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Message no. 1
From: Kama <kama@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Legal Age? [was: Officially...]
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:19:26 -0400
On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Nexx wrote:

> ----------
> > From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
> >
> > >> Drinking
> > >
> > >You need consent???
> >
> > No, you need a legal right though. And that right is granted currently
> at
> > 21. I could see this dropping to 18 though.
>
> I'd be willing to bet its going to drop to 18, or at least 21 with
> exceptions. There's quite a bit of push for it, and more and more I'm
> seeing people who are passing 21 and still advocating lowering it (myself,
> for example... I suggest 21 or a high school graduate)
>
> > >> Sexual Consent
> > >
> > >You need consent??? From the partner, oh, okay, I get it now.... :P
> > >Seriously though, if you mean "Parental Consent" or
"Consenting
> Adults", that
> > >would vary widely. Also would depend on how strict corporate or
> governmental
> > >population controls were.
> >

(LARGE SNIP)

>
> Just a sec ::rifles through his Playboys:: Age of consent in the US today
> ranges from 14 (in Hawaii and Pennsylvania) to 18 (Alaska, Arkansas,
> Arizona, California, Florida, Idaho, Illinois, Mississippi, North Dakota,
> Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, Virginia, Wisconsin), with the majority of
> states falling at 16. Contrary to the ruling opinion, I don't think this
> is likely to go down for orks or trolls simply because they mature faster.
> I think it is one part lawmakers not caring much (I get the impression
> that many orks and trolls are SINless, or not frequent voters), one part
> the aspect of mental maturity. A lot more is required to be a consenting
> adult than the ability to get off.

That is a rather simplistic statement of the current state of the law. (If
you really want them I can give you more detialed sitations, but this is
all coming out of chapter 794, Florida Statutes.

At 18 you can consent to any sexual activity.

At 16 or 17 you can consent to sexual activity UNLESS your partner is 24
years or older. If your partner is over 24 you may still consent if the
disabilities of non-age have been removed (either by getting mearried or
by court order).

Finally, if the "victim" is 12 or older and the "offender" is under 18
and
not in a position of "familial or custodial authority" no crime has been
committed.

Given this information, I would argue that the state of the law will not
change. The important thing here is the difference in age - which means
that two 13 years old orcs will not be in danger, but a 32 year old who
decides that 13 year old kids are fun still will be. I find this to be
appropriate.


<<Firearms>>

I did look this up as well while I had the statute books out. Florida does
not allow gun ownership until the age of 18 though possession is legal if
the minor is being supervised by a parent or guardian. Oh, for a concealed
weapons permit, the age is 21.

- Kama
Message no. 2
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Legal Age? [was: Officially...]
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:04:24 -0400
At 04:19 PM 9/15/98 -0400, you wrote:

>That is a rather simplistic statement of the current state of the law. (If
>you really want them I can give you more detialed sitations, but this is
>all coming out of chapter 794, Florida Statutes.
<SNIPPED>

Ah, okay. That makes much more sense. Thanks. I would still say that
there's a good shot that some of the higher end of ages, such as 18, might
drop to 16 for various reasons, but then again, it might not.

><<Firearms>>
>
>I did look this up as well while I had the statute books out. Florida does
>not allow gun ownership until the age of 18 though possession is legal if
>the minor is being supervised by a parent or guardian. Oh, for a concealed
>weapons permit, the age is 21.

I wonder if that's different in those states in which gun ownership isn't
just seen as a right, but something nearly mandatory. I mean states like
Montana or Kentucky or whatever. I could see them having lower ages in
those states. But then again, maybe I'm just being an ignorant city boy.
Factor in increased gun ownership in SR and such...dunno.

Thanks for the legal input.

Erik J.


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Message no. 3
From: Micheal Feeney <Starrngr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Legal Age? [was: Officially...]
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:58:22 EDT
In a message dated 98-09-15 17:04:58 EDT, you write:

<< I wonder if that's different in those states in which gun ownership isn't
just seen as a right, but something nearly mandatory. I mean states like
Montana or Kentucky or whatever. I could see them having lower ages in
those states. But then again, maybe I'm just being an ignorant city boy.
Factor in increased gun ownership in SR and such...dunno. >>

I would expect legislsative gridlock to pretty much keep legal ages where they
are, which is legal adulthood is 18. This would be the legal age at which
one could purchase firearms, sign their own contracts, and give their own
consent about such things. Driving may stay at 16, but many states have
looked at moving it up to 18 to try and cut down on teen driving deaths.
Drinking age remains at 21. Please not that these would be in the USAC
controled areas only. NAN, Tir Tangir, Azatlan, and CAS might all have
different ages. In the end, it comes down to what your GM decides he wants
them to be.
Message no. 4
From: Kama <kama@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Legal Age? [was: Officially...]
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:35:51 -0400
On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Kama wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Nexx wrote:
>
> > ----------

(SNIP)

> >
> > > >> Sexual Consent
> > > >
> > > >You need consent??? From the partner, oh, okay, I get it now.... :P
> > > >Seriously though, if you mean "Parental Consent" or
"Consenting
> > Adults", that
> > > >would vary widely. Also would depend on how strict corporate or
> > governmental
> > > >population controls were.
> > >
>
> (LARGE SNIP)
>
> >
> > Just a sec ::rifles through his Playboys:: Age of consent in the US today
> > ranges from 14 (in Hawaii and Pennsylvania) to 18 (Alaska, Arkansas,
> > Arizona, California, Florida, Idaho, Illinois, Mississippi, North Dakota,
> > Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, Virginia, Wisconsin), with the majority of
> > states falling at 16. Contrary to the ruling opinion, I don't think this
> > is likely to go down for orks or trolls simply because they mature faster.
> > I think it is one part lawmakers not caring much (I get the impression
> > that many orks and trolls are SINless, or not frequent voters), one part
> > the aspect of mental maturity. A lot more is required to be a consenting
> > adult than the ability to get off.
>
> That is a rather simplistic statement of the current state of the law. (If
> you really want them I can give you more detailed citations, but this is
> all coming out of chapter 794, Florida Statutes.
>
> At 18 you can consent to any sexual activity.
>
> At 16 or 17 you can consent to sexual activity UNLESS your partner is 24
> years or older. If your partner is over 24 you may still consent if the
> disabilities of non-age have been removed (either by getting mearried or
> by court order).
>
> Finally, if the "victim" is 12 or older and the "offender" is
under 18 and
> not in a position of "familial or custodial authority" no crime has been
> committed.
>
> Given this information, I would argue that the state of the law will not
> change. The important thing here is the difference in age - which means
> that two 13 years old orcs will not be in danger, but a 32 year old who
> decides that 13 year old kids are fun still will be. I find this to be
> appropriate.
>
>
> - Kama
>

I know - replying to your own message is tacky, but this was the only
message in the thread that included the complete information about sexual
consent laws in Florida.

I was discussing this thread with my spouse last night and a few points
came up. First, if you make the age of sexual consent 18 across the board,
Orcs who are fertile fro 12 to 20 or so have limited ability to reporduce!
Second, while we agreed that it was unlikely that 2060 would see a major
change in this area, we also agreed that Washigton Law would be a better
basis for deciding what was legal in Seattle than Florida Law. So I
did a little research and here it is:

First Degree Rape of a Child occurs when the victem is under 12, not
married to the offender and the offender is at least 24 months older than
the victim. (RCW 9A.44.073)

Second Degree Rape of a Child occurs when the victem is at least 12,
but under 14, not married to the offender and the offender is at least 36
months older than the victim. (RCW 9A.44.076)

Third Degree Rape of a Child occurs when the victim is at least 14,
but under 16, not married to the offender and the offender is at least 48
months older than the victim. (RCW 9A.44.076)

Ther are additional Statutes covering "lesser" crimes like child
molestation, however, the pattern holds true. After the age of 12, some
sexual activity can be consented to, however, the age of the other person
is a factor. After 18 you can consent to anyone.

I maintian that his pattern will continue in the laws of the 2060s. The
age of concent will vary depending of the age of the other person
involved. This will nicely solve the problem of multiple races that mature
at different rates.

- Kama

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