend continues, by the year
2010, one of every three people in the world will be an Elvis impersonator.
-- Michael Legault
Message no. 17
From: Kelly Martin <kelly@*******.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:08:28 EST5
"Eve" == Eve Forward <lutra@******.COM> writes:

Eve> But seriously... could a character with magical potential just
Eve> come up with something to follow and belive in, and be a shaman
Eve> that way, or would they be a hermetic with funky beliefs?

shamanism is an art as much as a belief. without the art, he's not a
shaman. if he casts magic in a hermetic way, he's a hermetic, even if
he does happen to worship a totem.

recall that Sam believed in the christian god, yet was a Dog shaman.
religious belief seems to be somewhat independent of shamanistic
identification.

k.
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kelly martin <kelly@*******.bloomington.in.us>

When Elvis Presley died in 1977, there were 37 Elvis impersonators in the
world. Today there are 48,000. If the current trend continues, by the year
2010, one of every three people in the world will be an Elvis impersonator.
-- Michael Legault
Message no. 18
From: Christopher Maley <cmaley@******.LINFIELD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:21:46 -0700
On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Kelly Martin wrote:
> shamanism is an art as much as a belief. without the art, he's not a
> shaman. if he casts magic in a hermetic way, he's a hermetic, even if
> he does happen to worship a totem.
>
> recall that Sam believed in the christian god, yet was a Dog shaman.
> religious belief seems to be somewhat independent of shamanistic
> identification.
>
> k.
> --
> kelly martin <kelly@*******.bloomington.in.us>

I agree. I have a friend here at college who's dad is a shaman for the
Grand Rhonde nation. Being a shadowrun G.M. I grilled her with tons of
questions to try and get a better grasp on what shamanism is.

Now this is in today's terms so I don't know how ell it will
relate to the world of Shadowrun, but here I go. She said that Shamanism
can be a religion, a form of animism, but more often than not it is used
as a way to keep traditions, and a way to better deal with, and understand
life. Her father makes some of his money by teaching others rituals of
concentration, and celebration, and by holding sweat lodges to get in
better contact with one's self. That sounds sort of eastern I know but
that's what she told me. She also siad that the most common (meaning
refered to) totems are Bear, Raven, Coyote, and Wolf. People can follow
the former three, but it takes a great, and wonderful person to be
honored by Wolf.

Don't know if that helps, but I thought it might be relevant.
Thanx,
C.M.
Message no. 19
From: Cukoo <cukoo@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:32:05 -0700
>On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Kelly Martin wrote:
>> shamanism is an art as much as a belief. without the art, he's not a
>> shaman. if he casts magic in a hermetic way, he's a hermetic, even if
>> he does happen to worship a totem.
>>
>> recall that Sam believed in the christian god, yet was a Dog shaman.
>> religious belief seems to be somewhat independent of shamanistic
>> identification.
>>
>> k.
>> --
>> kelly martin
<kelly@*******.bloomington.in.us>
>
>I agree. I have a friend here at college who's dad is a shaman for the
>Grand Rhonde nation. Being a shadowrun G.M. I grilled her with tons of
>questions to try and get a better grasp on what shamanism is.
>
> Now this is in today's terms so I don't know how ell it will
>relate to the world of Shadowrun, but here I go. She said that Shamanism
>can be a religion, a form of animism, but more often than not it is used
>as a way to keep traditions, and a way to better deal with, and understand
>life. Her father makes some of his money by teaching others rituals of
>concentration, and celebration, and by holding sweat lodges to get in
>better contact with one's self. That sounds sort of eastern I know but
>that's what she told me. She also siad that the most common (meaning
>refered to) totems are Bear, Raven, Coyote, and Wolf. People can follow
>the former three, but it takes a great, and wonderful person to be
>honored by Wolf.
>
Being of first hand experience, perhaps you would be interested in writing
up a more detailed account of shamanism, there are many out there (myself
included) who have a difficult time getting a grasp on it. More detail on
the Native American rituals and customs would be nice too.
Message no. 20
From: Christopher Maley <cmaley@******.LINFIELD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 19:56:12 -0700
> Being of first hand experience, perhaps you would be interested in writing
> up a more detailed account of shamanism, there are many out there (myself
> included) who have a difficult time getting a grasp on it. More detail on
> the Native American rituals and customs would be nice too.
>
I could describe the process of a sweat lodge (according to the Navajo
Nation, others might be different.) and i could elaborate on the various
(modern day) attitudes towards different totems, and what they mean to
individuals. Would people be interested in that? If so would I post it on
this? I'm not sure my knowledgs is enough to take up a lot of space.

C.M.
Message no. 21
From: Cukoo <cukoo@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 23:01:41 -0700
>> Being of first hand experience, perhaps you would be interested in writing
>> up a more detailed account of shamanism, there are many out there (myself
>> included) who have a difficult time getting a grasp on it. More detail on
>> the Native American rituals and customs would be nice too.
>>
>I could describe the process of a sweat lodge (according to the Navajo
>Nation, others might be different.) and i could elaborate on the various
>(modern day) attitudes towards different totems, and what they mean to
>individuals. Would people be interested in that? If so would I post it on
>this? I'm not sure my knowledgs is enough to take up a lot of space.
>
I for one have a very difficult time imagining Native American culture
modernized, even in a real tense (I have no Amerindian blood in me), the
most vivid images I can conjure of native american culture are like some
sick cowboys and indians movie. As for the totems, I have gathered from
postings here that there are a wide variety of views, most of which are
probably based more on SR liturature than any basis in fact at all (myself
included).
Message no. 22
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@****.INFORMATIK.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 13:41:47 +0200
Christopher Maley wrote:
> I could describe the process of a sweat lodge (according to the Navajo
> Nation, others might be different.) and i could elaborate on the various
> (modern day) attitudes towards different totems, and what they mean to
> individuals. Would people be interested in that? If so would I post it on
> this? I'm not sure my knowledgs is enough to take up a lot of space.
I cannot speak for others, but I for one am _very_ interested. Please post,
so I can use that knowledge in my game!

Sascha
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Message no. 23
From: Kelly Martin <kelly@*******.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:13:00 EST5
"Cukoo" == Cukoo <cukoo@*****.NET> writes:

Cukoo> Being of first hand experience, perhaps you would be interested
Cukoo> in writing up a more detailed account of shamanism, there are
Cukoo> many out there (myself included) who have a difficult time
Cukoo> getting a grasp on it. More detail on the Native American
Cukoo> rituals and customs would be nice too.

find and read some books on the topic. first suggestion is _The Way
of the Shaman_, which i have in my library but can't seem to find just
now.

related texts which may be useful: Bates, Brian: _The Way of the Wyrd_
(which covers both shamanism and hermeticism); Cunningham, Scott:
_Wicca for the Solitary Practitioner_ (which Wicca is not precisely
either shamanism or hermeticism, it's a good basic work on modern
witchcraft, which is related).

the art of shamanism is not conducive to being described on paper.
the best way to learn about it is to find a shaman, participate in
some of his/her rituals, and (if possible) become one yourself. i
have done the first two; i am not suited for the third (were today
2050, i'd clearly be a hermetic initiate).

k.
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I could tell by his slurred speech, the heavy glaze over his eyes,
and his inability to stand straight that he was under the influence
of a powerful narcotic. That, or he was a graduate student.
Message no. 24
From: Kelly Martin <kelly@*******.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>
Subject: Re: Invisible Pink Unicorns
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:27:46 EST5
"Cukoo" == Cukoo <cukoo@*****.NET> writes:

Cukoo> I for one have a very difficult time imagining Native American
Cukoo> culture modernized, even in a real tense (I have no Amerindian
Cukoo> blood in me), the most vivid images I can conjure of native
Cukoo> american culture are like some sick cowboys and indians movie.
Cukoo> As for the totems, I have gathered from postings here that
Cukoo> there are a wide variety of views, most of which are probably
Cukoo> based more on SR liturature than any basis in fact at all
Cukoo> (myself included).

for a literary look at the Lakota, try _Tonweya and the Eagles_, by
Rosebud Yellow Rose.

avoid anything by Jean Fritz (who is an incompetent researcher) and
Jamake Highwater (who is a liar).

k.
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ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.
One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless and yet
be determined to make them otherwise. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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