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Message no. 1
From: DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com (Da Twink Daddy)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:09:58 -0600
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Are signed messages, like this, acceptable on the list?

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Message no. 2
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:13:00 -0700
On 3/27/06, Da Twink Daddy <DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com> wrote:
> Are signed messages, like this, acceptable on the list?

Well, Gmail didn't have a problem with it.

Did anyone have a problem readying Twink Daddy's email?

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-Graht
Message no. 3
From: raymacey@*****.com (Ray Macey)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:15:11 +1000
On 3/28/06, Da Twink Daddy <DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com> wrote:
> Are signed messages, like this, acceptable on the list?

Signed messages?

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Message no. 4
From: matthew.compton@*****.com (Matt)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:28:22 -0800
On 3/27/06, Graht <graht1@*****.com> wrote:
> On 3/27/06, Da Twink Daddy <DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com> wrote:
> > Are signed messages, like this, acceptable on the list?
>
> Well, Gmail didn't have a problem with it.
>
> Did anyone have a problem readying Twink Daddy's email?
>
> --
> -Graht
>

I didn't see a signature on his email.



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Message no. 5
From: DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com (Da Twink Daddy)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:31:34 -0600
On Monday 27 March 2006 17:13, Graht <graht1@*****.com> wrote about 'Re:
List Etiquette Question':
> On 3/27/06, Da Twink Daddy <DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com> wrote:
> > Are signed messages, like this, acceptable on the list?
>
> Did anyone have a problem readying Twink Daddy's email?

Actually, it didn't come through right, I guess; I didn't see my signature
when I got my own mail. I was specifically talking about inline or S/MIME
OpenPGP or GnuPG signatures.

I had my client set to automatically sign messages, and being the forgetful
person I am, I want to make sure it would be okay if I forgot to remove it
from message to the list. Of course, it turns out my client is smarter
than me and doesn't even attempt to sign messages to this list, for
whatever reason.

Still, for future reference, is PGP/GPG cool on the list, or is it better
to just leave them off?

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ICQ: 514984 (Da Twink Daddy) YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy
Message no. 6
From: sfeley@*****.com (Stephen Eley)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:03:33 -0500
On 3/27/06, Da Twink Daddy <DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com> wrote:
>
> Still, for future reference, is PGP/GPG cool on the list, or is it better
> to just leave them off?

Unless you encrypt your message so it's unreadable, I doubt anyone
would care one way or the other. As extra length goes it's a lot less
obnoxious than some of the 15- or 20-line signatures some people have.

I do think it's sort of odd, though, that with a name like Da Twink
Daddy you'd be so concerned about verifying your identity. Are there
that many other Twink Daddies out there coveting your title and
colloquial definite article? Are they plotting to assume your life
and raise your Twink Children as their own?


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Steve Eley (sfeley@*****.com)
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Message no. 7
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:11:49 -0700
On 3/27/06, Da Twink Daddy <DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com> wrote:
> On Monday 27 March 2006 17:13, Graht <graht1@*****.com> wrote about 'Re:
> List Etiquette Question':
> > On 3/27/06, Da Twink Daddy <DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com> wrote:
> > > Are signed messages, like this, acceptable on the list?
> >
> > Did anyone have a problem readying Twink Daddy's email?
>
> Actually, it didn't come through right, I guess; I didn't see my signature
> when I got my own mail. I was specifically talking about inline or S/MIME
> OpenPGP or GnuPG signatures.
>
> I had my client set to automatically sign messages, and being the forgetful
> person I am, I want to make sure it would be okay if I forgot to remove it
> from message to the list. Of course, it turns out my client is smarter
> than me and doesn't even attempt to sign messages to this list, for
> whatever reason.
>
> Still, for future reference, is PGP/GPG cool on the list, or is it better
> to just leave them off?

Heh, I remember a time when you could hardly turn your head on the
list without seeing a PGP signature :)

Yeah, they're okay :)

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-Graht
Message no. 8
From: l-hansen@*****.tele.dk (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:00:15 +0200
From: "Graht" <graht1@*****.com>
> On 3/27/06, Da Twink Daddy <DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com> wrote:
>> Are signed messages, like this, acceptable on the list?
>
> Well, Gmail didn't have a problem with it.
>
> Did anyone have a problem readying Twink Daddy's email?

All I saw (using OE6.0) was en empty e-mail with a plain .txt attachment.
The .txt attachment had Twink Daddys message included, but opened without
problems.

Lars
Message no. 9
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:33:59 -0700
On 3/27/06, Lars Wagner Hansen <l-hansen@*****.tele.dk> wrote:
> From: "Graht" <graht1@*****.com>
> > On 3/27/06, Da Twink Daddy <DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com> wrote:
> >> Are signed messages, like this, acceptable on the list?
> >
> > Well, Gmail didn't have a problem with it.
> >
> > Did anyone have a problem readying Twink Daddy's email?
>
> All I saw (using OE6.0) was en empty e-mail with a plain .txt attachment.
> The .txt attachment had Twink Daddys message included, but opened without
> problems.

Hmm... if it's coming across as an attachment for some mail programs,
then it's not okay. Since it's a bitty txt attachment you'll probably
get thwapped if you slip and forget, but try to avoid using your pgp
sig/attachment if you can Twink :)

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-Graht
Message no. 10
From: DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com (Da Twink Daddy)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:52:48 -0600
On Monday 27 March 2006 23:33, Graht <graht1@*****.com> wrote about 'Re:
List Etiquette Question':
> On 3/27/06, Lars Wagner Hansen <l-hansen@*****.tele.dk> wrote:
> > All I saw (using OE6.0) was en empty e-mail with a plain .txt
> > attachment. The .txt attachment had Twink Daddys message included, but
> > opened without problems.
>
> Hmm... if it's coming across as an attachment for some mail programs,
> then it's not okay. Since it's a bitty txt attachment you'll probably
> get thwapped if you slip and forget, but try to avoid using your pgp
> sig/attachment if you can Twink :)

Good; this was the type of feedback I wanted. While I have a modern email
client that can render HTML, handles attachments sanely, and has built-in
support for all kinds of fancy stuff, I don't want to cause a problem for
ANYONE on the list reading my posts, even if they just telnet into their
POP server or use cat to read their mbox files. :)

I'll make sure PGP is disabled for anything I send to the list.

Thanks all.

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Da Twink Daddy
DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com
ICQ: 514984 (Da Twink Daddy) YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy
Message no. 11
From: scott@**********.com (Scott Harrison)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:16:34 +0200
On Mar 28, 2006, at 7:52 , Da Twink Daddy wrote:

> On Monday 27 March 2006 23:33, Graht <graht1@*****.com> wrote about
> 'Re:
> List Etiquette Question':
>> On 3/27/06, Lars Wagner Hansen <l-hansen@*****.tele.dk> wrote:
>>> All I saw (using OE6.0) was en empty e-mail with a plain .txt
>>> attachment. The .txt attachment had Twink Daddys message
>>> included, but
>>> opened without problems.
>>
>> Hmm... if it's coming across as an attachment for some mail programs,
>> then it's not okay. Since it's a bitty txt attachment you'll
>> probably
>> get thwapped if you slip and forget, but try to avoid using your pgp
>> sig/attachment if you can Twink :)
>
> Good; this was the type of feedback I wanted. While I have a
> modern email
> client that can render HTML, handles attachments sanely, and has
> built-in
> support for all kinds of fancy stuff, I don't want to cause a
> problem for
> ANYONE on the list reading my posts, even if they just telnet into
> their
> POP server or use cat to read their mbox files. :)
>
> I'll make sure PGP is disabled for anything I send to the list.
>

I believe when I sign mails using Mac's Mail.app that some mail
readers treat the signature portion of the message as an attachment.
Therefore, I try to remember not to sign mails (like this one should
not be signed) when mailing to this list. I believe the
interpretation of the signature is up to the mail reader. Therefore,
we get some users that see them as attachments, and some readers that
are presented with a header that indicates that it is signed
properly. Actually for the person that reads the straight mail file
it is just a bunch of text at the bottom of the message, so is not a
problem. Personally I would say we should allow these types of
things, but since we live with the lowest common denominator we will
have to disallow them.

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Harrison
Message no. 12
From: sfeley@*****.com (Stephen Eley)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:25:13 -0500
On 3/28/06, Scott Harrison <scott@**********.com> wrote:
>
> Personally I would say we should allow these types of
> things, but since we live with the lowest common denominator we will
> have to disallow them.

My own opinion is that these sorts of questions bear serious
consideration when -- and only when -- there's so much
Shadowrun-related mail coming through the list that people have
trouble managing it all.

Is that a problem for anyone right now? Anyone so swamped with the
flood of game discussion that you need help keeping track?

(*sound of crickets*)


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Steve Eley (sfeley@*****.com)
ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
http://www.escapepod.org
Message no. 13
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:59:51 +0200
According to Graht, on 28-3-06 06:11 the word on the street was...

> Heh, I remember a time when you could hardly turn your head on the
> list without seeing a PGP signature :)

But that was when half the population of this list were people like Rob
Hayden and JD Falk, who were pretty deep in the whole EFF etc. thing :)

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Message no. 14
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:06:20 -0700
On 3/28/06, Stephen Eley <sfeley@*****.com> wrote:
> On 3/28/06, Scott Harrison <scott@**********.com> wrote:
> >
> > Personally I would say we should allow these types of
> > things, but since we live with the lowest common denominator we will
> > have to disallow them.
>
> My own opinion is that these sorts of questions bear serious
> consideration when -- and only when -- there's so much
> Shadowrun-related mail coming through the list that people have
> trouble managing it all.

Heh. Sorry, but I take my volunteer position as a list admin
seriously :) and will give serious consideration to every list
ettiquette question that is posed.

The topic of attachments doesn't have anything to do with the amount
of list traffic. It's an issue because some people use email programs
that don't handle attachments well, some people access their email
through a point where attachments are frowned on or forbidden, and for
some people it's a personal bandwidth issue.

OT posts are a list traffic issue but I hope you'll note that us
admins and GridSec aren't quashing those in light of the fact that
list traffic is so light right now :)

Ah, for the days when the Shadowrun rules had significant holes, were
prone to munchkinism, and FASA plotlines were full of immortal
elves... and that darn Dumpshock forum wasn't stealing all our traffic
;)

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-Graht
Message no. 15
From: marc.renouf@******.com (Renouf, Marc A.)
Subject: List Etiquette Question
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:47:24 -0500
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com
> [mailto:shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com] On Behalf Of Graht
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:13 PM
>
> On 3/27/06, Da Twink Daddy <DaTwinkDaddy@*****.com> wrote:
> > Are signed messages, like this, acceptable on the list?
>
> Well, Gmail didn't have a problem with it.
>
> Did anyone have a problem readying Twink Daddy's email?

I did, but I'm guessing that it's the stupid Outlook/Exchange
setup my company makes us use. Sometimes emssages from Scott Harrison
get flagged the same way.

Marc

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