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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Thu Mar 7 22:00:01 2002
Sebastian Wiers writes:

> I always figured IQ's for even very smart people were lower than that, like
> around 140-150, with 160+ being really rare. I dunno, I'm sure somebody can
> describe the bell curve deviations in a second. But I'd expect the scale
> there to run up to a "10" representing people who are 1-in-a-million
> briliant. 10 is actually possible for unmodified humans in SR, its just
> gonna be damn rare. I think the whole scale is also maybe 10 points high-
> many people with a 90 IQ are what would pass for "average" on the street,
> and an attributte score of 4 doesn't really indacate ability that is much
> above average.

Rolling 4 dice as against rolling 3 is a 33% boost to your dice...

Dice TN % Chance of 1 Success
---- -- ---------------------
3 4 87.5
4 4 93.75

So at average tasks (TN 4), a SR character with Intelligence 3 or 4 would
perform about the same.

Dice TN % Chance of 1 Success
---- -- ---------------------
3 6 42.13
4 6 51.77

Whereas at difficult tasks (TN 6), a character with Intelligence 4 has a
decided edge.

I'm not sure if this would accurately represent the difference between
someone with IQ 100 and IQ 120, of course. <has a quick surf> As a side
note, a web page I just surfed to reckoned that an IQ of 120 or greater
represented about the top 10% of the population.

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Damion Milliken University of Wollongong
Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: dam01@***.edu.au
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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 01:00:01 2002
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:57:43 +1100 Damion Milliken <dam01@***.edu.au>
writes:
<SNIP>
> As a
> side
> note, a web page I just surfed to reckoned that an IQ of 120 or
> greater
> represented about the top 10% of the population.

Wow. I thought it was more common than that... well, I guess 1 in 10 is
fairly common.

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Justin Bell)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 01:25:01 2002
At 11:56 PM 3/7/2002 -0600, dghost@****.com wrote:
>On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:57:43 +1100 Damion Milliken <dam01@***.edu.au>
>writes:
><SNIP>
> > As a
> > side
> > note, a web page I just surfed to reckoned that an IQ of 120 or
> > greater
> > represented about the top 10% of the population.
>
>Wow. I thought it was more common than that... well, I guess 1 in 10 is
>fairly common.

IQ scores can vary widely from test to test
i.e. what is 120 on one test is 140 on another
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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Mikko V. I. Parviainen)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 04:15:05 2002
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Damion Milliken wrote:
> someone with IQ 100 and IQ 120, of course. <has a quick surf> As a side
> note, a web page I just surfed to reckoned that an IQ of 120 or greater
> represented about the top 10% of the population.

Of course, different IQ tests have different scores. Get an elementary
book on statistics, and look up 'variance'.

(Never took a test, so my intelligence is a bit hard to put in SR terms.
I'll try to find time to write myself as a character sometime in the near
future. B-)

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 05:05:00 2002
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:11:41 +0200 (EET) "Mikko V. I. Parviainen"
<mvparvia@**.hut.fi> writes:
<SNIP>
> (Never took a test, so my intelligence is a bit hard to put in SR
> terms.
> I'll try to find time to write myself as a character sometime in the
> near
> future. B-)

For my Int stat I took two online tests:
www.iqtest.com
www.intelligencetest.com
I got 149 and 147 respectively :)

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Mikko V. I. Parviainen)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 07:05:01 2002
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 dghost@****.com wrote:
> > (Never took a test, so my intelligence is a bit hard to put in SR
> > terms.
> > I'll try to find time to write myself as a character sometime in the
> > near
> > future. B-)
> For my Int stat I took two online tests:
> www.iqtest.com
> www.intelligencetest.com
> I got 149 and 147 respectively :)

These are quite not-controlled, so that could mean anything. B-)

(Well, yes, I took one test something like 8 years ago, just woken up on a
Sunday morning. Got over 160... And that had language parts, in English,
which is a foreign language to me, then more than now.)

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (lance dillon)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 07:55:01 2002
>
> I'm not sure if this would accurately represent the difference between
> someone with IQ 100 and IQ 120, of course. <has a quick surf> As a side
> note, a web page I just surfed to reckoned that an IQ of 120 or greater
> represented about the top 10% of the population.
>
> --
> Damion Milliken

I read once that >0 is top 2%, and >0 is top .4%
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 09:10:01 2002
>From: lance dillon <riffraff@***.net>
>I read once that >0 is top 2%, and >0 is top .4%


Nah, 2% of the world's population (approximately) have an IQ of 140 or
greater. The other side of the coin is that 2% of the worlds population have
IQs of less than 60.

An IQ of 100 is set as the global average (which means that it is possible
for particular countries to have lower or higher averages). This is because
IQ is (calculated as) the relationship between mental age and physical age,
therefore an average person will always have an IQ of 100 ie will have a
mental age exactly equal to their physical age. What the expected level of
"intelligence" is for any particular age does change however, for example
1000 years ago only monks and scribes were expected to be able to read or
write. A written IQ test given then would have been pointless, now children
are taught to read and write at an early age and vocabulary is a good
indication of mental age.

Yes the thing that an IQ test really tests is a subject's ability to
correctly fill in an IQ test but assuming the subject has no prior knowlege
it also provides a reasonable indication on "Intelligence" or learning
potential (although learning is more accurate.

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Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Meph)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 12:50:01 2002
> Wow. I thought it was more common than that... well, I guess 1 in 10 is
> fairly common.


Well, a lot of you out there are FAR more hip on your stats than I.
But I remember that 140 was two standard deviations from the normal in the
stardard IQ test. That's why genius starts there.

Meph
Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Meph)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 12:50:05 2002
> IQ scores can vary widely from test to test
> i.e. what is 120 on one test is 140 on another

Are you referring to the Standford-Bennet test? Because it is less
variable than that, although tests scores can change over time.

Meph
Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Meph)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 13:10:05 2002
> > I'm not sure if this would accurately represent the difference between
> > someone with IQ 100 and IQ 120, of course. <has a quick surf> As a side
> > note, a web page I just surfed to reckoned that an IQ of 120 or greater
> > represented about the top 10% of the population.
> >
> > --
> > Damion Milliken
>
> I read once that >0 is top 2%, and >0 is top .4%


Again...you have to be really careful because score ranges depend on
the type of tests...there are a plethora of IQ tests out there....each is
WAAYYY different!

Meph
Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Meph)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 13:15:02 2002
> An IQ of 100 is set as the global average (which means that it is possible
> for particular countries to have lower or higher averages). This is
because
> IQ is (calculated as) the relationship between mental age and physical
age,
> therefore an average person will always have an IQ of 100 ie will have a
> mental age exactly equal to their physical age. What the expected level of
> "intelligence" is for any particular age does change however, for example
> 1000 years ago only monks and scribes were expected to be able to read or
> write. A written IQ test given then would have been pointless, now
children
> are taught to read and write at an early age and vocabulary is a good
> indication of mental age.


I don't recall the Mental Age aspect of the S-B test. Which IQ
test are you talking about?

Meph
Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Justin Bell)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 17:05:02 2002
At 09:46 AM 3/8/2002 -0800, Meph wrote:
> > IQ scores can vary widely from test to test
> > i.e. what is 120 on one test is 140 on another
>
> Are you referring to the Standford-Bennet test? Because it is less
>variable than that, although tests scores can change over time.

No, I am referring to the myriad of IQ tests out there
--
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justin@******.net
Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Meph)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 19:10:01 2002
> > Are you referring to the Standford-Bennet test? Because it is less
> >variable than that, although tests scores can change over time.
>
> No, I am referring to the myriad of IQ tests out there


Well...the scale changes....so of course your score will change! :>

Meph
Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bryan Pow)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Fri Mar 8 22:30:03 2002
I saw on a news show,(Might have been the Guiness World Records) the guy who
has the highest recored IQ score in the world. Guess what his job is...


He's a Bouncer in an English Pub.

Wierd huh, but oh so cool. Imagine trying to get past this guy if you were
under age.

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Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Christian Casavant)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Sat Mar 9 10:20:00 2002
> I saw on a news show,(Might have been the Guiness World Records) the guy
> who has the highest recored IQ score in the world. Guess what his job is...
>
>
> He's a Bouncer in an English Pub.
>
> Wierd huh, but oh so cool. Imagine trying to get past this guy if you
> were under age.


I imagine you'ld bribe him, like everyone else. Oh right, they call it
a cover charge, silly me.

Me.
Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject: IQ vs SR Intelligence (was: Yourself as a contact)
Date: Mon Mar 11 05:35:01 2002
>From: "Meph" <meph@*********.net>
> I don't recall the Mental Age aspect of the S-B test. Which
>IQ
>test are you talking about?

I don't remember, it's been about ten years since I did my Psychology, I
just remember that the test we looked at was designed to measure your mental
age you then divided that by your physical age and converted it into a
percentage (therefore if mental age = physical age, ratio = 1, IQ = 100). If
my psych books weren't all packed for my house move I'd check them but I
don't even know which of the half dozen of so boxes of books they're in.


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