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Message no. 1
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Let's have a War!
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:12:02 -0500
A while ago I noticed FASA started to have major world events once a
year and ways to explore it. With the Publication of Portfolio of a
Dragon I realized that the UCAS could now be retold as a seperate
sourcebook with points of interest now to help generate enough interest
for sales. Living in the South I wondered what could do the same for us,
and then it came to me - A War! Aztlan has been resting uncomfortably
for a while now and the tension has been growing ever since they took
part of Texas. This was it. I WANT A WAR!!!
To keep with the trend of openess all the changes bring to Shadowrun
this would be a "Silent War," one where no official state of war exists.
For a change of pace, the CAS would be the aggressors instead of the
infamous Aztlan government. To keep support from other countries CAS has
kept their actions secret and deniable. This situation would make for a
great background for shadowrunners, mercs and CAS military groups.
Another element would also be added to Shadowrun, war in the 6th world.
I have declared it my personal campaign to spread the concept of
this "Silent War" to as many players (especially in the South) as I can.
Besides if FASA (hint, hint, Mike) ever published anything on this I
would love to know I started a war. Now if that ain't an acheivement, I
don't know what is.
With the UCAS above wanting us to return (yeah, right), NAN and
Caribean Legue on the sides and Azltan's power base increasing below it
was about time to feel the pressure. I would love to hear from others in
the CAS region (or what used to be) on this idea. It is part of my
background now and would enjoy feedback (any, hey I'm open) on this to
flesh it out even more.




Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal
names more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves,
they answered to another name, because if another discovered their real
name, it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 2
From: Roger An <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:48:28 -0500
How bout a silent war between the UCAS and CAS? I started one in my
campaign and it's been pretty cool. I mean why does everyone always pick
on Atzlan?
Dust
Message no. 3
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:14:01 -0500
>Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
>Sent: 1/9/97 8:48 AM
>Received: 1/9/97 10:46 AM
>From: Roger An, rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG
>Reply-To: Shadowrun Discussion, SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
>To: Shadowrun Discussion, SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
>
>How bout a silent war between the UCAS and CAS? I started one in my
>campaign and it's been pretty cool. I mean why does everyone always pick
>on Atzlan?
Cuz the Azzies play so dirty. Then there's that land issue. I don't
think Texas will ever let that one go. I also feel that UCAS in the end
wouldn't commit to an all out war for reunification. The cost would be
too high as if it wasn't before. Now trying to undermine the CAS so they
would have to rely on the UCAS again just so the UCAS could exploit the
South is a viable background.
The idea of the UCAS wanting the South returned now is more
threatening of what one man in power could attempt to do. For practical
reasons this could never be a full war between the two. And any nation
that liked the unstabalized condition of either nation will help any such
conflict along as it is in their best interest. That also means the the
Azzies would be moving their borders again if the CAS was fighting on
another front. I wouldn't be surprised if the UCAS actually likes the CAS
being a buffer between them.





Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal
names more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves,
they answered to another name, because if another discovered their real
name, it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 4
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:24:24 -0600
At 01:12 AM 1/9/97 -0500, MC23 wrote:
<big snip>
THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!

"I wish I was in the land of cotton,
old times there are not forgotten.
Look away, look away, look away,
Dixieland"

Er, sorry, sometimes I get a little over eager about Southern patriotism. :)

Mike Broadwater
"In the South where I was born,
on a cold and frosty morn.
Look away, look away, look away,
Dixieland

I wish I was in Dixie,
away, away.
In Dixieland I'll take my stand,
to live and die in Dixie
Away, away, away down south in
Dixie."
Message no. 5
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 17:00:51 -0500
At 08:48 AM 1/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>How bout a silent war between the UCAS and CAS? I started one in my
>campaign and it's been pretty cool. I mean why does everyone always pick
>on Atzlan?
> Dust
>
Because Atzlan is full of evil, sicko, Blood-Spirit summoning freaks...

And the CAS is just full of Hicks...:):)

<The above line was just a joke, please take it as such, all you southern
hicks...:)>

Besides, I can see the UCAS going for the Indian Territories before the
CAS... and I can't see them doing much of anything until Bug City is dealt
with. That has got to be tying up a huge amount of UCAS military resources.

Bull
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Message no. 6
From: Steve Collins <steve_collins@********.ALEWIFE.KODAK.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:37:30 U
Mail*Link® SMTP RE>Let's have a War!


>>snip reasons and description of war between Aztlan and The CAS<<

This sounds like a great Idea to me other likely places I can think this =
would go well would be on The Ucas/Quebec and CFS/TT border or if you =
wanted to keep it really small scale maybe highlite the San Fran situation =
with the resistance movement there opening a into full scale guerilla war =
between the Orklanders and the Imperial Marines.

A full scale WWII style war wouldn't be very useful to shadowrunners. Too =
much firepower on both sides for then to even be used effectively as =
special forces. But, a nice little shadow war works wellwith each side =
sending Shadowrunners and Mercenaries into each others back yards to go =
for a knock out blow that will allow a quick 2 or 3 day invasion to =
succeed. This will keep the Corps out of it . Fullscale wars are bad for =
business but this kind of insurgency/counter insurgency just eats up the =
resources of both sides which the Corps would love to provide replacements =
for.

This is a good idea you should pick up on it FasaMike.
Message no. 7
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:46:07 EST
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:48:28 -0500 Roger An <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
writes:
>How bout a silent war between the UCAS and CAS? I started one in my
>campaign and it's been pretty cool. I mean why does everyone always
>pick
>on Atzlan?
> Dust
>
Because Aztlan practices MAJOR blood magic, they're not particularly nice
in general, they're apparently dealing with the Horrors, mostly, they
make for easy-to-hate bad guys:)

Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage
Message no. 8
From: Faux Pas <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:23:51 -0600
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:48:28 -0500 Roger An <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
writes:
>How bout a silent war between the UCAS and CAS? I started one in my
>campaign and it's been pretty cool. I mean why does everyone always
>pick
>on Atzlan?

Because Aztlan is made out as the "bad corporation" (and Ares
Macrotechnology is the "good corporation").


-Thomas Deeny
the Cartoonist at Large's web site is telltale.hart.org

"Ninjas aren't dangerous. They're more afraid of you than you are of them."
-the Tick, "Night of a Million Zillion Ninja"
Message no. 9
From: "Kevin P. Feathers" <Shd0wW0lf@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:39:06 -0500
In a message dated 97-01-09 09:03:22 EST, Dust wrote:

<< How bout a silent war between the UCAS and CAS? I started one in my
campaign and it's been pretty cool. I mean why does everyone always pick
on Atzlan?
Dust
>>



Because the Azzies Suck!!!!!!! Buy American!! Buy Ares!!

Shd0wW0lf
Message no. 10
From: Faux Pas <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:18:41 -0600
At 12:39 AM 1/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-01-09 09:03:22 EST, Dust wrote:
>
><< How bout a silent war between the UCAS and CAS? I started one in my
> campaign and it's been pretty cool. I mean why does everyone always pick
> on Atzlan?
> Dust
> >>
>
>
>
> Because the Azzies Suck!!!!!!! Buy American!! Buy Ares!!
>
>Shd0wW0lf

I rest my case.


-Thomas Deeny
the Cartoonist at Large's web site is telltale.hart.org

"Ninjas aren't dangerous. They're more afraid of you than you are of them."
-the Tick, "Night of a Million Zillion Ninja"
Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:58:53 +0100
Roger An said on 8:48/ 9 Jan 97...

> How bout a silent war between the UCAS and CAS? I started one in my
> campaign and it's been pretty cool. I mean why does everyone always pick
> on Atzlan?

Because they're one of the Bad Guys(tm) :) (Summoning Horrors can't be a
sign of being one of the good guys...)

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Why are these dudes all dressed up in white?
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 12
From: Steve Collins <steve_collins@********.ALEWIFE.KODAK.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:50:20 U
Mail*Link® SMTP RE>>Let's have a War!

> Because the Azzies Suck!!!!!!! Buy American!! Buy Ares!!
>
>Shd0wW0lf

Real shame about shd0wW0lf hittin that patch of Psychotropic IC ain't it =
;)
Message no. 13
From: Steve Kenson <TalonMail@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:09:39 -0500
Rumblings of a possible CAS/Aztlan conflict may find their way into the
material for the Target: UCAS book, depending on the decisions of development
and editorial. Whether or not they'll develop beyond rumor will likely depend
on reader response.

The UCAS isn't going to be starting any wars any time soon. They have enough
internal problems to deal with right now and they need peace more than
anything.

Faux Pas <thomas@*******.COM> wrote:
>Because Aztlan is made out as the "bad corporation" (and Ares

>Macrotechnology is the "good corporation").

...and neither perception is really true.

Steve
Message no. 14
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:42:08 +0100
Steve Kenson said on 10:09/10 Jan 97...

> The UCAS isn't going to be starting any wars any time soon. They have enough
> internal problems to deal with right now and they need peace more than
> anything.

Well... There's nothing like a war to unite people... It's the time
_after_ the war when things get dangerous for the government. Look at the
Gulf War, for example -- there were protests before it began, but when it
got going most of the western world cheered for Bush. It didn't help him
win a second term as US president, though, because by the time elections
rolled around everybody had discovered that they still had it as bad as
before the war.
The same sort of thing is going on in Yugoslavia (Serbia) right now:
during the civil war, people didn't complain because "it's for the war."
Now the war is over, and they see how things really are in their own
country.

If you ask me, war is a good diversion from internal politics, and if
started at the right time it could give you just what you need on the
internal political scene.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Any two can play.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 15
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:58:39 -0500
Gurth wrote,
>If you ask me, war is a good diversion from internal politics, and if
>started at the right time it could give you just what you need on the
>internal political scene.

It's also good for the economy. If you win that is. But again Japan
and then West Germany weren't doing so bad.
B>]#

- MC23, listening to Fear's "Let's Have a War" -
"Should I geletin my hair up? Nah, too 80's"
<grin> "OI!"
Message no. 16
From: Peter Coxon <coxoff@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:17:07 UT
>Because Aztlan practices MAJOR blood magic, they're not particularly nice
>in general, they're apparently dealing with the Horrors, mostly, they
>make for easy-to-hate bad guys:)

>Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage
Yeah But why does that make the bad people.....?
<O0o< alert!!!
tim ntoo
Message no. 17
From: "James Meiers (Specter)" <james@***.UNM.EDU>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:38:16 -0700
On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Gurth wrote:

> If you ask me, war is a good diversion from internal politics, and if
> started at the right time it could give you just what you need on the
> internal political scene.
Wasn't that part of the reason World War II started? I mean, after WWI,
Germany's economy was crushed and the nation was headed down the toilet by
the time Hitler came to power.



James Meiers (Specter) *****http://www.arc.unm.edu/~james*****
"It's all good fun until someone loses an eye. Then it's just fun."-Unknown
Message no. 18
From: "James Meiers (Specter)" <james@***.UNM.EDU>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 16:09:05 -0700
On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Gurth wrote:

> Because they're one of the Bad Guys(tm) :) (Summoning Horrors can't be a
> sign of being one of the good guys...)
Aren't soem of them under the impression that the blood rituals are
actually PROTECTING them from the Tzitzimine?


James Meiers (Specter) *****http://www.arc.unm.edu/~james*****
"It's all good fun until someone loses an eye. Then it's just fun."-Unknown
Message no. 19
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 17:50:44 -0800
On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Gurth wrote:

> If you ask me, war is a good diversion from internal politics, and if
> started at the right time it could give you just what you need on the
> internal political scene.
>
> --
> Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

Now..apply that to Corp politics in SR and you have the makings for a
nifty little series of runs.

~Tim
Message no. 20
From: "Kevin P. Feathers" <Shd0wW0lf@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:29:33 -0500
In a message dated 97-01-10 17:39:57 EST, Specter wrote:

<<
James Meiers (Specter) *****http://www.arc.unm.edu/~james*****
"It's all good fun until someone loses an eye. Then it's just fun."-Unknown
>>


Actually my version is "It's all fun until someone loses an eye, then it's
F**kin hilarious!!!!"


Shd0wW0lf
Message no. 21
From: "Kevin P. Feathers" <Shd0wW0lf@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:35:23 -0500
In a message dated 97-01-10 10:03:06 EST, Steve Collins:

<<
Real shame about shd0wW0lf hittin that patch of Psychotropic IC ain't it ;)
>>
Hey, is it a crime to be American?.....How about the UCAS for the
UCAS!!!!
((Purely rhetorical)):-)
Message no. 22
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 12:07:58 +0100
James Meiers (Specter) said on 15:38/10 Jan 97...

> > If you ask me, war is a good diversion from internal politics, and if
> > started at the right time it could give you just what you need on the
> > internal political scene.
> Wasn't that part of the reason World War II started? I mean, after WWI,
> Germany's economy was crushed and the nation was headed down the toilet
> by the time Hitler came to power.

Hitler was a megalomaniac who actively tried to plunge the world into
another war, because he wanted to be in control of a country at war. He
didn't do it because he wanted to avenge Germany's defeat, or even to win,
he just wanted to fight a war. The fact that Germany was in ruins after
WWI did help him achieve that ambition, though, because he had something
to offer to discontent people -- even though the vast majority didn't
know what he was _really_ out to do; nationalism helps a lot, in any case.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Any two can play.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 23
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 12:35:40 +0000
|
|On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Gurth wrote:
|
|> If you ask me, war is a good diversion from internal politics, and if
|> started at the right time it could give you just what you need on the
|> internal political scene.

|Wasn't that part of the reason World War II started? I mean, after WWI,
|Germany's economy was crushed and the nation was headed down the toilet by
|the time Hitler came to power.

Yeh, but Hitler improved things a LOT economically before the war started....
(If my very shaky history is working)

Then he started blaming all the coutries problems on the Jews.....

Then He invaded Poland....

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Message no. 24
From: "James Meiers (Specter)" <james@***.UNM.EDU>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 10:33:17 -0700
On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Kevin P. Feathers wrote:

> Actually my version is "It's all fun until someone loses an eye, then it's
> F**kin hilarious!!!!"
They one I have is a quote whose author I'm unsure of, but also it is more
easily accepted than yours by some of the people I send email to.


James Meiers (Specter) *****http://www.arc.unm.edu/~james*****
"It's all good fun until someone loses an eye. Then it's just fun."-Unknown
Message no. 25
From: Mark McLaughlin <mmclaugh@*******.EENG.DCU.IE>
Subject: Re: Let's have a War!
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 18:09:31 -0800
James Meiers (Specter) wrote:
>
> On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Kevin P. Feathers wrote:
>
> > Actually my version is "It's all fun until someone loses an eye, then
it's
> > F**kin hilarious!!!!"
> They one I have is a quote whose author I'm unsure of, but also it is more

How about: "Its always funny until someone gets hurt and then its just
hilarius" -: Faith No More, -King for a Day, Fool for a lifetime-.

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