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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Karma Pool Re-Rolls
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:09:12 -0600
Barbie wrote:
|
| At 08-Okt-97 wrote Mike (Leszek Karlik):
|
| >FYI: I am not *burning* Karma to buy *automatic* successes. I just
| >use the reroll function, which has the disadvantage of costing more
| >each time you use it, i.e. 1 for first reroll, 2 for 2nd, 4 for 3rd,
| >8 for 4th, 16 for... you get it.
|
| Officialy not totaly correct.
| one for the first two for the second three for the third and so on,
| only addig one per reroll not doubling it.

Sorry Barbie, but you need to read the rules again :) Per the rules
the karma pool cost for buying rerolls does double per re-roll
purchased per success. So, if on a given success, a PC buys three
re-rolls he spends a total of 7 karma pool points (1+2+4).

FWIW, I and my players missed this and played without doubling for
about two years. I was having a hell of a time making challenging
adventures without killing the PCs untill I re-read the rules on
karma pools.

-David
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Message no. 2
From: MCP <mcp@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Karma Pool Re-Rolls
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:52:13 -0400
At 07:09 AM 10/14/97 -0600, you wrote:
>| Officialy not totaly correct.
>| one for the first two for the second three for the third and so on,
>| only addig one per reroll not doubling it.
>
>Sorry Barbie, but you need to read the rules again :) Per the rules
>the karma pool cost for buying rerolls does double per re-roll
>purchased per success. So, if on a given success, a PC buys three
>re-rolls he spends a total of 7 karma pool points (1+2+4).
>
>FWIW, I and my players missed this and played without doubling for
>about two years. I was having a hell of a time making challenging
>adventures without killing the PCs untill I re-read the rules on
>karma pools.
>
Could you please give a page reference for this. When I look at page
191 of the BBB (hardcover) it states: "For 1 point of Karma, he can roll
those 2 failed dice again. This process can be repeated, but each time it
is done on a single test the Karma cost goes up by 1, until all the dice
are successes or the character runs out of Karma." Nowhere in there do
I see a reference to doubling the cost of additional re-rolls.

MCP

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Message no. 3
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Karma Pool Re-Rolls
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:40:00 -0600
MCP wrote:
|
| David Buehrer wrote:
|
| >Sorry Barbie, but you need to read the rules again :) Per the rules
| >the karma pool cost for buying rerolls does double per re-roll
| >purchased per success. So, if on a given success, a PC buys three
| >re-rolls he spends a total of 7 karma pool points (1+2+4).
|
| Could you please give a page reference for this. When I look at page
| 191 of the BBB (hardcover) it states: "For 1 point of Karma, he can roll
| those 2 failed dice again. This process can be repeated, but each time it
| is done on a single test the Karma cost goes up by 1, until all the dice
| are successes or the character runs out of Karma." Nowhere in there do
| I see a reference to doubling the cost of additional re-rolls.

Crap. Sorry, I spent the weekend with in-laws and it apparently
corrupted my brain :) Barbie was right, I was wrong. And I should
have known better too. One to many house rules I guess.

Se la vi.

-David
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Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Karma Pool Re-Rolls
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:48:18 +0100
David Buehrer said on 7:09/14 Oct 97...

> Sorry Barbie, but you need to read the rules again :) Per the rules
> the karma pool cost for buying rerolls does double per re-roll
> purchased per success. So, if on a given success, a PC buys three
> re-rolls he spends a total of 7 karma pool points (1+2+4).

SRII page 191 states that "each time [re-rolling a failure] is done on a
single test, the Karma cost goes up by 1". It doesn't say the cost is
doubled, it says 1 is added to it. That makes the second test cost 2 Karma
Pool, the third test 3, the fourth 4, and so on.

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Message no. 5
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Karma Pool Re-Rolls
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:30:05 -0500
At 14-Okt-97 wrote David Buehrer:


>Crap. Sorry, I spent the weekend with in-laws and it apparently
>corrupted my brain :) Barbie was right, I was wrong. And I should
>have known better too. One to many house rules I guess.

>Se la vi.

No props, everyone makes mistakes only at different times.


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Message no. 6
From: David Taylor <Harvester@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Karma Pool Re-Rolls
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:14:30 +0100
>Sorry Barbie, but you need to read the rules again :) Per the rules
>the karma pool cost for buying rerolls does double per re-roll
>purchased per success. So, if on a given success, a PC buys three
>re-rolls he spends a total of 7 karma pool points (1+2+4).
>-David

Right now I'm worried, another David who has mad exactly the same
mistake as me. I know this has been cleared up, but I just thought I'd
mention, that for some reason this is how our group has been doing
things since we started playing second edition. Maybe a carry over
from SR I, well I'm off to check my books.

David



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Message no. 7
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Karma Pool Re-Rolls
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:46:20 -0500
At 16-Okt-97 wrote David Taylor:


>Right now I'm worried, another David who has mad exactly the same
>mistake as me.

Confusing isn`t it.

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Message no. 8
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Karma Pool Re-Rolls
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:01:30 -0600
David Taylor wrote:
|
| David Buehrer wrote:
|
| >Sorry Barbie, but you need to read the rules again :) Per the rules
| >the karma pool cost for buying rerolls does double per re-roll
| >purchased per success. So, if on a given success, a PC buys three
| >re-rolls he spends a total of 7 karma pool points (1+2+4).
| >-David
|
| Right now I'm worried, another David who has mad exactly the same
| mistake as me. I know this has been cleared up, but I just thought I'd
| mention, that for some reason this is how our group has been doing
| things since we started playing second edition. Maybe a carry over
| from SR I, well I'm off to check my books.

FWIW I was wrong. It is 1+2+3+4+.., not 1+2+4+8..

And taking the time to re-read the rules from time to time is always
a good idea :)

-David
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Message no. 9
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Karma Pool Re-Rolls
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:24:43 -0400
David Buehrer writes:
> David Taylor wrote:

> | Right now I'm worried, another David who has mad exactly the same
> | mistake as me. I know this has been cleared up, but I just thought I'd
> | mention, that for some reason this is how our group has been doing
> | things since we started playing second edition. Maybe a carry over
> | from SR I, well I'm off to check my books.
>
> FWIW I was wrong. It is 1+2+3+4+.., not 1+2+4+8..
>
> And taking the time to re-read the rules from time to time is always
> a good idea :)
>
Too true. That or forgetting what is in the book, what is an erratta,
and what is a house rule. :)

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Message no. 10
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Karma Pool Re-Rolls
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:16:54 +0100
And verily, did David Taylor hastily scribble thusly...
|
|>Sorry Barbie, but you need to read the rules again :) Per the rules
|>the karma pool cost for buying rerolls does double per re-roll
|>purchased per success. So, if on a given success, a PC buys three
|>re-rolls he spends a total of 7 karma pool points (1+2+4).
|>-David
|
|Right now I'm worried, another David who has mad exactly the same
|mistake as me. I know this has been cleared up, but I just thought I'd
|mention, that for some reason this is how our group has been doing
|things since we started playing second edition. Maybe a carry over
|from SR I, well I'm off to check my books.

It sounds to me like a throwback for 1stEd...
(In that, the first reroll cost one, the second two, etc, etc, etc...)

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