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Message no. 1
From: Wyrmy The powerful <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: Its that time of the year....
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:16:46 -0500
Well for the newbies,I Wil tell you what this is about.Every coupla
months I ask what everyones favorite totem is(just because I'm curious
liek that).This time you can include necro totems, druidic, etc. But if
it's not in grimmy or Awakenings, list its stats(I might want to use
it).Well I'll start this off.
This times favorite totem is:
<Drumroll>
Bear!
Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
<Drumroll>
Whats yours?
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Message no. 2
From: Colossus <colossus@***********.NET>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:15:27 -0400
Wyrmy The powerful wrote:

> Bear!
> Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!

I agree.
Though I am partial to Sun.
Message no. 3
From: NEWSHADOW <NEWSHADOW@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:42:15 EDT
In a message dated 98-04-27 22:11:59 EDT, you write:

> Bear!
> Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!

I'm going to have to say wolf.
I like the leader and protector of the pack thing.

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Message no. 4
From: Philippe Garneau <aaa302@*****.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:51:21 -0400
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Wyrmy The powerful <elfman@*****.NET>
À : SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date : 27 avril, 1998 22:12
Objet : Its that time of the year....


>Well for the newbies,I Wil tell you what this is about.Every coupla
>months I ask what everyones favorite totem is(just because I'm curious
>liek that).This time you can include necro totems, druidic, etc. But if
>it's not in grimmy or Awakenings, list its stats(I might want to use
>it).Well I'll start this off.
>This times favorite totem is:
><Drumroll>
>Bear!
>Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
><Drumroll>
>Whats yours?
>--


Well, my favorite is Bear too, but i really like Cat too. Owl would be in
the third place.
Message no. 5
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:58:25 -0500
----------
> From: Wyrmy The powerful <elfman@*****.NET>

> This times favorite totem is:
> <Drumroll>
> Bear!
> Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
> <Drumroll>
> Whats yours?

Depends on what sort of character I wish to play <g>. I've played Bear,
Coyote, and Moon. I don't really have a favorite totem, but I've had a
few I've wanted to play...
Message no. 6
From: Panther <qmilton@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:18:39 +0000
> >This times favorite totem is:
> ><Drumroll>
> >Bear!
> >Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
> ><Drumroll>
> >Whats yours?

Why, Cat, of course <cg>

Panther
Message no. 7
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:54:28 PDT
>Well for the newbies,I Wil tell you what this is about.Every coupla
>months I ask what everyones favorite totem is(just because I'm curious
>liek that).

I don't have a favorite per sae... I like Coyote because you can do
anything with it(e.g. "It's like bobbin for water- ya can't miss").
I did have a short-lived Wolverine Shaman that I really enjoyed
playing.
And I have a Rat Shaman Adept who I am writing a story around(her
character template is basically Ally Sheedy's (is that her name?)
character is "The Breakfast Club"). Mind you, I said "template", so
no
"your a copy cat" flames please :)
Many of the aspects of the afformentioned totems I really like. But,
I think I can find the good in playing just about any totem(that's not
insect or toxic, that is).


-Vagabond
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Message no. 8
From: Jessica Grota <grota@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 03:21:31 -0400
Nexx wrote:
>
> ----------
> > From: Wyrmy The powerful <elfman@*****.NET>
>
> > This times favorite totem is:
> > <Drumroll>
> > Bear!
> > Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
> > <Drumroll>
> > Whats yours?

Raccoon can be fun...My characters tend to follow offbeat totems. I have
a Nagual Shaman (jett: Nagual is a south american spirit totem that
takes the form of a large black jaguar) and a Badger shamaness.

--Jett
Message no. 9
From: "Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:49:31 +0000
On 27 Apr 98, Wyrmy The powerful disseminated foul capitalist
propaganda by writing:

[...]
> <Drumroll> Whats yours?

Well, my favourite totem is Colt Manhunter, but I don't think it's
what you had on mind. <grin>

Leslie "Hablas Colt Manhunter, amigo?"

PS. Well, OK. Make that Snake. That -1D to spells cast in combat does
not really bother me - after all, I've got my gun. ;)

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Message no. 10
From: Jeff Loye <largo@****.KINGSTON.NET>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:52:41 -0500
Wyrmy The powerful wrote:

> Well for the newbies,I Wil tell you what this is about.Every coupla
> months I ask what everyones favorite totem is(just because I'm curious
> liek that).This time you can include necro totems, druidic, etc. But if
> it's not in grimmy or Awakenings, list its stats(I might want to use
> it).Well I'll start this off.
> This times favorite totem is:
> <Drumroll>
> Bear!
> Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
> <Drumroll>
> Whats yours?

It's Shark for me.
Largo
Message no. 11
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:40:31 -0600
/ >Well for the newbies,I Wil tell you what this is about.Every coupla
/ >months I ask what everyones favorite totem is(just because I'm curious
/ >liek that).

Raven.

-David
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Message no. 12
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:34:54 -0400
Wyrmy the almost as egotistical as me wrote:
>Well for the newbies,I Wil tell you what this is about.Every coupla
>months I ask what everyones favorite totem is(just because I'm curious
>liek that).This time you can include necro totems, druidic, etc. But if
>it's not in grimmy or Awakenings, list its stats(I might want to use
>it).Well I'll start this off.
>This times favorite totem is:
><Drumroll>
>Bear!
>Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
><Drumroll>
>Whats yours?

My current char is a shamanic physad following Loki. We didn't really
flesh out the totem too much (probably just +2 to illusion spells)
since the only thing that matters for physads is geasa (and there
aren't any relevant ones). It's a wilderness totem...

In our party, we've got a Firebringer shaman, a Christian hermetic,
and another wierd hermetic who basically follows the Goddess Ariel.
The hermies are new, though, so I don't know too much about their
characters yet...

James Ojaste
Message no. 13
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:11:36 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/98 1:58:36 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
nomad74@*******.COM writes:

> I did have a short-lived Wolverine Shaman that I really enjoyed
> playing.
>
> -Vagabond
> "Under wander

Okay guy, now live up to the remainder of Wyrmy's request. What are the stats
on "Wolverine"???

-K
Message no. 14
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:17:20 -0500
----------
> From: Ojaste,James [NCR] <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
> My current char is a shamanic physad following Loki. We didn't really
> flesh out the totem too much (probably just +2 to illusion spells)
> since the only thing that matters for physads is geasa (and there
> aren't any relevant ones). It's a wilderness totem...

Don't forget the disadvantages matter... not fun if you forget that
about your wolf-physad...

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Message no. 15
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:37:52 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/98 7:51:19 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
largo@****.KINGSTON.NET writes:

> It's Shark for me.
> Largo
>
SHARK?!? Now that is something I don't hear very often. That would be kind
of cool given the current game scenarios we're in.

-K
Message no. 16
From: Caric <caric@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:49:17 -0700
---Wyrmy The powerful set forth on the quest to find:

> Well for the newbies,I Wil tell you what this is about.Every coupla
> months I ask what everyones favorite totem is(just because I'm curious
> liek that).This time you can include necro totems, druidic, etc. But
if
> it's not in grimmy or Awakenings, list its stats(I might want to use
> it).Well I'll start this off.
> This times favorite totem is:

I'm not sure I need to bother answering this, but Dog is of course the
only way to go. :)

*Disclaimer: This is in no way meant to bash any other Totem ;)

Caric-the-whatever-floats-your-boat-shaman
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Message no. 17
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:03:27 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/98 10:01:09 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG writes:

> / >Well for the newbies,I Wil tell you what this is about.Every coupla
> / >months I ask what everyones favorite totem is(just because I'm curious
> / >liek that).
>
> Raven.
>
> -David
>
Interesting .... Binder still has close ties to Raven ... Ometeotl
(Aztec/Mayan variation on "Creator") is now Numero Uno ...

-K
Message no. 18
From: scrose <scrose@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:02:07 -0500
Jessica Grota wrote:
>
> Nexx wrote:
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Wyrmy The powerful <elfman@*****.NET>
> >
> > > This times favorite totem is:
> > > <Drumroll>
> > > Bear!
> > > Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
> > > <Drumroll>
> > > Whats yours?
>
> Raccoon can be fun...My characters tend to follow offbeat totems. I have
> a Nagual Shaman (jett: Nagual is a south american spirit totem that
> takes the form of a large black jaguar) and a Badger shamaness.

I have to bring up the GI Joe totem. This was created right after the
grimmy first came out. Take the Dog totem and give +2 to combat spells
and you have it. We where looking at personal traditions and came up
with this idea GI Joe a real american hero. :) The character loved it
matter of fact he still plays in sunday afternoon game...
Message no. 19
From: Alexander Jenisch <night@********.CO.AT>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:07:49 +0200
Wyrmy The powerful wrote:
>
> Well for the newbies,I Wil tell you what this is about.Every coupla
> months I ask what everyones favorite totem is(just because I'm curious
> liek that).This time you can include necro totems, druidic, etc. But if
> it's not in grimmy or Awakenings, list its stats(I might want to use
> it).Well I'll start this off.
> This times favorite totem is:
> <Drumroll>
> Bear!
> Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
> <Drumroll>
> Whats yours?

I'd like Raven.
Like being a living contradiction!
Message no. 20
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:24:48 PDT
>In a message dated 4/28/98 1:58:36 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>nomad74@*******.COM writes:
>
>> I did have a short-lived Wolverine Shaman that I really enjoyed
>> playing.
>>
>> -Vagabond
>> "Under wander
>
>Okay guy, now live up to the remainder of Wyrmy's request. What are
the stats
>on "Wolverine"???

I believe it's on someone's big list o' totems out there on the net.
I want to say Wordman, but I'm not sure- a friend at the time had
printed it up for me to use. It's been around for years, and I assumed
everyone knew of it. I apologize...
*scrambles through SR stuff*
Environment: Forest(obviously)
Advantages: +3D Forest Spirits, +3D Combat Spells
Character: Wolverine is fairly well-known for his temper and his
fierce fighting ability. Wolverine is more territorial and dangerous
than Badger, and is (perhaps unfortunately) a fairly common totem among
shadowrunning shamans.
Disadvantages: Wolverine shamans are violent and tempermental, often
for no real reason. They just like to rip things up and throw homicidal
fits of rage. Whenver someone or something happens to piss off a
Wolverine shman(someone shoots at him, the car won't start, the bank
teller says he has exhausted the funds in that account), he must make a
Willpower (4) test to avoid instantly laying into the source of his
irritation with a physical attack- either with spell or weapon. For
this reason, Wolverine shmans are often having to buy new possessions to
replace old ones broken in a fit.

Need I explain why my character was short-lived(But oh, what a
ride!)? :)

-Vagabond
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Message no. 21
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:28:36 PDT
>In a message dated 4/28/98 7:51:19 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>largo@****.KINGSTON.NET writes:
>
>> It's Shark for me.
>> Largo
>>
>SHARK?!? Now that is something I don't hear very often. That would be
kind
>of cool given the current game scenarios we're in.

LOL! I just pictured a Shark Shaman who's geasa is to chant the music
from "Jaws" as he casts a spell... heheheheh*!
Later! *runs scribbling on a character sheet*


-Vagabond
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Message no. 22
From: Stephen Delear <c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:36:57 -0500
At 03:21 AM 98-04-28 -0400, you wrote:
>Nexx wrote:
>>
>> ----------
>> > From: Wyrmy The powerful <elfman@*****.NET>
>>
>> > This times favorite totem is:
>> > <Drumroll>
>> > Bear!
>> > Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
>> > <Drumroll>
>> > Whats yours?
>
>Raccoon can be fun...My characters tend to follow offbeat totems. I have
>a Nagual Shaman (jett: Nagual is a south american spirit totem that
>takes the form of a large black jaguar) and a Badger shamaness.

I wanted to play a racoon jewel theif awhile back but ended up with a
sorcerer adept jewel theif instead(just couldn't get the points to come out
right). Oh and is it just me or are shamanic adepts way to limited when
compared to there hermetic counterparts. You don't get totem bonuses and
you can only cast spells that your totem would give you a bonus on.

SteveD
>
>--Jett
>
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Message no. 23
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:33:51 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/98 2:55:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
nomad74@*******.COM writes:

> I believe it's on someone's big list o' totems out there on the net.
> I want to say Wordman, but I'm not sure- a friend at the time had
> printed it up for me to use. It's been around for years, and I assumed
> everyone knew of it. I apologize...
> *scrambles through SR stuff*

twiddling fingers patiently :)

> Environment: Forest(obviously)
> Advantages: +3D Forest Spirits, +3D Combat Spells

ACK!!!! 6 dice in beginning bonuses!!! Wow, what I wouldn't have given for
that much...okay, it's Forest Spirits only I'll grant you...

> Character: Wolverine is fairly well-known for his temper and his
> fierce fighting ability. Wolverine is more territorial and dangerous
> than Badger, and is (perhaps unfortunately) a fairly common totem among
> shadowrunning shamans.

Someone should have given him some "berserker rage induced" pain
resistance...can't get the damn things to let go...

> Disadvantages: Wolverine shamans are violent and tempermental, often
> for no real reason. They just like to rip things up and throw homicidal
> fits of rage. Whenver someone or something happens to piss off a
> Wolverine shman(someone shoots at him, the car won't start, the bank
> teller says he has exhausted the funds in that account), he must make a
> Willpower (4) test to avoid instantly laying into the source of his
> irritation with a physical attack- either with spell or weapon. For
> this reason, Wolverine shmans are often having to buy new possessions to
> replace old ones broken in a fit.

In game mechanics terms, how would you play this? Extra cost to Lifestyle?
What? A serious question. The idea of this kind of "shaman" gives me ideas
of it's too...

> Need I explain why my character was short-lived(But oh, what a
> ride!)? :)

Well, technically no...but I wouldn't have -wanted- to know with a bad
attitude guy like this anyway....geesh....put down the pencil sharpener...no,
I don't want to find out what the definition of "pencil neck" is...

:P

-K
Message no. 24
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:35:44 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/98 3:00:19 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
nomad74@*******.COM writes:

> >SHARK?!? Now that is something I don't hear very often. That would be
> kind
> >of cool given the current game scenarios we're in.
>
> LOL! I just pictured a Shark Shaman who's geasa is to chant the music
> from "Jaws" as he casts a spell... heheheheh*!
> Later! *runs scribbling on a character sheet*
>
Could you get that for a reduced karma cost as a Centering skill?

...dadum........dadum......dadumdadumdadumdadum....dadum....dadum....

It's seems pretty selective to me at least :)

-K
Message no. 25
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:08:15 -0400
At 02:36 PM 4/28/98 -0500, you wrote:

>right). Oh and is it just me or are shamanic adepts way to limited when
>compared to there hermetic counterparts. You don't get totem bonuses and
>you can only cast spells that your totem would give you a bonus on.

It's not just you. The guy who plays the troll gator shaman doesn't
complain much, but he's a pretty good role-player.

The fellow who plays the female elf cat shaman (could that be a little more
stereotyped?) hasn't been able to get a grasp on the character in three
sessions; he gripes to me each time that "Cat sucks!" to which my reply it
that he needs to role-play the PC and that way he'll find out what the real
advantages and disadvantages are.

But I do think that certain shamanic adepts are rather limited, Cat being
one of them. Doesn't mean they suck, just need better attention to their
own brand of strengths.

Of course, I'm a die-hard hermetic myself.

Erik J.


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Message no. 26
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:26:22 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/98 9:38:30 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU writes:

> I wanted to play a racoon jewel theif awhile back but ended up with a
> sorcerer adept jewel theif instead(just couldn't get the points to come out
> right). Oh and is it just me or are shamanic adepts way to limited when
> compared to there hermetic counterparts. You don't get totem bonuses and
> you can only cast spells that your totem would give you a bonus on.
>
>
Okay then, how about making an Owl Shamanic Adept...just make sure he never
does anything "runnerish" until after sunset....I know it's a pain, but them's
the breaks...

-K
Message no. 27
From: Jessica Grota <grota@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:38:41 -0400
<snip>

Oh and is it just me or are shamanic adepts way to limited when
> compared to there hermetic counterparts. You don't get totem bonuses and
> you can only cast spells that your totem would give you a bonus on.
>
> SteveD
> >

yeah, being a shamanic adept IS limited in exactly that way. Jett can
only cast a couple of weak spells and conjure watchers and her totem (by
loa rules, when Jett is mounted by the Nagual she becomes a black jaguar
shifter), so she isn't really a magician. And, a down side to the totem
is that she's CONSTANTLY assensing, which means she may as well put a
"Ground your HellBlast here" sign on her back. It's a weird totem: I
have the full sheet for the Nagual if anyone's interested in seeing it.
Doesn't help that Jett's only got an essence of 2, either. Darn
cyberware! :p

--Jett
Message no. 28
From: Danyel N Woods <9604801@********.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:19:08 +1200
Quoth Jessica Grota (1239 29-4-98):

<snip>

Oh and is it just me or are shamanic adepts way to limited when
> compared to there hermetic counterparts. You don't get totem
bonuses and
> you can only cast spells that your totem would give you a
bonus on.
>
> SteveD
> >

yeah, being a shamanic adept IS limited in exactly that way.
Jett can
only cast a couple of weak spells and conjure watchers and her
totem (by
loa rules, when Jett is mounted by the Nagual she becomes a
black jaguar
shifter), so she isn't really a magician. And, a down side to
the totem
is that she's CONSTANTLY assensing, which means she may as well
put a
"Ground your HellBlast here" sign on her back. It's a weird
totem: I
have the full sheet for the Nagual if anyone's interested in
seeing it.
Doesn't help that Jett's only got an essence of 2, either. Darn
cyberware! :p

I'm always on the lookout for new totems (mainly to hammer the PCs with
<EGMG>); please send the Nagual totem my way, Jett. The address is in
my sig.

Semi-related question: Does anyone have the bonuses/limitations for the
Insect totems? I'm trying to create a couple of low-level Insect Adept
opponents, but I don't know what they're capable of.

Danyel Woods
9604801@********.ac.nz
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'The universe is already mad. Anything else would be
redundant.'
Message no. 29
From: Jacob Engstrom <sabredanz@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:21:54 EDT
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:28:36 PDT The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
writes:
>>In a message dated 4/28/98 7:51:19 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>>largo@****.KINGSTON.NET writes:
>>
>>> It's Shark for me.
>>> Largo
>>>
>>SHARK?!? Now that is something I don't hear very often. That would
>be
>kind
>>of cool given the current game scenarios we're in.
>

**Finnally stirring myself to Action**
Mine is Leviathan.

J.T. Engstrom

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Message no. 30
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:26:22 -0500
----------
> From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
> But I do think that certain shamanic adepts are rather limited, Cat
being
> one of them. Doesn't mean they suck, just need better attention to
their
> own brand of strengths.

Actually, I'm working on an alternate system of magic that frees up
elemental and shamanic adepts a bit... if I can only finish Gulliver's
goddamn Travels
Message no. 31
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:57:58 -0400
At 08:26 PM 4/28/98 EDT, you wrote:

>Okay then, how about making an Owl Shamanic Adept...just make sure he never
>does anything "runnerish" until after sunset....I know it's a pain, but
them's
>the breaks...

I might be mistaken, but I believe that you can't be an Owl Shamanic Adept.

Shamanic Adepts can only be those adepts that are restricted by purpose,
not condition. So you can't have either a Owl (condition: night) Shamanic
Adept or a Coyote (no condition, no purpose) Shamanic Adept.

Erik J.


"Forgive me FASA for I have sinned. It has been 6 days since I last played
Shadowrun and 15 days since I last bought a SRTCG booster pack."
Message no. 32
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:09:34 -0500
>yeah, being a shamanic adept IS limited in exactly that way. Jett can
>only cast a couple of weak spells and conjure watchers and her totem
(by
>loa rules, when Jett is mounted by the Nagual she becomes a black
jaguar
>shifter), so she isn't really a magician. And, a down side to the totem
>is that she's CONSTANTLY assensing, which means she may as well put a
>"Ground your HellBlast here" sign on her back. It's a weird totem: I
>have the full sheet for the Nagual if anyone's interested in seeing it.
>Doesn't help that Jett's only got an essence of 2, either. Darn
>cyberware! :p
>

Post it, post it!

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...
Message no. 33
From: Wafflemeisters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:30:35 -0500
>
> Re: Its that time of the year.... (Panther , 4/19/98 12:18)
>
> > >This times favorite totem is:
> > ><Drumroll>
> > >Bear!
> > >Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
> > ><Drumroll>
> > >Whats yours?
>
> Why, Cat, of course <cg>
>
> Panther

Snake,obviously. They're YUMMY.

-Mongoose
Message no. 34
From: Wafflemeisters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:14:48 -0500
> Re: Its that time of the year.... (Ereskanti , Tue 19:26)
>
> In a message dated 4/28/98 9:38:30 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
> c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU writes:
>
> > I wanted to play a racoon jewel theif awhile back but ended up with a
> > sorcerer adept jewel theif instead(just couldn't get the points to come out
> > right). Oh and is it just me or are shamanic adepts way to limited when
> > compared to there hermetic counterparts. You don't get totem bonuses and
> > you can only cast spells that your totem would give you a bonus on.
> >
> >

Hermeticadept tyepes get one spell catagorie, plus combat /
manipulations with the matched elemntal effect, right? And NEVER health
spells? Thatcan be 3 spell types, I suppose,butitdoesn't seembetter
than a shamnic adept who gets 2 catagories, or even 3 (like those
snakes). Yes,the shamnic adept concept is not well balanced. Write your
own totem, I say- not to minmax, but just to be balanced. 2
unrestricted spell types anda spirit seems fair for most listed totemic
penalties.

> Okay then, how about making an Owl Shamanic Adept...just make sure he never
> does anything "runnerish" until after sunset....I know it's a pain, but
them's the breaks...
>

Book says you can'tdo that- no shamanic adepts for totmes who don't have
a FULL time advantage's or dis-advantages- no coyote, no owl.
Message no. 35
From: Stephen Delear <c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:22:40 -0500
At 08:38 PM 98-04-28 -0400, you wrote:
><snip>
>
> Oh and is it just me or are shamanic adepts way to limited when
>> compared to there hermetic counterparts. You don't get totem bonuses and
>> you can only cast spells that your totem would give you a bonus on.
>>
>> SteveD
>> >
>
>yeah, being a shamanic adept IS limited in exactly that way. Jett can
>only cast a couple of weak spells and conjure watchers and her totem (by
>loa rules, when Jett is mounted by the Nagual she becomes a black jaguar
>shifter), so she isn't really a magician. And, a down side to the totem
>is that she's CONSTANTLY assensing, which means she may as well put a
>"Ground your HellBlast here" sign on her back. It's a weird totem: I
>have the full sheet for the Nagual if anyone's interested in seeing it.
>Doesn't help that Jett's only got an essence of 2, either. Darn
>cyberware! :p

I think you missed my point by SR II rules all a shamanic SUMMONING or
CONJURING adept can do is cast spells or call spirits that he gets a bonus
in. If I remember shamanic adepts right they can only use magic in
specific terrain (sorry I can't find my Girmore right now to look it up).

SteveD
>
>--Jett
>
Stephen Delear
University of Missouri-Columbia
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Message no. 36
From: Jessica Grota <grota@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:58:44 -0400
<snip>

> I think you missed my point by SR II rules all a shamanic SUMMONING or
> CONJURING adept can do is cast spells or call spirits that he gets a bonus
> in. <snip>
>
> SteveD


No, I understand, I just got sidetracked. I have the attention span of a
deficit three year old! :>

--Jett
Message no. 37
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:28:42 EDT
In a message dated 4/29/98 11:05:23 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
erikj@****.COM writes:

> I might be mistaken, but I believe that you can't be an Owl Shamanic Adept.
>
> Shamanic Adepts can only be those adepts that are restricted by purpose,
> not condition. So you can't have either a Owl (condition: night) Shamanic
> Adept or a Coyote (no condition, no purpose) Shamanic Adept.
>
>
Most of the time, I would completely agree with you, but in this instance, I
can't. A Conditional Geasa is one of the terms that a Magician can take when
dealing with Magic Loss, and at least IMO (don't honestly remember the rules
concerning Owl Adepts to be honest...you are probably right) a Condition works
just as well as anything else.

Along similar lines, is it possible them to take a "Totem" as a Physical Adept
at all? They don't deal with the bonuses/benefits for their abilities, at
least not without invoking some House Rules. And yet I've read somewhere
about them having to take the disadvantages.

IOW, if a PAD takes a Totemic/Shamanic POV, then they do gain certain
advantages. At the very least, they gain extra dice when resisting spells /
attacks from a given Spell / Spirit Category. Just something to help a bit,
IF the disadvantages are taken anyway.

-K
Message no. 38
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:51:10 -0300
Danyel N Woods escreveu:
>
> Quoth Jessica Grota (1239 29-4-98):
>
>
>
> Semi-related question: Does anyone have the bonuses/limitations for the
> Insect totems? I'm trying to create a couple of low-level Insect Adept
> opponents, but I don't know what they're capable of.
>

They don't have bonuses as normal shamans, all the insect totems
grant is
spellcasting ability and the capacity to conjure insect spirits. Not a
house rule
this time, it's in Bug City... :)

Ubiratan
Message no. 39
From: Cobra <wgallas@*****.FR>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:15:35 +0200
>> I might be mistaken, but I believe that you can't be an Owl Shamanic Adept.
>>
>> Shamanic Adepts can only be those adepts that are restricted by purpose,
>> not condition. So you can't have either a Owl (condition: night) Shamanic
>> Adept or a Coyote (no condition, no purpose) Shamanic Adept.
>>
>>
>Most of the time, I would completely agree with you, but in this instance, I
>can't. A Conditional Geasa is one of the terms that a Magician can take when
>dealing with Magic Loss, and at least IMO (don't honestly remember the rules
>concerning Owl Adepts to be honest...you are probably right) a Condition
works
>just as well as anything else.

Erik J is right. It is stated in the adepts section of the grimmy (or SR2
?). The reason is that a shamanic adept can only cast spells from
categories of the totem bonuses. You could admit Owl but it makes the adept
quite powerful (since all the owl shamans already cast spells at night...
Except at very special occasions). But since Coyote doesn't give any
bonus/limitation, it isn't possible.

>Along similar lines, is it possible them to take a "Totem" as a Physical
Adept
>at all? They don't deal with the bonuses/benefits for their abilities, at
>least not without invoking some House Rules. And yet I've read somewhere
>about them having to take the disadvantages.

For Physads, I don't see any problem.

>IOW, if a PAD takes a Totemic/Shamanic POV, then they do gain certain
>advantages. At the very least, they gain extra dice when resisting spells /
>attacks from a given Spell / Spirit Category. Just something to help a bit,
>IF the disadvantages are taken anyway.

They don't get any disadvantage so they don't get any advantage. Having the
totem POV isn't a limitation. If he has this totem, it's because it's his
own POV too so I wouldn't give any bonus (but I already allow them to use
shielding).

- Cobra.
Message no. 40
From: Stephen Delear <c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:39:24 -0500
At 08:26 PM 98-04-28 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 4/28/98 9:38:30 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
>c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU writes:
>
>> I wanted to play a racoon jewel theif awhile back but ended up with a
>> sorcerer adept jewel theif instead(just couldn't get the points to come
out
>> right). Oh and is it just me or are shamanic adepts way to limited when
>> compared to there hermetic counterparts. You don't get totem bonuses and
>> you can only cast spells that your totem would give you a bonus on.
>>
>>
>Okay then, how about making an Owl Shamanic Adept...just make sure he never
>does anything "runnerish" until after sunset....I know it's a pain, but
them's
>the breaks...

Not possible. Reread the rules in the BBB.

SteveD
>
>-K
>
Stephen Delear
University of Missouri-Columbia
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Message no. 41
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:41:28 EDT
In a message dated 4/29/98 5:50:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
evamarie@**********.net writes:

> Hermeticadept tyepes get one spell catagorie, plus combat /
> manipulations with the matched elemntal effect, right? And NEVER health
> spells? Thatcan be 3 spell types, I suppose,butitdoesn't seembetter
> than a shamnic adept who gets 2 catagories, or even 3 (like those
> snakes). Yes,the shamnic adept concept is not well balanced. Write your
> own totem, I say- not to minmax, but just to be balanced. 2
> unrestricted spell types anda spirit seems fair for most listed totemic
> penalties.

Actually, NO, this doesn't make sense....at least not to me.

Sorceror Adepts (any kind) can only cast spells.

Elemental Adepts can only pursue one category of spells and a particular
elemental type (Water/Illusion, Fire/Combat...etcetera...).

I missed the adept type you are mentioning...sorry
-K
Message no. 42
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:31:03 EDT
In a message dated 4/29/98 10:11:45 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
wgallas@*****.FR writes:

> Erik J is right. It is stated in the adepts section of the grimmy (or SR2
> ?). The reason is that a shamanic adept can only cast spells from
> categories of the totem bonuses. You could admit Owl but it makes the adept
> quite powerful (since all the owl shamans already cast spells at night...
> Except at very special occasions). But since Coyote doesn't give any
> bonus/limitation, it isn't possible.

I realize the rules as they stand, and just needed a refresher on Owl, TYVM.
I was just giving an example of why something -might- be possible. Also,
please remember that "Full Shamans" get bonuses across the board for their
Totem's Areas of Interest. Shamanic Adepts only gain the abilities to perform
"particular areas or categories of magic". Hence, what I was suggesting is
that "Owl Adepts" would -ONLY- be able to perform their magic at night and
with NO BONUSES at all, as per the rules.

> >Along similar lines, is it possible them to take a "Totem" as a
Physical
> Adept
> >at all? They don't deal with the bonuses/benefits for their abilities, at
> >least not without invoking some House Rules. And yet I've read somewhere
> >about them having to take the disadvantages.
>
> For Physads, I don't see any problem.

See Below

> >IOW, if a PAD takes a Totemic/Shamanic POV, then they do gain certain
> >advantages. At the very least, they gain extra dice when resisting spells
/
>
> >attacks from a given Spell / Spirit Category. Just something to help a
bit,
>
> >IF the disadvantages are taken anyway.
>
> They don't get any disadvantage so they don't get any advantage. Having the
> totem POV isn't a limitation. If he has this totem, it's because it's his
> own POV too so I wouldn't give any bonus (but I already allow them to use
> shielding).

Ah, so you've bent the rules in one and rendered them inflexible in another.
I see.

Anyway, if someone magical (key word there) is of a "Shamanic" Variety, they
take the disadvantages regardless of their magical status. They also take the
"Preferred Environment" as the place where their Lodge must be. Please
remember, Shamanic Adepts (non-PADs) have the full disadvantages while they
get no bonuses. To follow through with that, the PADs have the same rules
guidelining them as well.

At least, that is how we interpreted the situation.

-K
Message no. 43
From: Dale R Critchley <dale.critchley@********.COM>
Subject: Its that time of the year....
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:38:54 -0700
My favorite totem? Probably Turtle. He's great for role-play. Jedi are fun, too.
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Message no. 44
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:25:12 -0400
At 09:28 PM 4/29/98 EDT, you wrote:

>> Shamanic Adepts can only be those adepts that are restricted by purpose,
>> not condition. So you can't have either a Owl (condition: night) Shamanic
>> Adept or a Coyote (no condition, no purpose) Shamanic Adept.
>>
>Most of the time, I would completely agree with you, but in this instance, I
>can't. A Conditional Geasa is one of the terms that a Magician can take when
>dealing with Magic Loss, and at least IMO (don't honestly remember the rules
>concerning Owl Adepts to be honest...you are probably right) a Condition
works
>just as well as anything else.

As Cobra pointed out, you are indeed wrong according to official FASA SR
rules. Which doesn't mean you can't change that for your own house game.

Also, we aren't talking about Geasa, which indeed can be nearly anything.
So a Condition Geasa would be fine to take in most cases (though if I found
someone that allowed the Owl's night/day restrictions to also be a Geasa
I'd probably THWAP! them with week-old carp, multiple times about the
head). But this isn't a question of Geasa after all.

>Along similar lines, is it possible them to take a "Totem" as a Physical
Adept
>at all? They don't deal with the bonuses/benefits for their abilities, at
>least not without invoking some House Rules. And yet I've read somewhere
>about them having to take the disadvantages.

I believe this is covered in Awakenings.

As I recall (which is a bit fuzzy at the moment) the taking of a totem by a
physadept is really nothing more than a role-playing choice. There really
isn't any benefits or drawbacks to doing it. It's just one of those things
that adds additional depth and flavor to the PC. I guess it goes more
in-depth than simply taking a "Path" or "Way" and adds to PC
individuality.

Erik J.


"Oh my God, they killed Dunkelzahn! You bastards!!!"
Message no. 45
From: Alex van der Kleut <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:44:43 -0400
>I believe this is covered in Awakenings.
>
>As I recall (which is a bit fuzzy at the moment) the taking of a totem by a
>physadept is really nothing more than a role-playing choice. There really
>isn't any benefits or drawbacks to doing it. It's just one of those things
>that adds additional depth and flavor to the PC. I guess it goes more
>in-depth than simply taking a "Path" or "Way" and adds to PC
individuality.

From what I remember, for the most part it is a role-playing thing. Helps
to figure out how exactly you think of your magic. And the default for a
physad is that they are hermetic, ie that the magic follows a set of rules
that are universal and that you have the ability to use them.

The one advantage that you do get if you follow a totem is the ability to
perform "spirit quests" which are just like an astral quest for initiation
without having to be able to astrally project. That's in the rules adept
section of Awakenings. I think it also mentions there that you follow any
penalties for your totem that apply, ie Owl during the day. I myself would
say that that means you get any bonuses that could apply too.

Sommers
Message no. 46
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:09:19 -0500
>Along similar lines, is it possible them to take a "Totem" as a
Physical Adept
>at all? They don't deal with the bonuses/benefits for their abilities,
at
>least not without invoking some House Rules. And yet I've read
somewhere
>about them having to take the disadvantages.
>
>IOW, if a PAD takes a Totemic/Shamanic POV, then they do gain certain
>advantages. At the very least, they gain extra dice when resisting
spells /
>attacks from a given Spell / Spirit Category. Just something to help a
bit,
>IF the disadvantages are taken anyway.
>


Dunno about it being canon or not, but I have a PA in my game that
follows a totem (Dog), and for his role-playing the disads of the totem,
I allow some limited benefits to accrue from it. Wondering if I opened
a can of worms, however, cause now he is wondering if there is any way
he can use Initiation Magic points to ever become a full blown Shaman as
well. I was considering a Shamanic Adept because he is not one to
munchkinize things...

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...
Message no. 47
From: Robert Nesius <nesius@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:38:54 -0700
Favorite Totems:
Rat - lots of fun.

Past Shaman's I've enjoyed:
Owl - I played a mute Owl Shaman named Silent.
In the same game, the other half of the magical talent was a blind
Moon shaman. That combination of totems and disabilities was a lot
of fun.
Message no. 48
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Its that time of the year....
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 18:15:24 -0500
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:16:46 -0500 Wyrmy The powerful <elfman@*****.NET>
writes:
>Well for the newbies,I Wil tell you what this is about.Every coupla
months I >ask what everyones favorite totem is(just because I'm curious
liek that).This >time you can include necro totems, druidic, etc. But if
it's not in grimmy or >Awakenings, list its stats(I might want to use
it).Well I'll start this off.
>This times favorite totem is:
><Drumroll>
>Bear!
>Big shaggy brother,stand up and take a bow!!!
><Drumroll>
>Whats yours?
>--

Really? I would of thought it'd be Wyrm ... ;) (btw, yes I read ahead,
but I thought of that before I read you had I Wyrm shaman...)

My favs are:

Wyrm Druid (I like dragons, in fact I was born Year of the Dragon)
Moon Druid (I just like the imagery associated with moons ... and b4
anyone says anything I mean the chunk of rock orbiting the earth, not
any other kind of moons ;)
Eagle Shaman (I like the noble nature)
Phoenix Shaman (they rock! I propose a toast to long life! *ducks* ;)
and lastly Mantis Shaman (No, I've never played one, but wish I could ...
)
All in all, I tend to play hermetics :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum)
"Hey what about a Godzilla totem?"

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