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Message no. 1
From: Amper <amper@****.DATANET.HU>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:37:06 +0100
> Even better, what is a light saber. Is it really made out of light? If
> so, how is it constrained... (my personal favorite light saber idea was
> that the blade consisted of superheated plasma constrained by a
> cylinderical magnetic bottle, but I never could figure out what would
> power the thing...)

The light sabre is really a light sabre. It's made of energiacells,
chips, lazerdiods, a diamond, which focuses the light in a thin bundle,
and other lenses. If more that one diamond are in the sabre, it can be
control the sabre's intensity or length. The ligth comes out throught a
positive charge lens, at the end of the sabre it arches back to the
negative charge ring, which encircle the lens. This ring move the
energie back to the cells, therefore it isn't energy loss. It's like,
than a little, thin fountain.
(from Kevin J. Anderson: Dark Apprentice and an article from a hungarian
fanzine, RUNA)
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Message no. 2
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:48:14 -0500
> > Even better, what is a light saber. Is it really made out of light? If
> > so, how is it constrained... (my personal favorite light saber idea was
> > that the blade consisted of superheated plasma constrained by a
> > cylinderical magnetic bottle, but I never could figure out what would
> > power the thing...)
>
> The light sabre is really a light sabre. It's made of energiacells,
> chips, lazerdiods, a diamond, which focuses the light in a thin bundle,
> and other lenses. If more that one diamond are in the sabre, it can be
> control the sabre's intensity or length. The ligth comes out throught a
> positive charge lens, at the end of the sabre it arches back to the
> negative charge ring, which encircle the lens. This ring move the
> energie back to the cells, therefore it isn't energy loss. It's like,
> than a little, thin fountain.
> (from Kevin J. Anderson: Dark Apprentice and an article from a hungarian
> fanzine, RUNA)

Correct me if I am wrong, but can light even be bent by electric fields.
Even if they could, one would think that it would have to be extremely
powerful fields. That would be a cool side effect...turn out your light
saber, all the electronics around you short out..
Message no. 3
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:49:20 +0100
|Correct me if I am wrong, but can light even be bent by electric fields.

No... Photons are uncharged wavicles bent only by refraction, reflection and
gravity....
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Message no. 4
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:22:33 +1000
> |Correct me if I am wrong, but can light even be bent by electric fields.
>
> No... Photons are uncharged wavicles bent only by refraction, reflection and
> gravity....

Heh... that's another cool concept; Turn on your lightsaber, and the
world collapses on you.
Message no. 5
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:21:50 +1000
> > > Even better, what is a light saber. Is it really made out of light? If
> > > so, how is it constrained... (my personal favorite light saber idea was
> > > that the blade consisted of superheated plasma constrained by a
> > > cylinderical magnetic bottle, but I never could figure out what would
> > > power the thing...)
> >
> > The light sabre is really a light sabre. It's made of energiacells,
> > chips, lazerdiods, a diamond, which focuses the light in a thin bundle,
> > and other lenses. If more that one diamond are in the sabre, it can be
> > control the sabre's intensity or length. The ligth comes out throught a
> > positive charge lens, at the end of the sabre it arches back to the
> > negative charge ring, which encircle the lens. This ring move the
> > energie back to the cells, therefore it isn't energy loss. It's like,
> > than a little, thin fountain.
> > (from Kevin J. Anderson: Dark Apprentice and an article from a hungarian
> > fanzine, RUNA)
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but can light even be bent by electric fields.
> Even if they could, one would think that it would have to be extremely
> powerful fields. That would be a cool side effect...turn out your light
> saber, all the electronics around you short out..
>

Must've really fragged with ole Vadie's life support systems.
Message no. 6
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:12:43 EST
On Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:48:14 -0500 Midn Daniel O Fredrikson
<m992148@****.NAVY.MIL> writes:
<snip>
>Correct me if I am wrong, but can light even be bent by electric
>fields.
>Even if they could, one would think that it would have to be extremely
>powerful fields. That would be a cool side effect...turn out your
>light
>saber, all the electronics around you short out..
>
Light can be bent by a powerful enough magnetic field, but that would be
because a magnetic field is composed of more photons (electromagnetism
and light being the same thing), so the light is just being swept along
in the flow.

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Message no. 7
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:12:43 EST
On Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:37:06 +0100 Amper <amper@****.datanet.hu> writes:
<snip>
>The light sabre is really a light sabre. It's made of energiacells,
>chips, lazerdiods, a diamond, which focuses the light in a thin
>bundle,
>and other lenses. If more that one diamond are in the sabre, it can be
>control the sabre's intensity or length. The ligth comes out throught
>a
>positive charge lens, at the end of the sabre it arches back to the
>negative charge ring, which encircle the lens. This ring move the
>energie back to the cells, therefore it isn't energy loss. It's like,
>than a little, thin fountain.
>(from Kevin J. Anderson: Dark Apprentice and an article from a
>hungarian
>fanzine, RUNA)

Okay...first, if it's light, it isn't going to be bent by a positive or
negative charge...OTOH, if the blade were made of focused electrons,
which shed photons as they slowly lose energy, that would explain many
things (you just couldn't use a diamond to focus it)

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Message no. 8
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:25:12 EST
On Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:22:33 +1000 "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD"
<s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU> writes:
>> |Correct me if I am wrong, but can light even be bent by electric
>fields.
>>
>> No... Photons are uncharged wavicles bent only by refraction,
>reflection and
>> gravity....
>
>Heh... that's another cool concept; Turn on your lightsaber, and the
>world collapses on you.
>

Ouch. That could be a problem:)

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Message no. 9
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:25:13 EST
On Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:21:50 +1000 "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD"
<s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU> writes:
<snip>
>> Correct me if I am wrong, but can light even be bent by electric
>fields.
>> Even if they could, one would think that it would have to be
>extremely
>> powerful fields. That would be a cool side effect...turn out your
>light
>> saber, all the electronics around you short out..
>>
>
>Must've really fragged with ole Vadie's life support systems.
>
LOL! <sound of heavy breathing> Now, young Skywalker, you
will-<gasp><pant>can't breath<gasp><THUMP!>

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Message no. 10
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:46:06 +0100
L Canthros said on 20:25/30 Mar 97...

> >Heh... that's another cool concept; Turn on your lightsaber, and the
> >world collapses on you.
>
> Ouch. That could be a problem:)

And they thought the Death Star was the ultimate weapon...

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Message no. 11
From: Amper <amper@****.DATANET.HU>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:48:40 +0100
> Even better, what is a light saber. Is it really made out of light? If
> so, how is it constrained... (my personal favorite light saber idea was
> that the blade consisted of superheated plasma constrained by a
> cylinderical magnetic bottle, but I never could figure out what would
> power the thing...)

The light sabre is really a light sabre. It's made of energiacells,
chips, lazerdiods, a diamond, which focuses the light in a thin bundle,
and other lenses. If more that one diamond are in the sabre, it can be
control the sabre's intensity or length. The ligth comes out throught a
positive charge lens, at the end of the sabre it arches back to the
negative charge ring, which encircle the lens. This ring move the
energie back to the cells, therefore it isn't energy loss. It's like,
than a little, thin fountain.
(from Kevin J. Anderson: Dark Apprentice and an article from a hungarian
fanzine, RUNA)

Ps: Sorry, if I reply my mail, but I don't sure my mail server. This
server drop me back this mail in two time, and I sent the first throught
an other SMPT Server.
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Message no. 12
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 08:06:29 +0000
> From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: Light Sabre

> |Correct me if I am wrong, but can light even be bent by electric fields.
>
> No... Photons are uncharged wavicles bent only by refraction, reflection and
> gravity....

And how's that affect his statement? Gravity is magnetic in nature
and an "electric field" is magnetic. Light passing through a strong
enough magnetic field should be bent as well.


--Droopy
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Message no. 13
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:47:55 +0100
|
|> From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
|> Subject: Re: Light Sabre
|
|> |Correct me if I am wrong, but can light even be bent by electric fields.
|>
|> No... Photons are uncharged wavicles bent only by refraction, reflection and
|> gravity....
|
|And how's that affect his statement? Gravity is magnetic in nature
|and an "electric field" is magnetic. Light passing through a strong
|enough magnetic field should be bent as well.

?????

Gravity = Magnetism????????

Nope. No similarity whatsoever.
Magnatism and electricity are based soley on the electron.

No-one has managed to isolate, let alone harness a graviton yet.....

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Message no. 14
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:11:15 -0700
Ok I found the info on the Light saber..this is according to a book
called Mechanismo by Harry Harrison published in 1978 [probably
before some of you were born :) ] :
The LightSaber has, in its base, a Nucleonic pill imbedded in a resinated organic
shield [menseric dielectric core] housed in an Exogenerized fibronic
container. Energy is passed from this assembly through degausing
lenses and then multidirectional affiliated transferonic lenses.
These are adjusted using the Neonic control switch [for controlling
polarity of the menseric dielectric core to enable lenses to generate
light waves to specified length and intensity]. This is controls and
tunes the energy using a lobomotic energizer and a directional coil-lateral. The energy
is then passed to Laser generator crystal-rubonic nodules surounded by a directional
coil--sub-horizontal the energy is then passed down a chanel through
a self energizing control coil and then an Inhibitor negativised
hexonic plates assembly and out the nozzel of the saber.

Did that make sense..No..I didn't think so either....But there you
have it...
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Message no. 15
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Light Sabre
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:03:50 -0500
At 11:11 PM 4/2/97 -0700, GRANITE wrote these timeless words:


>Did that make sense..No..I didn't think so either....But there you
>have it...
>
Ugh...

This is what happens when trekkies try to get involved with Star Wars...

<sigh>

Ok... And let's hope this will end the thread (Yeah, right)... Here's the
closest full explanation of how a lightsaber works that you'll get out of
any of the newer, licensed SW Products... and this is a combination of
stuff from the SW RPG, The Young Jedi knights series by Kevin J. Anderson,
and Shadows of the Empire by STeve Perry (?? I think ??)...

Basicallly you have a cylindrical metal tube... YOu hook up a heavy duty,
micro power source, some buttons to control the saber, then get a focusing
gem of some kind... The more pure the gem is, the more powerful and stable
the blade will be (One jedi in training used a flawed Gem, and her Saber
blew up)... Also, the gem determines the color of the blade...

There you go... That's as technical as it really gets, folks...

In a little more detail, the Crystal itself doesn't have to be any
particular kind, though certain gems work much better than others... Plus
they can be synthesized...

Jedi's almost always end up making there own Lightsaber... This is one of
the final tests of Knighthood... (From the RPG and the Young JK Series).

Luke synthesized his own Gem following instructions left to him by Obi-Wan
Kenobi in Ben's old Hut on tatooine... apparently the old Jedi master knew
that Luke would be returning to search for Information and help0, and so
was prepared, and left Luke with several bookws on various Jedi Subjects...
This is wwhere the Green Lightsaber from ROTJ came from... (Shadows of
the Empire).

The Lightsaber can cut through just about anything, except certain
refractive surfaces which can reflect the Light Beams from teh saber (Jedi
Academy Trilogy by Kevin J. Anderson). Luke had to fight a Giant Worm like
cretaure that lived in lava, and his saber was unable to penetrate the
scales, as it reflected off of them, throwing dangerous beams of light
around...

Although the Saber can and will cut through anything, there still has to be
enough force behind the blade to push through the object... Luke Struck
Vader in teh shoulder during the final fight in Empure Strike Back, but
didn't do much more than cut through the armor and singe the shoulder...
This is because luke didn't have enough force to finish the cut, and vader
puwshed him back before he could apply more force...

Also, in Return of teh Jedi, on the Sail Barge above the Sarlacc Pit, Luke
is fighting hordes of Jabba's Thugs, but despite the fact that he's
straking them down left and right, he doesn't slice a single one of them
into several pieces... This is for two reasons... One: Lucas had to keep
it somewhat clean... People getting cut in half would have gotten the
movie an "R" Rating... Two: A jedi abhores needless violence... Luke saw
no need for massive blooodshed, and so "pulled" his cuts, so as not to
Cleave the baddies from head to toe.

The Lightsaber is superheated, and cauterizes wounds immediately. this is
shown in Empire when Lukes Hand gets cut off... No blood... This is
because (As is explained in one of the books, possibly the novelization of
the movie) the Saber Cauterized it instantly...

Well, that's all I can think of at the moment... Mind you, this is the
"Official" and "Semi-Official" stuff... There are Technical journals
and
such out there that try to give more detail to how this stuff works, but
anything in them is made up by the author... This is all that's officially
been said by Lucas so far about how a Saber works, and I don't expect to
see much more, as Lucas is more concerned with Story than Tech Theories...

Hope this helped, now let's get back to SR...

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what it's for...:]

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