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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Dan Turek)
Subject: Leonization (and things you buy from catalogs)
Date: Tue Jun 4 13:05:01 2002
> > 5) Leonization in shaddowtech it says that at the end of the process
>that you end up in a body that is 21 years old but from the novel (burning
>bright) I read that it is not that effective is there any info from the
>other books that I am missing.

>Gurth:

>"Artistic license" covers it, I think.

>Bira <ra002585@**.unicamp.br>
>
>IIRC, this has been scrapped in SR3... But "the truth" about Leonization is
>whatever your GM wants it to be.

Me:
Nothing in the books is going to say "This item sucks" or "guaranteed a 90%

chance you won't turn into a nameless blob of protoplasm". I always use the
books as what the characters usually hear, but if I use it in my campaign
they can dig deeper (for ex. the Ruger Thunderbolt isn't going to be that
great the first couple years it comes out, and since biowear is just being
introduced buying it from less than an A list source may mean it functions
differently, etc.)

I think the main thing is if Everything works just like in the books
something is probably wrong :)

So who on the list plays Paranoia? (my favorite cross gaming source, though
little used)

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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Downtym)
Subject: Leonization (and things you buy from catalogs)
Date: Tue Jun 4 16:00:00 2002
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Dan Turek wrote:

> Me:
> Nothing in the books is going to say "This item sucks" or "guaranteed
a 90%
> chance you won't turn into a nameless blob of protoplasm". I always use the
> books as what the characters usually hear, but if I use it in my campaign
> they can dig deeper (for ex. the Ruger Thunderbolt isn't going to be that
> great the first couple years it comes out, and since biowear is just being
> introduced buying it from less than an A list source may mean it functions
> differently, etc.)

I've always found that doing such things as you've stated usually
results in a very passive-aggressive group that will do everything
they can to give the poor GM (Usually me) a headache. Normally, I
state that what the book says about the 'item' is the word of Gawd. Of
course, if they want to get it, they're gonna have to make a few rolls
and pay out the nose...

> I think the main thing is if Everything works just like in the books
> something is probably wrong :)

Well, IMHO it's okay to do such things if the players buy an item
that's "slightly used", damaged, or whatever. If it doesn't work the
way they expect it to, well...they expected that because it's used.
But doing such things when the runners acquire their gear from the
alpha-ware cyber clinic in Chiba would be a little pushing
it...Normally, I state that anything "shrink-wrapped" will work as
promised by the maker. Anything that isn't is suspect.

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Dan Turek)
Subject: Leonization (and things you buy from catalogs)
Date: Wed Jun 5 09:45:06 2002
>From: Downtym <gte138j@*****.gatech.edu>

>On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Dan Turek wrote:
> > I always use the books as what the characters usually hear, but if I use
>it in my campaign they can dig deeper

>I've always found that doing such things as you've stated usually
>results in a very passive-aggressive group that will do everything
>they can to give the poor GM (Usually me) a headache.

What did they do?

>But doing such things when the runners acquire their gear from the
>alpha-ware cyber clinic in Chiba would be a little pushing
>it...Normally, I state that anything "shrink-wrapped" will work as
>promised by the maker. Anything that isn't is suspect.

If it's a vanilla item or comes from a special clinic it (probably) should
work fine. If it's something obviously unusual (such as move-by-wire) it
will need to be out a few years to work out all the bugs.

Obviously my players are used to dark and twitchy material. Yes, the
super-borg NPC corp samurai have all the flaws too. I hope all future SR
books keep the player info and GM info separate, since I agree it is much
easier to point to the book and say "because they say so". Hiding the nasty
options in back, much like how Target:AL or Shadows of North America do
would be appreciated :)

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Paul J. Adam)
Subject: Leonization (and things you buy from catalogs)
Date: Wed Jun 5 19:05:01 2002
In article <F16qRQtdB3xuv4hh6nB00019363@*******.com>, Dan Turek
<danturek@*******.com> writes
>So who on the list plays Paranoia? (my favorite cross gaming source,
>though little used)

Me! Me! Me! :)

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Paul J. Adam)
Subject: Leonization (and things you buy from catalogs)
Date: Wed Jun 5 19:10:02 2002
In article <Pine.SOL.4.33.0206041553390.26840-100000@*****.gatech.edu>,
Downtym <gte138j@*****.gatech.edu> writes
>I've always found that doing such things as you've stated usually
>results in a very passive-aggressive group that will do everything
>they can to give the poor GM (Usually me) a headache. Normally, I
>state that what the book says about the 'item' is the word of Gawd. Of
>course, if they want to get it, they're gonna have to make a few rolls
>and pay out the nose...

Given that much of the stuff in "the book" is unavailable on the civil
market and is being advertised for sale to corporate and government
bodies, what freelance criminals get hold of may or may not bear much
resemblance to the advertised item even before you get into whether the
catalogue is true.

Remember, many sourcebooks (especially older ones like FoF, Man &
Machine and SSC) are _sales literature_. You trust advertising copy to
be true?

>> I think the main thing is if Everything works just like in the books
>> something is probably wrong :)
>
>Well, IMHO it's okay to do such things if the players buy an item
>that's "slightly used", damaged, or whatever. If it doesn't work the
>way they expect it to, well...they expected that because it's used.
>But doing such things when the runners acquire their gear from the
>alpha-ware cyber clinic in Chiba would be a little pushing
>it...

Do they have real SINs and full end-user permits for the gear they
bought?

No?

Then they can be safely ripped off (other than the risk of direct
reprisal) since no lawyer will defend "I bought illegal cyberware for
unlawful cash using my fake ID in order to further my criminal career,
and I want compensation because it didn't work!"

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Paul J. Adam
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Mark M. Smith)
Subject: Leonization (and things you buy from catalogs)
Date: Thu Jun 6 02:50:01 2002
At 6/5/02 06:03 PM, you wrote:
>In article <F16qRQtdB3xuv4hh6nB00019363@*******.com>, Dan Turek
><danturek@*******.com> writes
>>So who on the list plays Paranoia? (my favorite cross gaming source,
>>though little used)
>
>Me! Me! Me! :)

*Bakes the obvious commie mutant traitor*
Isn't it just great that I was able to better serve the computer? I can't
wait to see what exciting service I'll be able to do for the computer come
next day-cycle.


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belgand@**************.com

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