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Message no. 1
From: Helge Diernaes <ecocide@***.econ.cbs.dk>
Subject: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:58:02 +0200 (METDST)
On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Spike wrote:

> |A shame, but our only reaction, if we fear growing adversity, is to
> |respond publicly. Has the web attained a big enough part of peoples
> |lives to be used in this way? After all, it's comparably cheap, but I
> |cannot estimate the possible effects.
> |But I do not think it will be major.
>
> I think at the moment, the only people with web access are a lot of students
> and university employees, a few employees elseware and a few computer buffs
> dotted around the globe.

In comparasion to the whole, certainly. There are only, what, 40 million
people with internet access, or is this information obsolente or
exaggerated? Anyhow, I am inclined to believe that the momentum of
unfluential peoples interest in the Web is growing, and if our opinion
leaders, such as Gurth, Marcucci, this lists owners, and others began
spreading concise and objective info, it would eventually be heard, even
if it is not what the world wants to hear.

If not, then alliances could be formed exweb - if roleplay is banned on the
basis of inducing to violence because of faulty reality filters in the
participants (us) then what about paintball? softball? Martial arts
around the world? civilian shooting courses? (In DK the
targetobject for pistol shooters (Is that a concept?) is a human silhouette.
And so forth.

The above is rather extreme, I know, but imagine having the ARA on your
side? :) That is one big lobbyist in the US.....

> I really don't think the majority of the general public has even seen
> anything of the web that's not on Tomorrows World....

Tomorrows World? Is that a concept or a UK publication?

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Silhouette


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Message no. 2
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:56:24 -0500
>The above is rather extreme, I know, but imagine having the ARA on your
>side? :) That is one big lobbyist in the US.....

The _N_RA, but yeah, they'd be nice to have on your side. Actually, at the
last con I went to, the hotel it was held at also happened to be hosting an
NRA convention. Seemed like nice enough people :)

Mike Broadwater
"An object at rest cannot be stopped! Yeah, baby, yeah!" - The Evil
Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
Message no. 3
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:09:29 -0400 (EDT)
At 13:56 6/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>The above is rather extreme, I know, but imagine having the ARA on your
>>side? :) That is one big lobbyist in the US.....
>
>The _N_RA, but yeah, they'd be nice to have on your side. Actually, at the
>last con I went to, the hotel it was held at also happened to be hosting an
>NRA convention. Seemed like nice enough people :)
>
>Mike Broadwater

That will really help public opinion. Lets see, there are groups of people
who roleplay killing each other and as a result become mentally unstable and
they'er join forces with the National Rifle Ass. Yeah right. Two week later
the government will have a Megan's Law for RPGers. "Did you hear about the
mental case next door who likes guns? I hear its because of D&D." Yes we
will need lots of help if they try to outlaw RPGs in America or anywhere,
but we might want to align ourselves with someone who doesn't already have a
big fight on their hands.

Sasquatch

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Message no. 4
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:26:44 -0500
>Yes we
>will need lots of help if they try to outlaw RPGs in America or anywhere,
>but we might want to align ourselves with someone who doesn't already have a
>big fight on their hands.
>
>Sasquatch

And your suggestion would be? Or are you just a berry and twig eating
leftist who want's to keep the streets clear of guns so that the gov't can't
be overthrown?

Now, realize, I don't agree with that statement. But try and look at the
otherside. Since there have been studies (check out the TSR info page. As
much as I don't like them, they have some good info) that have shown that
role playing has never been linked to the death of any teens in the US.
Can't make a Brady Bill or Megan's Law when the only ammunition that can be
thrown is popular misconception. In the US, at least, you aren't going to
see a congressional motion to ban roleplaying games. It's just not going to
happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the stuff happening in Italy goes the
way of BADD.

Mike Broadwater
"An object at rest cannot be stopped! Yeah, baby, yeah!" - The Evil
Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
Message no. 5
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:35:10 -0400 (EDT)
At 14:26 6/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>And your suggestion would be? Or are you just a berry and twig eating
>leftist who want's to keep the streets clear of guns so that the gov't can't
>be overthrown?
>
>Mike Broadwater

Well actually being a Sasquatch I do like the ocassional twin and berry.
Fern anyone? :)

Sasquatch

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Message no. 6
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:47:55 -0500
>At 14:26 6/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>And your suggestion would be? Or are you just a berry and twig eating
>>leftist who want's to keep the streets clear of guns so that the gov't can't
>>be overthrown?
>>
>>Mike Broadwater
>
>Well actually being a Sasquatch I do like the ocassional twin and berry.
>Fern anyone? :)
>
>Sasquatch

Thank you for taking that with the grain of salt it was intended. (the
comment, not the ruffage)

Mike Broadwater
"Insanity in sanity"
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
Message no. 7
From: "Spike" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 21:07:48 +0100 (BST)
|Tomorrows World? Is that a concept or a UK publication?

Tomorrows World?
It's a BBC tv program that's been reporting on technological innovation for
the past 30 or so years.
You'd be suprised how many things they report which seem like good ideas,
that never again see the light of day....

Mind you, the thing they reported last week was VRML......
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Message no. 8
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:28:37 +0100
Mike Broadwater said on 13:56/11 Jun 96...

> The _N_RA, but yeah, they'd be nice to have on your side. Actually, at the
> last con I went to, the hotel it was held at also happened to be hosting an
> NRA convention. Seemed like nice enough people :)

Until you say something like "So do you *really* need those guns, then?" :)

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Message no. 9
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:28:38 +0100
Helge Diernaes said on 20:58/11 Jun 96...

> In comparasion to the whole, certainly. There are only, what, 40 million
> people with internet access, or is this information obsolente or
> exaggerated?

I believe you're about right. The last figure I heard was in that order
too.

> Anyhow, I am inclined to believe that the momentum of
> unfluential peoples interest in the Web is growing, and if our opinion
> leaders, such as Gurth, Marcucci, this lists owners, and others began
> spreading concise and objective info, it would eventually be heard, even
> if it is not what the world wants to hear.

Who, me? LOL! Sure, it could be done, but then you get involved in
discussions with professional word-twisters, and that's something I'd like
to avoid if I possibly can. Anyway you'd only reach the people who have
internet access, which excludes quite a lot of people, you know. It may
seem like everybody and his dog are on the net, but actually it's only a
tiny percentage, and of that tiny percentage a good number don't even
really have anything to do here -- they're just going along with the hype.

> If not, then alliances could be formed exweb - if roleplay is banned on the
> basis of inducing to violence because of faulty reality filters in the
> participants (us)

No, it would be banned on the basis of faulty reality filters in a very
small minority of players. Probably those people would have done something
else violent if they hadn't been exposed to RPGs, like shooting a dozen
people in a main street, abusing their wives/kids/strangers, setting fire
to stuff, or anything else you care to think of.
It's just that it's easy to blame their behaviour on games that encourage
you to imagine that you're someone who can get away with commiting violent
acts.

> Tomorrows World? Is that a concept or a UK publication?

A BBC TV program, similar to programs like Horizon, Beyond 2000, and
others.

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Message no. 10
From: Jeff Perrin <jperrin@*********.net>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:24:58 -0400
Gurth wrote:
>
> Helge Diernaes said on 20:58/11 Jun 96...
>
> > In comparasion to the whole, certainly. There are only, what, 40 million
> > people with internet access, or is this information obsolente or
> > exaggerated?
>
> I believe you're about right. The last figure I heard was in that order
> too.

but 40 million is only a drop in the bucket when you consider the combined
populations of educated countries.

> > Anyhow, I am inclined to believe that the momentum of
> > unfluential peoples interest in the Web is growing, and if our opinion
> > leaders, such as Gurth, Marcucci, this lists owners, and others began
> > spreading concise and objective info, it would eventually be heard, even
> > if it is not what the world wants to hear.
>
> Who, me? LOL! Sure, it could be done, but then you get involved in
> discussions with professional word-twisters, and that's something I'd like
> to avoid if I possibly can. Anyway you'd only reach the people who have

also not to mention web publishing a campaign against anti-rpg bs makes you a
public figure and your personal life open to screteny (sp) and publishing.
Actors, writers (newspaper, book, and magazine), and other public figures face
the same. Also if they successfully paint you along with these others as a
public figure then you are vulnerable to slander laws and if ya slip up then
they can sue ya. I personally prefer to limit myself to appearing to the
public at large as a non-expert nobody...less crap until I get a real job and
can at least afford a good lawyer if open my big mouth at the wrong time and to
the wrong person :)

> internet access, which excludes quite a lot of people, you know. It may
> seem like everybody and his dog are on the net, but actually it's only a
> tiny percentage, and of that tiny percentage a good number don't even
> really have anything to do here -- they're just going along with the hype.

a lot of people have access BUT the people who really need to be informed about
how rpgs really are live in small towns that dont have an isp nearby or
affordable enough.

something ya might want to think about...take what ya know about rpgs and
compare it to what the media displayed...now just think about stories they
cover that you dont know a lot about.....

Luc aka BobW

EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!
BUT THE CORPSE STILL HAS THE FLOOR!!
--Kevin Spacey as Lloyd in The Ref (1994)
Message no. 11
From: Helge Diernaes <ecocide@***.econ.cbs.dk>
Subject: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:07:14 +0200 (METDST)
On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Hairy Smurf wrote:

> At 13:56 6/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
> >>The above is rather extreme, I know, but imagine having the ARA on your
> >>side? :) That is one big lobbyist in the US.....
> >
> >The _N_RA, but yeah, they'd be nice to have on your side.

Damn! I always think American Rifle Association when it is the National
Rifle Association :)

> >Actually, at the
> >last con I went to, the hotel it was held at also happened to be hosting an
> >NRA convention. Seemed like nice enough people :)
> >
> >Mike Broadwater
>
> That will really help public opinion. Lets see, there are groups of people
> who roleplay killing each other and as a result become mentally unstable and
> they'er join forces with the National Rifle Ass. Yeah right. Two week later
> the government will have a Megan's Law for RPGers.

You're sure? Admittedly, I'm European, but my conception of what is
sensible in the States is, that those with the power decides. If the NRA
has gotten lots of clout, then they're a force to be reckoned with.
But if they're that unpopular, you're right, then an alliance is bad. But
try some other inane possibilities:

1. Simple good sense: we're people promoting social lives with people we
like, activating our imaginations and stipulating our minds creative
centres, thereby achiving greater well being.

2. We're exploring our abilities to interact with a wide range of people,
learning to solve problems and motivating other people.

3. While roleplaying, we're not killing anyone, we're not sexually
harassing anyone (not in my group at least), we're not assaulting
people, we're helping the coffiene and sugar industries, we are actually
good honest citizens.

Possible though farfetched alliances :)

4. Ethnic fronts: The general public focuses on bad behaviour on the part
of a few idiots and then punish indiscriminately. That holds for us too,
but an alliance with ethnic groups might also transfer their problems to
us :(

5. Movie associations: How often does good actors in horror/thriller
movies go nuts? I don't know, but hell, they are even worse then we,
cause they acutally use the guns - unless they've also gotten stuntmen
for that :)

And so forth.

Lets see what happens or if the italians just are trying to get a break
in fighting corruption and the mafia - no offense intended.

--
R,

Silhouette

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like weapons, like the French, like 'copters,
think that a third world war would be a good thing.
- a tiny discription of me.
Am I mad?
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Message no. 12
From: Jeff Perrin <jperrin@*********.net>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 06:12:54 -0400
Helge Diernaes wrote:
> 1. Simple good sense: we're people promoting social lives with people we
> like, activating our imaginations and stipulating our minds creative
> centres, thereby achiving greater well being.
>
> 2. We're exploring our abilities to interact with a wide range of people,
> learning to solve problems and motivating other people.
>
> 3. While roleplaying, we're not killing anyone, we're not sexually
> harassing anyone (not in my group at least), we're not assaulting
> people, we're helping the coffiene and sugar industries, we are actually
> good honest citizens.
>

wow! and to think i thaught i was just havin fun with friends and misbehaving in my
imaginations instead of my actions so that i didnt end up in constant trouble like the
thugs and ruffians around me who were always in principle's (sp) office or being
arrested :)

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Luc aka BobW

EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!
BUT THE CORPSE STILL HAS THE FLOOR!!
--Kevin Spacey as Lloyd in The Ref (1994)
Message no. 13
From: "Paolo Marcucci" <paolo@*********.it>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:17:20 +0200
At 12:07 12/06/96 +0200, you wrote:
>
>Lets see what happens or if the italians just are trying to get a break
>in fighting corruption and the mafia - no offense intended.
>
>Silhouette

Huhuhu... :) This hits the point. With our new government, everything is ok,
everyone is happy and nothing can damage anyone. Of course fighting
corruption may (I stress *may*) involve someone now on the control chair, so
why don't search for other criminal activities (other than the mafia, of
course) like roleplaying, nightclubbing, having basic fun and free speech?

There's a large percentage of people involved in these activities that are
simply unhearable. They have no media support, and general consensus (so
they say) is against them.

Last news are: Disco's in Rimini (400 in 60km) are driven by devil
worshippers (I'm no lying, there were several tv talk shows about this),
roleplaying is considered sovversive activity with potential lethal damages
to poor little childrens (you really don't want to think in creative ways,
don't you?)

Enough. This is a Shadowrun list, and I have great fun reading posts from
you beautiful people. Don't make me think to the real world here too.

:)

Bye, Paolo
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Message no. 14
From: Niels Broberg <nilbabo@****.internet.dk>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:40:34 +0200
At 12:17 12-06-96 +0200, Paolo Marcucci wrote:

>Last news are: Disco's in Rimini (400 in 60km) are driven by devil
>worshippers (I'm no lying, there were several tv talk shows about this),
>roleplaying is considered sovversive activity with potential lethal damages
>to poor little childrens (you really don't want to think in creative ways,
>don't you?)

OH NO ! Not The Discos in Rimini ! Well since I've been there (At least to
some of them), And I play RPG's this must mean I have to go kill my
neighbourgs, burn down their house, put a huge upside-down cross in my
garden and run around naked, all the while singing some satanic song
:-D :-D :-D

Niels <Yes, one of those bloody fourinors who's been to Rimini> :-)
Message no. 15
From: Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:14:56 -0500 (CDT)
On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Gurth wrote:

> Helge Diernaes said on 20:58/11 Jun 96...
>
> > In comparasion to the whole, certainly. There are only, what, 40 million
> > people with internet access, or is this information obsolente or
> > exaggerated?
>
> I believe you're about right. The last figure I heard was in that order
> too.
>
Actually I remember hearing that the total number of internet users (that
is people who use one or more portions of the internet) is around 500
million. To quote somebody whos name esscapes me "If the internet where
a nation it would be applying for a seat on the UN security council".

Stephen

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Message no. 16
From: Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:35:12 -0500 (CDT)
On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Helge Diernaes wrote:

[snip]
>
> You're sure? Admittedly, I'm European, but my conception of what is
> sensible in the States is, that those with the power decides. If the NRA
> has gotten lots of clout, then they're a force to be reckoned with.
> But if they're that unpopular, you're right, then an alliance is bad. But
> try some other inane possibilities:
>
> 1. Simple good sense: we're people promoting social lives with people we
> like, activating our imaginations and stipulating our minds creative
> centres, thereby achiving greater well being.

Sorry don't think this would work, common sence and the US goverment
don't often meet. Keep in mind some of the right wingers in one of the
major partys over here (Republican) want to see evolution banned from
schools.

>
> 2. We're exploring our abilities to interact with a wide range of people,
> learning to solve problems and motivating other people.

So where Steve Jackson games right up untill the SS took there computers.
>
> 3. While roleplaying, we're not killing anyone, we're not sexually
> harassing anyone (not in my group at least), we're not assaulting
> people, we're helping the coffiene and sugar industries, we are actually
> good honest citizens.

So are most movie goers yet the Movie indistry is still attack by
politicians.

>
> Possible though farfetched alliances :)
>
> 4. Ethnic fronts: The general public focuses on bad behaviour on the part
> of a few idiots and then punish indiscriminately. That holds for us too,
> but an alliance with ethnic groups might also transfer their problems to
> us :(


You DON'T want to get involved in American ethnic politics.
>
> 5. Movie associations: How often does good actors in horror/thriller
> movies go nuts? I don't know, but hell, they are even worse then we,
> cause they acutally use the guns - unless they've also gotten stuntmen
> for that :)

Hum considering the problems the movie industry has this may not be such
a good idea.

>
> And so forth.
>
> Lets see what happens or if the italians just are trying to get a break
> in fighting corruption and the mafia - no offense intended.

Stephen
>
> --
> R,
>
> Silhouette
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Black clothes, Centurion Racer, long hair, deviant opinions,
> like weapons, like the French, like 'copters,
> think that a third world war would be a good thing.
> - a tiny discription of me.
> Am I mad?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Helge Diernaes | ecocide@***.econ.cbs.dk
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
Message no. 17
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:30:32 +0100
Niels Broberg said on 21:40/12 Jun 96...

> OH NO ! Not The Discos in Rimini ! Well since I've been there (At least to
> some of them), And I play RPG's this must mean I have to go kill my
> neighbourgs, burn down their house, put a huge upside-down cross in my
> garden and run around naked, all the while singing some satanic song
> :-D :-D :-D
>
> Niels <Yes, one of those bloody fourinors who's been to Rimini> :-)

At least you're not Norwegian, else you might have to set fire to a church
as well :)



(No offense to any of the Norwegians or Americans-who've-had-their-church-
burned-recently on this list, it's just an observation about something
that was happening last year or so...)

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Message no. 18
From: "Spike" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:33:21 +0100 (BST)
|Sorry don't think this would work, common sence and the US goverment
|don't often meet. Keep in mind some of the right wingers in one of the
|major partys over here (Republican) want to see evolution banned from
|schools.

That brings a really strange image to mind.....
"Come here child. This injection will stop you and your descendents from
*ever* evolving!"
or
"Come here child! This injection will sterilise you, so you won't be *able*
to have any descendents to out evolve us!"
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Message no. 19
From: "Paolo (2) Falco" <Falco@****.it>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:35:08 +0000
On 11 Jun 96, Mike Broadwater wrote:

> The _N_RA, but yeah, they'd be nice to have on your side.
> Actually, at the last con I went to, the hotel it was held at
> also happened to be hosting an NRA convention. Seemed like
> nice enough people :)

YEEK!!!

One of the main reasons I like Italy is that lobbies don't go
very far, everyone is just too disinterested... :)

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Message no. 20
From: Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject: Re: Journalists are scum - but are they a threat?
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:49:50 -0500 (CDT)
On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Spike wrote:

I wrote...
> |Sorry don't think this would work, common sence and the US goverment
> |don't often meet. Keep in mind some of the right wingers in one of the
> |major partys over here (Republican) want to see evolution banned from
> |schools.
>
> That brings a really strange image to mind.....
> "Come here child. This injection will stop you and your descendents from
> *ever* evolving!"
> or
> "Come here child! This injection will sterilise you, so you won't be *able*
> to have any descendents to out evolve us!"

Tell me have you seen the far rights position on welfare mothers? This
actually isn't all that far from the truth (of course I'm sure they'll
change there mind when the find out there are more white mothers on
welfare then there are black mothers on welfare, who needs policlubs when
you have the republican far right?).

Stephen


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