| From: | K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM> |
|---|---|
| Subject: | Involvements (Public Stage) |
| Date: | Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:31:10 EDT |
beyond it, I will merely say (to paraphrase (as I removed the email) another
who I will not name this time), "it's time he was brought down a step as the
list allows this to continue").
Buffer Space (this ain't a spoiler)
In a message dated 8/4/1998 12:50:48 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
erikj@****.COM writes:
> And don't dare, by bringing others into this, try and make this anything
> like and me vs. them or otherwise divide the list. This is between you and
> I, Keith. Don't involve others.
>
> Erik J.
>
I am ending the conversation on the list in this manner to this one statement.
I didn't push the button by involving others. You made the connections
between Mike, I and Jon for that matter, so very long ago. You made the
connections with Mike and I, and Rob, and "da'Minotaur" for that matter a long
time ago. You made the assumptions based on the limiting of the knowledge,
you say as much in your own reply here (yes, I snipped it). I stated other
names, because I am pointing out the "finger directions" were lain out long
before I did them.
Just once Erik, once ever for all I care, reconsider that you may be
incomplete, not even incorrect, in your assumptions about us. You don't need
to consider that the balance of power is effectual. The laughing joke I have
is the "Binder" is the one magician who is the -least- of the power, I just
play him the smartest (IMO). His spell forces are the more balanced (most are
not higher than a 5-6 at the most, with only two at 8). It is from this
recent resurge of gaming with the "proposed" SR3 rules that I am drawing
experience.
Magic did NOT need capped at the knees, the people running it did. I am not
ever going to say that people have to relate with it better, that wouldn't
work, as even those people that claim to have studied -anything- related to
the Paranormal could not to anyone's known knowledge claim to have tossed a
physically manifesting magical formulae in action.
The balance has always been ultimately in the hands of the GM and the Players
in their gaming/adventure interaction. FASA's rules are rules and guidelines.
That is how they have been, that is how they will remain. Their system of
magic, at least before the upcoming SR3, was usable and flexible enough that
you could do a lot with it, and still not rival the other major game systems
(I have yet to see a spell in SR, that IMO would rival a 6th or 7th level
Wizard/Magic User spell from AD&D). And anything that does is either a House
Rule (and yes, we do have a few) or Ritual Magic (to which the clarifications
merely need put forward).
Erik, this "between you and I" thing is going to happen because it was allowed
to happen so long ago in a place that I will never go back to. And I'm not
the only one who won't, nor will I stop anyone else from doing joining. You
stated the "well I know more, this is how it should happen" way back then, and
you continue to do so. You claimed more knowledge than I or anyone else on a
number of matters that are pure game speculation, and even I admit to such. I
admitted my wrong doing, and backed out so as to allow the situation to
diminish appropriately. But you carry the tempermentality of it as much as I
can.
You are someone that I -KNOW- is not stupid. You are someone that -KNOW- is
not ignorant. BUT, you are stubborn, and you are pigheaded, so be it. I can,
and do, accept that fact. You like to be right as much as the next guy. It's
just that in this one place, none of us can ever be "completely right",
because it's not a truly tactile place to put a fact with.
You don't know the loopholes we've found, and I doubt we know all of the one's
you have found yourself. You don't know the distances we've walked in this
game, and we can't know the distances you have done so. I do know that I have
catalogued almost 3,000 hours of SR games alone that involved "Binder" is some
manner or shape. Yes, that is a lot. It may or may not be more than anyone
else. And he's NOT the only character I've ever had in SR. Yes, I did, and
some would say still, do play heavily. I like to play, as much as the next
gaming "fanatic" might. I don't play lots of other games anymore, because I
also, like you, have to make a living of some kind, for myself.
You are a strong-personality individual, one that in all honesty I would
greatly enjoying meeting in person. You have determination and self-worth,
those are incredible qualities to have as an individual.
But they are strong enough to overshadow your output placed forward. They so
heavily color your postings, that you consistently "speak" in a manner that is
belittling of people. I am not the only reader noticing this, and I truly do
believe that you realize this yourself. You have mentioned such in your
personal postings to me.
Gods, how can I say this. I do NOT hate you or your ideas. So many of them
are so really good that I would find it impossible to hate you actually. But,
and I am sure you could possiblly agree with me, you can be, and it is so much
a part of your second nature, that you must "argue" points that you firmly
believe are correct, without understanding that they may be correct in your
situation, that they are NOT correct in a situation other than your own.
This "Camo" topic is but one example, and I am certain there will be more
examples in the future to come.
Erik, last night I was angry, ask Nexx, Pantherr, Dvixen or anyone else that I
spoke directly (as directly as IRC or IM can get anyway) with. But that anger
passed, and I can look past it now and will continue to do so. I don't even
need a way to physically vent my frustrations. I just need the time itself.
We all do what we must.
In the future, I request, that you consider MUCH more so than you do now, how
you word things and how you are going to refer or confer a reputation upon,
anyone's material you are going to post towards. Yes, I do see you as
annoying quite often, but I am not everyone, and I know that there are people
on this list and others, that find your opinions "of a kindred spirit" so to
speak. I promised Dvixen and Adam directly that I would do my damndest to
behave. I will uphold that promise. If I can't, then I will personally hand
over "the Red Button" to Dvixen, and wire it straight to me alone.
EOD
=K
