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Message no. 1
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:44:44 -0400
Has anyone [that's you, Admin and GridSec] figured out why the list keeps
sending doubles and dropping posts? Just curious.
Message no. 2
From: dbuehrer@****.org dbuehrer@****.org
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:54:49 -0600
abortion_engine wrote:
\ Has anyone [that's you, Admin and GridSec] figured out why the list keeps
\ sending doubles and dropping posts? Just curious.

AFAIK, Adam is aware of it. I'm also hoping that Mark is aware of it. I
don't know if they've found the problem yet.

FWIW, it might not have anything to do with the list software. Remember,
another huricane just brushed the East coast of the US, and emails passing
through that part of the country are probably bouncing around. (The
listserv is in Washington, D.C.) I've definitely noticed some odd lags
(I'm getting the answer to a question before the question) that I'm
attributing to East coast problems.

On the other hand, the Mailman Lite may be a little buggy...

My advice: patience. Something like this happens about every six months.
It will pass :)

-Graht
Your friendly neighborhood ShadowRN GridSec Assistant
--
Other GridSec Assistants
-Dvixen <dvixen@****.com>
-Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
-Marc Renouf <renouf@********.com>
ShadowRN Admin
-Adam Jury <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
ShadowRN Owner
-Mark Imbriaco <mark@*********.html.com, mark.imbriaco@*****.com>
ShadowRN FAQ
http://shadowrun.html.com/hlair/showfaq.php3?title=shadowrn&faqlistúqsrn
Message no. 3
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:07:44 -0600
At 09:54 19/10/99 -0600, dbuehrer@****.org wrote:
>abortion_engine wrote:
>\ Has anyone [that's you, Admin and GridSec] figured out why the list keeps
>\ sending doubles and dropping posts? Just curious.
>
>AFAIK, Adam is aware of it. I'm also hoping that Mark is aware of it. I
>don't know if they've found the problem yet.

The maintainer of MailMan is aware of the problem - it has occured on his
own lists - and is looking into the solution. When that arrives we should
be upgrading ASAP.

Adam
12... hour.. grind..
< http://shadowrun.html.com/tss / adamj@*********.html.com / ICQ# 2350330 >
Message no. 4
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:34:47 +0200
According to abortion_engine, at 10:44 on 19 Oct 99, the word on
the street was...

> Has anyone [that's you, Admin and GridSec] figured out why the list keeps
> sending doubles and dropping posts? Just curious.

Speaking for GridSec, that's not really our concern, nor within our
ability to fix... It's Adam's (and Mark's) job to keep the list running
smoothly -- he/they deal(s) with electronic problems, as it were, while
GridSec deals with human problems. GridSec can't do anything about double
posts if we wanted to.

(I should note that this problem seems to be peculiar to some people, BTW.
I myself get the occasional double message, but almost never more than one
every couple of days. Some people, though, apparently get almost every
message double. I have no idea what causes this :( )

--
Gurth@******.nl, ShadowRN GridSec: Enforcer Division
The ShadowRN FAQ: http://shadowrun.html.com/hlair/faqindex.php3
The NERPS FAQ: http://shadowrun.html.com/nerps/
Other GridSec members: Dvixen <dvixen@****.com>
Graht <graht@**********.worldnet.att.net>
Marc Renouf <renouf@********.com>
List Administrator: Adam Jury <adamj@*********.html.com>
List Owner: Mark Imbriaco <mark.imbriaco@*****.com>
Message no. 5
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:50:01 -0400
> abortion_engine wrote:
> \ Has anyone [that's you, Admin and GridSec] figured out why the list
keeps
> \ sending doubles and dropping posts? Just curious.
>
> AFAIK, Adam is aware of it. I'm also hoping that Mark is aware of it. I
> don't know if they've found the problem yet.
>
> FWIW, it might not have anything to do with the list software. Remember,
> another huricane just brushed the East coast of the US, and emails passing
> through that part of the country are probably bouncing around. (The
> listserv is in Washington, D.C.) I've definitely noticed some odd lags
> (I'm getting the answer to a question before the question) that I'm
> attributing to East coast problems.
>
> On the other hand, the Mailman Lite may be a little buggy...
>
> My advice: patience. Something like this happens about every six months.
> It will pass :)
>
Well, maybe Adam can do something about the hurricane. If not, I'm sure Mark
will see what he can do.

Or, maybe we could all pitch in and buy the full version.

Whatever; it's not like it bothers me much.
Message no. 6
From: Mark A Shieh SHODAN+@***.EDU
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:55:16 -0400 (EDT)
"Gurth" <gurth@******.nl> writes:
> According to abortion_engine, at 10:44 on 19 Oct 99, the word on
> the street was...
>
> > Has anyone [that's you, Admin and GridSec] figured out why the list keeps
> > sending doubles and dropping posts? Just curious.
>
> (I should note that this problem seems to be peculiar to some people, BTW.
> I myself get the occasional double message, but almost never more than one
> every couple of days. Some people, though, apparently get almost every
> message double. I have no idea what causes this :( )

I don't have the problem most of the time, except when I get
positively flooded with old messages. I've noticed that my mail
reader has deleted duplicate messages on occasion, so if they both
show up before I check my mail, I don't see both of them. Oddly
enough, a disproportionate number of the duplicates I see deleted seem
to come from docwagon101@*****.com... I wonder if he's testing out
another way of increasing noise to signal ratio...

Mark
Message no. 7
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:53:54 -0700
>
>(I should note that this problem seems to be peculiar to some people, BTW.
>I myself get the occasional double message, but almost never more than one
>every couple of days. Some people, though, apparently get almost every
>message double. I have no idea what causes this :( )
>

check to see if your replying to all, it may double the post that way, you
may also be bccing or cc'ing yourself unknowlingly, some mailers do that by
default.

--lomion
Message no. 8
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:02:40 -0400
> > > Has anyone [that's you, Admin and GridSec] figured out why the list
keeps
> > > sending doubles and dropping posts? Just curious.
> >
> > (I should note that this problem seems to be peculiar to some people,
BTW.
> > I myself get the occasional double message, but almost never more than
one
> > every couple of days. Some people, though, apparently get almost every
> > message double. I have no idea what causes this :( )
>
> I don't have the problem most of the time, except when I get
> positively flooded with old messages. I've noticed that my mail
> reader has deleted duplicate messages on occasion, so if they both
> show up before I check my mail, I don't see both of them. Oddly
> enough, a disproportionate number of the duplicates I see deleted seem
> to come from docwagon101@*****.com... I wonder if he's testing out
> another way of increasing noise to signal ratio...
>
Amusingly enough, I recently received a message Dvixen had sent me three
_months_ prior to its receipt. But that wasn't even a list message--just
Hotmail hiccupping. [Or @****.] But I get an absurd number of posts that are
days or weeks old. I think that, at least, is my e-mail server. If I wasn't
so paranoid, I'd just use my personal e-mail, not this freemail garbage.
Message no. 9
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:49:33 -0600
At 13:50 19/10/99 -0400, abortion_engine wrote:

>Or, maybe we could all pitch in and buy the full version.

There is no full version. Mainman is free Open Source GPL'ed software,
supported by the community..

Adam
< http://shadowrun.html.com/tss / adamj@*********.html.com / ICQ# 2350330 >
Message no. 10
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:04:29 -0700 (PDT)
<Snippola(TM)>
> I don't have the problem most of the time, except
when I get positively flooded with old messages. I've
noticed that my mail reader has deleted duplicate
messages on occasion, so if they both show up before I
check my mail, I don't see both of them. Oddly
enough, a disproportionate number of the duplicates I
see deleted seem to come from docwagon101@*****.com...
I wonder if he's testing out another way of
increasing noise to signal ratio...
> Mark

Hey man, don't profane the name!

And shut up about the tests, or I'll have to sick my
Mob pals on ya.

8-)

Seriously, though, I seem to be getting a lot of
doubles from most people. And no, I'm not doing
anything quirky that would be sending people doubles.
Not that I'm aware of, anyway. And I use reply, not
reply all, so that's not it.

*Doc' smiles weakly. "No, really. It's not my fault.
And I'm sticking with that story!"*

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

.sig Sauer
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Message no. 11
From: Gordon McCormick gmcc@*********.ie
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:26:49 +0100
Adam J wrote:
>
> At 13:50 19/10/99 -0400, abortion_engine wrote:
>
> >Or, maybe we could all pitch in and buy the full version.
>
> There is no full version. Mainman is free Open Source GPL'ed software,
> supported by the community..

Normally I only use free Open Source stuff, but
oooh, if only we could buy listserv, it's so nice!
I use Listserv Lite and it works wonderfully, the
archiving is the nicest part IMHO - pity it wouldn't
work for shadowrn - too many subscribers for the limits
they put on it :(

gordon
Message no. 12
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:30:27 -0400
> >Or, maybe we could all pitch in and buy the full version.
>
> There is no full version. Mainman is free Open Source GPL'ed software,
> supported by the community..
>
Oh. Maybe we could pitch in and reprogram it. :)
Message no. 13
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:00:22 -0600
At 10:26 20/10/99 +0100, Gordon McCormick wrote:

>Normally I only use free Open Source stuff, but
>oooh, if only we could buy listserv, it's so nice!
>I use Listserv Lite and it works wonderfully, the
>archiving is the nicest part IMHO - pity it wouldn't
>work for shadowrn - too many subscribers for the limits
>they put on it :(

We just pitched Listserv Lite for that very reason, in January.

Adam
< http://shadowrun.html.com/tss / adamj@*********.html.com / ICQ# 2350330 >
Message no. 14
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: List Behavior
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:02:27 -0600
At 08:30 20/10/99 -0400, abortion_engine wrote:

>> There is no full version. Mainman is free Open Source GPL'ed software,
>> supported by the community..
>>
>Oh. Maybe we could pitch in and reprogram it. :)

Go for it. www.list.org :-)

Adam
Who does intend to learn Python one of these years, but is too beet at the
moment to even think about it.
< http://shadowrun.html.com/tss / adamj@*********.html.com / ICQ# 2350330 >

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