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Message no. 1
From: Shane Courtrille <hardware@*****.com>
Subject: Legality Question...
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:42:38 -0700
What would be the legality of... say taking a SR book and converting it to
HTML format? (Yes I have ALOT of spare time) I doubt it would be doable...
but any ideas?

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Message no. 2
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@************.org>
Subject: Re: Legality Question...
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:27:07 -0500 (EST)
On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Shane Courtrille wrote:

> What would be the legality of... say taking a SR book and converting it to
> HTML format? (Yes I have ALOT of spare time) I doubt it would be doable...
> but any ideas?

It's only legal if you get permission from FASA.

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Message no. 3
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Legality Question...
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:21:46 +0000 (GMT)
|
|On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Shane Courtrille wrote:
|
|> What would be the legality of... say taking a SR book and converting it to
|> HTML format? (Yes I have ALOT of spare time) I doubt it would be doable...
|> but any ideas?
|
| It's only legal if you get permission from FASA.

Which they'd probably deny due to the fact that the books are for sale, and
an internet doc isn't...
(You'd be taking money out of thier pockets)

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Message no. 4
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Legality Question...
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:42:02 +0100
Shane Courtrille said on 11 Jan 96...

> What would be the legality of... say taking a SR book and converting it to
> HTML format? (Yes I have ALOT of spare time) I doubt it would be doable...
> but any ideas?

The same as for putting said book on a photocopier, pressing the "copy"
button, and selling the papers that come out of the machine, I think.

In other words: illegal under most countries' copyright laws.

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Dan Turek)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Sun Feb 10 22:50:01 2002
>From: Adam Jury <adam@************.com>
>
>At 23:58 09/02/2002, Anders wrote:
>
> >Personally, I see nothing morally wrong with Net Publishing stuff that's
>out
> >of print, and that the owners appear to have no intention of reprinting.
>
>Would people stop if FanPro announced a CD compilation of old material was
>coming out?
>
I see nothing wrong with having out of print things available for free on
the 'net. It is a good way of making sure that at least one copy exists. If
one comes into print, the legal owners can request it be taken down, and I
think it then should. Even though I own most of the old books (though I am
missing Threats if anyone has a spare copy) I would pay $10-25 just to have
it on CD since use and wear and tear take their toll (I've rebound the
original Seatlle Sourcebook far too many times, and my new Matrix book
doesn't look like it was made that well since it needs to be rebound and
none of my players have really used it).



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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Sun Feb 10 23:55:01 2002
> my new Matrix book doesn't look like it was made that well since it
needs > to be rebound and none of my players have really used it).

Hmm....mine did that too......thank god there's kinkos that spiral binds
and puts clear plastic sheets over the front and back covers for a
massive $5....if only they had a way to get the title of the book onto
the side of the binding it'd be worth more....
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Chris Beilby)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Mon Feb 11 00:05:01 2002
> > my new Matrix book doesn't look like it was made that well since it
> needs > to be rebound and none of my players have really used it).
>
> Hmm....mine did that too......thank god there's kinkos that spiral binds
> and puts clear plastic sheets over the front and back covers for a
> massive $5....if only they had a way to get the title of the book onto
> the side of the binding it'd be worth more....
>

Likewise. I was fortunate to live just a few blocks from a Staples...
Adam, you guys might want to look into having the books, particularly
Matrix, saddle stiched instead of just perfect bound...
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Mon Feb 11 00:15:01 2002
> Likewise. I was fortunate to live just a few blocks from a Staples...
> Adam, you guys might want to look into having the books, particularly
> Matrix, saddle stiched instead of just perfect bound...

Personally I think it's a great idea to get all of the core books coil
done coil bound because they're easier to reference and it makes it a
lot easier on the book for the ones that get used constantly
Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Mon Feb 11 05:25:01 2002
At 22:07 10/02/2002, Chris Beilby wrote:

>Adam, you guys might want to look into having the books, particularly
>Matrix, saddle stiched instead of just perfect bound...

Totally nothing to do with me; that's all up to Rob [info@************.com]
and the business end of things.

Adam
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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (LeBlanc, Lange)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Mon Feb 11 08:10:01 2002
<SNIP>
... and my new Matrix book doesn't look like it was made that well since it needs to be
rebound and none of my players have really used it).

I thought my copy of this book was the only one that fell COMPLETELY appart...

my SR3 base book isn't faring too well either...
Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (George S Waksman)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Mon Feb 11 11:50:01 2002
"LeBlanc, Lange" wrote:

><SNIP>
>... and my new Matrix book doesn't look like it was made that well since >it needs
to be rebound and none of my players have really used it).
>
>I thought my copy of this book was the only one that fell COMPLETELY >appart...
>
>my SR3 base book isn't faring too well either...
>

Yup, my Matrix did this too, and a few of my other third edition FASA books. But if you
take a moment to look at the bindings of the books you will notice something; 2nd edition
books were all very well bound (none of mine has lost a page yet) the third edition books
were somewhat well bound initially, but went down in quality rapidly until Matrix (worst
of them all), however, the FanPro bindings seem to be much nicer (thicker and more solid),
so we can only hope.

-George Waksman
Message no. 12
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:25:53 -0500
Ok, I'm not sure if it's been answered previously or not but I'm going to
have to ask again for my clarification.

PDF copies of Rulebooks, we've established that you can have them provided
you own the book and you're using it for personal use, as in that manner it
does not infringe on copyrights so long as it's not distributed.

Now, my question is, because I'm possibly being sent to Iraq, I want to put
them on a private server app that I am running, and it will be setup so that
I and only I have access to any areas containing books, the server however
is built for my gaming group so that we can keep in contact with each other
when we're not able to keep playing. Is it breaking the personal use clause
if I don't have the books with me wherever I'm accessing the PDF version of
it from and if not what's the limitation that I've got there, I could put
them all on the laptop I'm taking with me however I feel that the space I'll
need there is a little more important than having ALL of my books with me,
on the other hand, if I need one I'd like to be able to retrieve it and
don't want to take hardcopies of books with me as I more than likely won't
be able to replace them since most of my collection isn't in print anymore.

Do you foresee any problems with this and/or is there someone else that I
should direct this question towards?

Derek
Message no. 13
From: jeremie.bouillon@****.fr (Jeremie Bouillon)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:44:36 +0200
Le 15:25 19/08/2004, Derek Hyde écrivait :
>PDF copies of Rulebooks, we've established that you can have them provided
>you own the book and you're using it for personal use, as in that manner it
>does not infringe on copyrights so long as it's not distributed.

It depend on what citizenship you are( have ?)... by french law for
example, you can't unless you made the .pdf (or whatever) yourself, be the
remote issue is not one.

>Now, my question is, because I'm possibly being sent to Iraq, I want to put
>them on a private server app that I am running, and it will be setup so that
>I and only I have access to any areas containing books

I think that cover it without trouble. I'm not sure for specific law issue,
you need to ask someone knowledgable about your national law on this; but
from a professional/editor point of view that seems to be fair use enough.
Assuming the area is correctly closed to others than you of course (at
least HTTP auth, hidden url is not enough).

>Do you foresee any problems with this and/or is there someone else that I
>should direct this question towards?

You could ask Rob Boyle, but I think he has others things to do right now,
GenCon and all :-)

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Message no. 14
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:48:23 -0500
> It depend on what citizenship you are( have ?)... by french law for
> example, you can't unless you made the .pdf (or whatever) yourself, be the
> remote issue is not one.

US Citizenship, and I'll be scanning in my copies of the books, most likely
putting my autograph inside the front cover and having that in the scan as
well to verify that they're MY copies of the books.....

> I think that cover it without trouble. I'm not sure for specific law issue,
> you need to ask someone knowledgable about your national law on this; but
> from a professional/editor point of view that seems to be fair use enough.
> Assuming the area is correctly closed to others than you of course (at
> least HTTP auth, hidden url is not enough).

It's actually through a server app called KDX, that uses encrypted file
transfers and such, and short of someone getting access to my login/pass
they won't be able to get into the hidden sections of the server.

> You could ask Rob Boyle, but I think he has others things to do right now,
> GenCon and all :-)

Do you happen to have his e-mail address? It's kind of a "hurried" issue
because if I am flying out, it'll be as of the end of this month that I'm no
longer in contact with my books.
Message no. 15
From: jeremie.bouillon@****.fr (Jeremie Bouillon)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:59:37 +0200
Le 19:48 19/08/2004, Derek Hyde écrivait :
>It's actually through a server app called KDX, that uses encrypted file
>transfers and such, and short of someone getting access to my login/pass
>they won't be able to get into the hidden sections of the server.

I think that's overkill for the task, but the better it is, the better it
is :-)

>> You could ask Rob Boyle, but I think he has others things to do right now,
>> GenCon and all :-)

>Do you happen to have his e-mail address? It's kind of a "hurried" issue
>because if I am flying out, it'll be as of the end of this month that I'm no
>longer in contact with my books.

Try info@************.com with an explicit Subject header.

But maybe Adam can answer your question, wait a while to see if he can.


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Message no. 16
From: msde_shadowrn@*****.com (Mark S)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:48:47 -0700 (PDT)
--- Derek Hyde <d_hyde@***.com> wrote:
> Now, my question is, because I'm possibly being sent to Iraq, I want
> to put
> them on a private server app that I am running, and it will be setup
> so that
> I and only I have access to any areas containing books, the server
> however
> is built for my gaming group so that we can keep in contact with each
> other
> when we're not able to keep playing. Is it breaking the personal use
> clause
> if I don't have the books with me wherever I'm accessing the PDF
> version of
> it from and if not what's the limitation that I've got there [snip]

Doesn't sound any different than bringing my MP3 collection to work and
leaving my CDs at home. It should be acceptable use as long as no one
else is poking through your hardcopy at the time and no one else is
accessing the PDFs. I'm no lawyer though.

Mark

PS - Is there a good way of getting my rulebooks in PDF form, or do I
just have to cut the bindings off my books and get to work with a scanner?



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Message no. 17
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:45:36 -0500
> PS - Is there a good way of getting my rulebooks in PDF form, or do I
> just have to cut the bindings off my books and get to work with a scanner?

To answer that one....you can do like I do, take your books to kinkos or
someplace like that and have them coil bound, when you have them coil bound,
all you've gotta do is clip the end, screw out the coil, scan em, then
replace the coil ;)
Message no. 18
From: failhelm@*****.com (failhelm)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:46:34 -0700 (PDT)
--- Mark S <msde_shadowrn@*****.com> wrote:
> PS - Is there a good way of getting my rulebooks in
> PDF form, or do I
> just have to cut the bindings off my books and get
> to work with a scanner?

Good Question.

When you scan the books this way do you need a quality
OCR software or just Adobe. I would be interested in
scanning them to do searches during game play.

- Failhelm
Message no. 19
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:44:21 -0500
My experience so far with ANY documents is that using some form of an OCR
returns the best quality if you intend on putting them together in Adobe
Acrobat Pro, however, if you're going to make them into images and then
assemble them into a PDF in acrobat....if you've got an OCR app, you can
also scan them into quark....and then print to PDF, if you've got those
pieces of software....


> From: failhelm <failhelm@*****.com>
> Reply-To: Shadowrun Discussion <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:46:34 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Shadowrun Discussion <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
> Subject: Re: Legality Question
>
>
> --- Mark S <msde_shadowrn@*****.com> wrote:
>> PS - Is there a good way of getting my rulebooks in
>> PDF form, or do I
>> just have to cut the bindings off my books and get
>> to work with a scanner?
>
> Good Question.
>
> When you scan the books this way do you need a quality
> OCR software or just Adobe. I would be interested in
> scanning them to do searches during game play.
>
> - Failhelm
Message no. 20
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:48:20 +0200
According to Derek Hyde, on Thursday 19 August 2004 15:25 the word on the
street was...

> Now, my question is, because I'm possibly being sent to Iraq, I want to
> put them on a private server app that I am running, and it will be setup
> so that I and only I have access to any areas containing books

My question is why people even ask about this kind of thing at all. You
could just assume that if you don't mention something, you won't get
questions about it, either... :) Or has the US government hired
out-of-work Stasi employees over the past 15 years?

But if you want advice, I'd think that since you own the books regardless
of where you are in the world in relation to them, and you've set the
server up so that only you can reasonably access the PDFs, it'd be OK. If
you want to worry about this, you may also want to worry about someone
breaking into your house and stealing your SR books, making the PDFs you
also own illegal...

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Message no. 21
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:50:27 +0200
According to failhelm, on Friday 20 August 2004 02:46 the word on the
street was...

> When you scan the books this way do you need a quality
> OCR software or just Adobe. I would be interested in
> scanning them to do searches during game play.

If you want to be able to search the files, you'll need to OCR them, it's
that simple :)

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Message no. 22
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:37:30 -0500
>
> My question is why people even ask about this kind of thing at all. You
> could just assume that if you don't mention something, you won't get
> questions about it, either... :) Or has the US government hired
> out-of-work Stasi employees over the past 15 years?

It's not necessarily that I'm worried about being caught, but rather
ensuring that if someone did stumble onto them I don't get in trouble for
what I'm doing, keeping in mind that I'm seeing plenty of people get charged
with piracy and copyright violation, by software companies, the RIAA, and
other groups that're trolling about the internet just dying to find someone
with an archive of data that they can turn over to the original owner of the
data for "legal action"......I'm just trying to do the military thing of
"C.Y.O.A." (Cover Your Own Ass) so that if the issue ever comes up, I'm in
at least a decent place because I've got a good standing defense for what
I'm doing and it's not illegal. And if it is.....I won't put them on the
server....
Message no. 23
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:59:52 -0700
Who has the original deployment question?
--Anders
Message no. 24
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:16:42 +0200
According to Derek Hyde, on Friday 20 August 2004 14:37 the word on the
street was...

> It's not necessarily that I'm worried about being caught, but rather
> ensuring that if someone did stumble onto them I don't get in trouble
> for what I'm doing

In my book, that's being worried about getting caught :)

> keeping in mind that I'm seeing plenty of people get
> charged with piracy and copyright violation, by software companies, the
> RIAA, and other groups that're trolling about the internet just dying to
> find someone with an archive of data that they can turn over to the
> original owner of the data for "legal action"

As a wildly OT question, what do these groups get out of that?

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Message no. 25
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:31:19 +0200
Le 20 août 2004, à 19:16, Gurth a écrit :

>> keeping in mind that I'm seeing plenty of people get
>> charged with piracy and copyright violation, by software companies,
>> the
>> RIAA, and other groups that're trolling about the internet just dying
>> to
>> find someone with an archive of data that they can turn over to the
>> original owner of the data for "legal action"
>
> As a wildly OT question, what do these groups get out of that?

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt...
Yet somehow I have a hard time envisioning Wizkids and/or FanPro suing
you over that matter, Derek. It's not like you're burning CDs with your
scanned books on them and selling them to random people on the
street...

Speaking of which, can't you just scan your books, OCR them and burn
them to CD-Rs? If it's the "access to your website" part that worries
you, I'm sure all the SR3 rule books can fit on a single CD.
(worst-case scenario, you probably have a friend who has a DVD burner,
don't you?)

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Message no. 26
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:32:14 -0500
>> As a wildly OT question, what do these groups get out of that?

RIAA's been suing for over $150,000 on average per case, I believe I saw
once somewhere stating that they were able to sue for up to $20,000 PER MP3
that was illegally acquired.....the only time I've seen anyone take a suit
to court that was more than a few hundred thousand dollars was a friend of
mine who purchased a maxed out Apple xServe RAID with over 3 Terabytes of HD
space and he had all but about half of a terabyte full of nothing but MP3's,
however, he actually won the suit because his roommate was the one that had
made the server accessible to the net, he had ripped all of the music to the
server from legally purchased CD's which he was more than happy to take the
hard copies into the court room when requested to produce proof that the
CD's were legally purchased thereby making the music legal....

> Speaking of which, can't you just scan your books, OCR them and burn
> them to CD-Rs? If it's the "access to your website" part that worries
> you, I'm sure all the SR3 rule books can fit on a single CD.
> (worst-case scenario, you probably have a friend who has a DVD burner,
> don't you?)

DVD burner, no, if I did I'd be a happier person, and regardless, no, the
reason I don't want them on CD/DVD is because if the disc gets scratched (as
they likely will due to the SAND out there) then I'm SOL and have no access
to replace them....
Message no. 27
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:33:30 -0500
> In my book, that's being worried about getting caught :)

Perhaps, but it's also out of a respect for the company which I feel puts
out a good product and deserves to have the money that they are entitled
to...and I don't want to do something if by nature it'll be illegal....
Message no. 28
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:35:43 +0200
According to Derek Hyde, on Saturday 21 August 2004 05:32 the word on the
street was...

> >> As a wildly OT question, what do these groups get out of that?
>
> RIAA's been suing for over $150,000 on average per case

I was more thinking of the ones you mentioned who point breach of copyright
out to the copyright owners so that _they_ can take action. Or are those
lawyers themselves? (I'm so glad that around here, lawyers can't go out
and look for things to do :)

> he had ripped all of the music to the server from legally purchased CD's
> which he was more than happy to take the hard copies into the court room
> when requested to produce proof that the CD's were legally purchased
> thereby making the music legal....

So why are you worried, then? You're saying yourself there's legal
precedent for what you want to do...

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Message no. 29
From: graxius@*****.com (Richard Porter III)
Subject: Legality Question
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:43:23 -0500
Your perposal does not send off any red flags to me (I am in the
Computer Security Profession in RL). I would lock down the App and
insure it is over SSL/TLS... One other option is to deposit them on
your Colo'ed server and use SCP to copy over SSH if you need a book
and then delete it off the local drive when you are done. Personally I
would purchase an External HD at 300Gigs.. Then put everything you
want to consum while over seas on it

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description"-144-356&depa=1

I get all my stuff from newegg.com They are reliable in my experience
and have good prices.

This would be the best way to avoid any real problems. It is also what
I do when I am on travel.

That drive is MAC compatible fellow MAC Warrior (G4 1.5Ghz 15in Powerbook here)
Rich

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:25:53 -0500, Derek Hyde <d_hyde@***.com> wrote:
> Ok, I'm not sure if it's been answered previously or not but I'm going to
> have to ask again for my clarification.
>
> PDF copies of Rulebooks, we've established that you can have them provided
> you own the book and you're using it for personal use, as in that manner it
> does not infringe on copyrights so long as it's not distributed.
>
> Now, my question is, because I'm possibly being sent to Iraq, I want to put
> them on a private server app that I am running, and it will be setup so that
> I and only I have access to any areas containing books, the server however
> is built for my gaming group so that we can keep in contact with each other
> when we're not able to keep playing. Is it breaking the personal use clause
> if I don't have the books with me wherever I'm accessing the PDF version of
> it from and if not what's the limitation that I've got there, I could put
> them all on the laptop I'm taking with me however I feel that the space I'll
> need there is a little more important than having ALL of my books with me,
> on the other hand, if I need one I'd like to be able to retrieve it and
> don't want to take hardcopies of books with me as I more than likely won't
> be able to replace them since most of my collection isn't in print anymore.
>
> Do you foresee any problems with this and/or is there someone else that I
> should direct this question towards?
>
> Derek
>
>

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