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Message no. 1
From: GKoth2258@***.com
Subject: Like MacArthur...
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:12:12 -0500
...I have returned! Good to see that Mr. Milliken and the Stainless Rat are
still around, expounding logic [or so they claim...;-)].

Several Items or Thoughts of Note:

Yes, the Horrors, or the Enemy as they are properly referred to in Shadowrun,
have returned and are now clearly a part of the "peripherary" of the SR
world. It remains to be seen how involved they will become.

The new SR fiction novel should be out _VERY_ soon. Unfortunately, I forget
the title, but it will be out, my guess, by Thanksgiving.

VIRTUAL REALITIES 2.0 should be out almost _anytime_ now. It appeared in the
FASA offices last week, meaning I expect to find it in my local hobby shop
possibly today, more likely in time for Thanksgiving.

AWAKENINGS, what was previously known as the Neo-Anarchists Guide to Magic,
is scheduled to show up at the FASA offices Dec.8, which means that we should
have it in our hot little hands in time for Christmas. Isn't FASA being so
nice to us with these holiday releases?

The CALIFORNIA FREE STATE Sourcebook is scheduled to be finished and released
sometime around February or March, nothing of a definite nature yet. Must
still be in the writing stage.

It's good to be back.

The _former_ list.member.grumpy

Erik Jameson

"Weep for the future Na'Toth, weep for us all."
Message no. 2
From: Rick Jones <rick@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:36:14 -0600 (CST)
GKoth2258@***.com wrote:
> The new SR fiction novel should be out _VERY_ soon. Unfortunately, I forget
> the title, but it will be out, my guess, by Thanksgiving.

"Just Compensation" by Robert (Secrets of Power, Never Trust An Elf) Charette.

FYI, Mike Mullvaney (or however you spell his name) is back on AOL as
FASA Mike, ready to answer the hoards of questions on the FASA board.
(If he can find them, wading through the Battletech questions. Oy.)

--
Rick Jones You don't eat crackers in the bed of your future
rick@******.com or you get all...scratchy.
Meyrick@***.com --Tick, The Tick vs The Idea Men
http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/
Message no. 3
From: "Damion Milliken" <adm82@***.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:03:34 +1100 (EST)
GKoth2258@***.com writes:

> ...I have returned!

Whoaa! <And there was much rejoicing, jumping up and down and clapping of
hands> :-)

> Good to see that Mr. Milliken and the Stainless Rat are still around,
> expounding logic [or so they claim...;-)].

Actually, Rat's been here all along, I just returned from a long lurking
siesta 3 days ago. :-)

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Message no. 4
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 15:49:09 +0100
GKoth2258@***.com said on17 Nov 95...

> ...I have returned! Good to see that Mr. Milliken and the Stainless Rat
> are still around, expounding logic [or so they claim...;-)].

Damion, well, yeah, he's back too, of sorts :)

> The new SR fiction novel should be out _VERY_ soon. Unfortunately, I forget
> the title, but it will be out, my guess, by Thanksgiving.

Just for us savages, when _is_ Thanksgiving exactly? 14 February? 31
Octobter? 25 December? 30 April? 5 May? :)

> It's good to be back.
>
> The _former_ list.member.grumpy
>
> Erik Jameson

Come on, it won't take long to get back into the habit :)

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they'll probably all be doctors and lawyers someday.
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Message no. 5
From: Nathan Walker <NTWALKER@******.SUNYGENESEE.CC.NY.US>
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 12:41:53 -0500 (EST)
Klingon Name: Captain K'vort, Commander, DSF C7 "Victory"
MIME: We shoot them here.

From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
>> The new SR fiction novel should be out _VERY_ soon. Unfortunately, I forget
>> the title, but it will be out, my guess, by Thanksgiving.
>
>Just for us savages, when _is_ Thanksgiving exactly? 14 February? 31
>Octobter? 25 December? 30 April? 5 May? :)

Ummm...uhhhh... *shuffles through a clendar that is still on may* it's...
November 23!

Just don't ask what a turkey is or I'll have to hurt you...

Okay, now (maybe) for something shdaowrun related!

I got my "Popular Mechanics" the yesterday (It's a geek magazine) and I
saw something in it I thought was really cool. It's an article about
"smart guns" which will only be able to fire if the owner of the gun is
holding it. I just thought this was kind of an interesting forerunner to
smartlinks, and I wondered if maybe there was any way to do something of
the sort on a SR gun. There probably woundn't be all that much call for
it, but it might be a little enhancement for the Sec gaurds...

Another thing: I want to know more about those wars that happened over
there in Europe. I've actually gotten my campaign to the point where
my players are writing up characters, and one of them is a merc and I'm
looking for places he might have been before now...

If anyone can give me a little bit, or tell me if there's a book with
some info, I would be most appreciative.

>>>>>>> Nate
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Message no. 6
From: sedahdro@*****.com (Victor Rodriguez, Jr)
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 95 15:45 EST
>Just for us savages, when _is_ Thanksgiving exactly? 14 February? 31
>Octobter? 25 December? 30 April? 5 May? :)
None of the above it is on the fourth thursday of November. This year it is
23 November (For us americans read that November 23). :) Just a note to the
americans (U.S.A. not continent) on this list: Remember our European and
non American friends do not celebrate the same National Holidays that we do
(thanksgiving, fourth of July, etc).
---Sedah Drol

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Message no. 7
From: sedahdro@*****.com (Victor Rodriguez, Jr)
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 95 15:51 EST
>I got my "Popular Mechanics" the yesterday (It's a geek magazine) and I
>saw something in it I thought was really cool. It's an article about
>"smart guns" which will only be able to fire if the owner of the gun is
>holding it. I just thought this was kind of an interesting forerunner to
>smartlinks, and I wondered if maybe there was any way to do something of
>the sort on a SR gun. There probably woundn't be all that much call for
>it, but it might be a little enhancement for the Sec gaurds...
If your GM allows allows it, a smartgun link could be capable of doing so
using the similar arguement of the image recognition feature (GM's rule) of
the smartgun.

>Another thing: I want to know more about those wars that happened over
>there in Europe. I've actually gotten my campaign to the point where
>my players are writing up characters, and one of them is a merc and I'm
>looking for places he might have been before now...
>
>If anyone can give me a little bit, or tell me if there's a book with
>some info, I would be most appreciative.
Check out the German Source book, I believe there is info in that also read
the SR book it also has some information.
---Sedah Drol
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Message no. 8
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:32:01 +0100
Victor Rodriguez, Jr said on18 Nov 95...

> > an article about
> >"smart guns" which will only be able to fire if the owner of the gun is
> >holding it. I just thought this was kind of an interesting forerunner to
> >smartlinks, and I wondered if maybe there was any way to do something of
> >the sort on a SR gun. There probably woundn't be all that much call for
> >it, but it might be a little enhancement for the Sec gaurds...
> If your GM allows allows it, a smartgun link could be capable of doing so
> using the similar arguement of the image recognition feature (GM's rule) of
> the smartgun.

CorpSec has something like this -- Individualized Biometric Safety (IBS).
They build a palm-scanner into the grip of the weapon and place an image
of the user's palm into a non-readable chip in the scanner. Now if anyone
but the intended user grips the weapon, it won't fire. People with
cyberarms can have a chip implanted in the hand, and the IBS is then
programmed to recognize that chip.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Here I go, go again, little things never seem to end
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Character Mortuary: http://huizen.dds.nl/~mortuary/~mortuary.html <-

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Message no. 9
From: Gallas William <gallas@**.ec-lyon.fr>
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 95 15:16:38 MET
> Rick:
> > GKoth2258@***.com wrote:
> > The new SR fiction novel should be out _VERY_ soon. Unfortunately, I forget
> > the title, but it will be out, my guess, by Thanksgiving.
>
> "Just Compensation" by Robert (Secrets of Power, Never Trust An Elf)
Charette.
>
> FYI, Mike Mullvaney (or however you spell his name) is back on AOL as
> FASA Mike, ready to answer the hoards of questions on the FASA board.
> (If he can find them, wading through the Battletech questions. Oy.)
>
> --
> Rick Jones You don't eat crackers in the bed of your future
> rick@******.com or you get all...scratchy.
> Meyrick@***.com --Tick, The Tick vs The Idea Men
> http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/

Question to Mike:
Can you ground a physical spell through a quickened spell *grin*.

- Cobra.

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Message no. 10
From: "Damion Milliken" <adm82@***.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:35:30 +1100 (EST)
Gurth writes:

> CorpSec has something like this -- Individualized Biometric Safety (IBS).
> They build a palm-scanner into the grip of the weapon and place an image
> of the user's palm into a non-readable chip in the scanner. Now if anyone
^^^^^^^^^^^^
> but the intended user grips the weapon, it won't fire. People with
> cyberarms can have a chip implanted in the hand, and the IBS is then
> programmed to recognize that chip.

Doesn't that sound a little self defeating? I mean, if the chip is
_non_-readable, then what's the use of it? The scanner can't read it to
compare it to the real thing! %-)

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Message no. 11
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:57:42 +0100
Damion Milliken said on19 Nov 95...

> Gurth writes:
>
> > CorpSec has something like this -- Individualized Biometric Safety (IBS).
> > They build a palm-scanner into the grip of the weapon and place an image
> > of the user's palm into a non-readable chip in the scanner. Now if anyone
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Doesn't that sound a little self defeating? I mean, if the chip is
> _non_-readable, then what's the use of it? The scanner can't read it to
> compare it to the real thing! %-)

Damn you Damion :) Non-writable (or whatever the good word for that is) I
meant... a WORM was once the term for such a thing, I think...

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Message no. 12
From: W.Blount@*******.anu.edu.au (Warwick)
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:54:10 +1000
> CorpSec has something like this -- Individualized Biometric Safety (IBS).
> They build a palm-scanner into the grip of the weapon and place an image
> of the user's palm into a non-readable chip in the scanner. Now if anyone
> but the intended user grips the weapon, it won't fire. People with
> cyberarms can have a chip implanted in the hand, and the IBS is then
> programmed to recognize that chip.


But can you give it some _REALLY_ neat security features?. . Electrocuting
anyone but the intended user, for instance?
Message no. 13
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Like MacArthur...
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:10:44 +0100
Warwick said on22 Nov 95...

[IBS]
> But can you give it some _REALLY_ neat security features?. . Electrocuting
> anyone but the intended user, for instance?

Not as described in CorpSec, but I'm sure you could tinker with the device
until it does just that. Take some bits from a stun baton and wire them into
your gun, make an Electronics B/R test, TN 5 or so should do the trick I think,
reprogram the software a bit (Computer (Software) test, TN 4?) and it shocks
the hell out of anyone but the intended user.

Then this made me remember a question I had a few days back: the IBS is
basically a palm scanner, but why doesn't it use the rules for those? Normal
palm scanners for opening locks etc. have ratings and you can fool them.
There's no way to fool an IBS unless you remove the chip and put a new one
in...

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there's a hope please send it faster don't forget to pass a riot
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