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Message no. 1
From: G'Koth of the Narn Regime <esj@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: list.member.grumpy speaks
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:34:52 -0700
On Wed, 5 Apr 1995, Jani Fikouras wrote:
>
> Well that does it, I am fed up with this all mage-players are munchkins
> holier than thou attitude! I and other listmembers have given you every curtesy
> and tried to make it clear that no one here has any bias toward street samurai.
> And yet you insist on flaming everyone that does not share your hate of mages
> and making impossible remarks about things you obviously know nothing about.
> This list has always supported a very conservative attitude as far as
> magic is concerned, we have always tried to enforce the "disadvantages" of
> magic in order to make it more playable and not such a pain in the butt
> of the other players. But Mr. Join-The-List-And-Flame-Em Knowitall here
> always knows better.....
>

Okay Jani, chill. I've been following this thread and _I've_ seen no
real flaming until your post (and I should know about flames).

I must say that I begin to tire of this whole debate. Depending on your
individual game, your individual GM, your individual players, you will
get a very different bias, unique to each game.

On top of this, there is really no point to the current theme of this
arguement, and that is the apparent discussion of what is better, Magic
or Technology. I think we can all agree that each approach has it's own
distinct advantages and disadvatages. In any given situation, my bad-ass
combat mage may get his ass kicked by your ninja physical adept or by
your samurai sniper. And in other situations, my combat mage will take
your boys out without busting a sweat. The same holds true for
non-combat situations. My astral sneaking about is made worthless by
effective wards, which won't be stopped by the riggers stealth drones.
And so on and so forth. Neither magic nor technology is inherently better
over all.

Let me repeat that so you are all clear on it:

Neither magic nor technology is inherently better over all.

And to specifically address Mr. Ooton, I can understand why it might
appear there is a bias towards magic on this group. To paraphrase the
Aussie Guru, Mr. Milliken, it's because we already have a grip on
technology. Magic is strange to most of us (with the exception of those
who claim otherwise), and so we are most often confused by magic, it's
affects, and most fundamentally, it's rules as given by FASA. And
so, it does get discussed rather often. However, technology does get
it's fair share of the discussion time here. Hang around long enough
Mr. Ooton, and I think you'll clearly see this born out.

Now, I am asking as list.member.grumpy that this thread be brought to a
conclusion, over the next several days. People are making valid points,
and it is relevant to the list, but it is beginning to upset people
(Jani), some people like myself begin to be bored with it, and the same
things are starting to be repeated. So please, unless you have something
new to contribute, keep it to yourself, at least until the next time this
topic gets brought up.

In short, for those that don't like to read everything I write, wrap this
thing up over the next couple of days.

Erik, a.k.a. the Whistler
list.member.grumpy

"Weep for the future Na'Toth,
weep for us all."
Message no. 2
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: list.member.grumpy speaks
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:24:04 +0200
> Okay Jani, chill. I've been following this thread and _I've_ seen no
> real flaming until your post (and I should know about flames).

Yeah ya sure do :) Anyway I got hed up with Bob's patronising atitude,
hell he even said it outright "mage players=munchkins". Now I consider
myself to be a mage player and I sentenly take offence when called a
munchkin. And so do you if I recall correctly :)

> I must say that I begin to tire of this whole debate. Depending on your
> individual game, your individual GM, your individual players, you will
> get a very different bias, unique to each game.

I agree read my reply to Bob for the gory details.

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